Maggie (Idaho) on 01/15/2021
She had been coughing and though I tried many natural remedies, she ended up filled with fluid. Took her to the vet to get the fluid drained and from doing a lot of research, I already knew what was wrong. At first I didn't want to put her on any medication, kept hoping natural remedies would work, so decided to see how long before she filled with fluids again. It took a week and we were back at the vets to get her drained again. Decided to try the lowest dose of what the vet wanted to put her on so they gave her lasix and vetmedin, twice a day. The vet didn't think the lasix was going to work and she even asked me if I had planned ahead, meaning to put her down. She didn't mention other tests or keeping up with her because I think she felt there was no hope. I had her on the meds for about 4 months and then slowly weaned her off the lasix and she was fine. All the while, I still gave her natural supplements. After another couple of months, I noticed that even though she was still on the vetmedin, she was still coughing the same so I slowly weaned her off of that also.
I've tried some natural supplements mention on EC but decided they weren't right for my dog. She doesn't like to swallow pills so everything I give her has to be put in her food. She was eating cooked chicken and vegetables for years but now that she doesn't have many teeth and she's tired of the chicken, I've added canned dog food to her meals, which helps hide the supplements I give her. Since she's a small dog, weighing only 12#, I only give her a small amount of the supplements. I have a set of measuring spoons that measure a tad (1/4 tsp), a dash (1/8 tsp.), pinch (1/16 tsp.), a smidgen (1/32 tsp.) and that's what I use to measure what to give her and it works great. This is what she gets every day.
D-Ribose a pinch twice a day
Young At Heart 12 drops twice a day
Dr. Mercola curcumin a smidgen 3 times a day
Vitamin C (calcium ascorbate) a smidgen twice a day
VetriScience Cardio Strength 1 capsule a day, divided morning and evening
Mullein Leaf Extract 10 drops twice a day
Hawthorn Extract 6 drops twice a day
CBD oil 3 drops 4 times a day
As a diuretic, I give her one of these as I think she needs it
AC-Carbamide 1-2 capsules a day divided morning and evening
Dandelion leaf 1/8 tsp. twice a day
Green Tea 1/2 cup a day divided in her food. I give her this every day even if I give her dandelion or AC-Carbamide
When she coughs a lot I'll give her one of these
2 drops of liquid magnesium in a little water to help stop the cough, just once a day
Y.S. ECO BEE FARMS propolis extract honey paste about 1/8 tsp. with a little water to dissolve it
She still has coughing fits when she first wakes up and I know she's clearing her lungs so I don't give her anything for it. If she continues coughing for a while and it doesn't sound like anything is coming up, I'll give her something for the cough. The CBD oil seems to help with the cough also. I must say though that my dog is pretty smart. She likes the propolis/honey paste and I'm pretty sure that at times, she coughs just to get some. She will start to cough and cough and the minute I stand up and head towards the kitchen, the coughing stops. She still has plenty of energy and runs but then coughs afterward, loves to eat and is happy. The supplements I give her haven't healed her but they give her a good life.
Lauren (Las Vegas, NV) on 09/03/2019
She worked her magic and gave her CQ10 and a product called Lipoform. I added in Hawthorne berry. She lost weight and is a whole different dog now. I?ve even adopted the same protocol for myself with great success.
Bea (Az) on 06/06/2018
I am disabled and, for now, living on not enough money for basic expenses; so, although I am trying to find solutions, acupuncture or other expensive treatments are out of the question. (I am looking for work I can do at home, btw, so really trying! ).
I ordered a bottle of Standard Process Cardio-Plus, and gave it to both of my chi's (The younger one now has the same kind of dry cough the older one started with, years ago.) Both of their coughs have been reduced in frequency and, in the case of the elder, with the CHF, severity, since starting that. So, I have high hopes of finding alternative solutions that the vet does not know about. (I found out about the Cardio-Plus, myself, even though she sells some Standard Process. ! )
The only pharma she is on is Lasix. I missed one dose, as I had run out, and gave it to her about 3 hrs late. I did notice the cough getting wetter, during that time. So, it helps.
I am wondering if DMSO or any other alternative you know of might help. If I were to use the DMSO, where would I put it, how often? Should she take it orally? Etc.
Maureen (Il) on 02/03/2018
Maureen (Illinois) on 07/10/2017
D-Ribose is a natural sugar, sold in all health food stores. It has been shown in several human studies to increase cardiac contractility and prolong survival from heart failure in people. It is very inexpensive, and no side effects have been reported.
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Lisac107 (Port St. Lucie, Usa, Usa) on 11/01/2013
I started giving my dog Ubiquinol, about 15 mg, he is 14 lbs, is that the right dose?
I have been very busy with family issues, my Mom went in the hospital, I am driving back tomorrow, 18 hours straight and taking my dog with me. I want to get him on the right supplements and doses but don't have a vet to work with. The one I took him to says he is holistic but just gave me the Lasix which I am giving him 1/2 a pill either once or twice a day which helps but, I don't want it to deplete his minerals.
There is an "isolated mineral" supplement that is mentioned but not the manufacturer, could someone tell me which one to get, please?
I make him organic chicken broth and chicken, I add spinach and carrots to the broth, tried to feed him sweet potato but that didn't go over well.
I will try giving him the Cardio Support again but I stopped last time because two days into giving it to him, he was coughing bad when he hadn't before. I know they say a supplement shouldn't do that but if he is allergice to one thing in it, I don't know.
Also, what brand of Ubiquinol is best? I saw one from Swanson's that is water soluable.
I will be checking this board even when I am back in Ohio for a week.
Thank you in advance! Sincerely, Lisa
Katie (Northport, Ny) on 10/23/2013
If it were me, and my dog was faced with a serious heart condition such as congestive heart failure or mild congestive heart failure (such as fluid in the lungs, a racing heart, or fluids in the abdomen), I would probably do the following:
(1) Nutrition. Give my dog the Standard Process protocol which I outlined previously so I could get the correct nutrition into him. This will help to strengthen and rebuild his heart. Once the heart gets the right nutrition, it will shrink back to its normal size.
(2) Edema. If my dog was suffering from any kind of edema, I would do what it takes to get rid of the fluid so that he could breathe easy and lay down comfortably. I would either consult with a homeopath for remedies to clear the fluids and ask for further guidance on remedies which will further help his heart's function. There are many remedies indicated for this purpose such as Crataegus Q, Lycopus, Adonis Ver and a number of others, but they really should be prescribed by a professional homeopath to be truly effective.
(3) Or, if my dog had bad edema I might just give the Lasix to him temporarily or for the short term until I could find another safer long-term alternative that works for him - or until my phytonutrients and homeopathy kick in and my dog's heart gets stronger. Note that if you're giving Lasix long term there is a huge loss of magnesium and potassium, among other nutrients. So, if you have to keep your dog on this for a while you might want to think about giving extra magnesium to offset the loss from the body. The long term use of Lasix also puts a terrible strain on the kidneys and will affect them negatively in the long term too. And if you choose not to do the Standard Process protocol (which is what I currently give to my dog), I would suggest that you research the heart protocol that Dr. Stephen Sinatra recommends to his heart patients. Not only does he recommend magnesium, ubiquinol, carnitine and ribose to his patients, but he says that they need to be taken with other vitamins to "round out" his protocol. He also recommends a good multi-vitamin.
(3) Ubiquinol. I would definately give additional ubiquinol to my dog if he had a serious heart problem. However, I would not use regular coQ10 or ubiquinone. Patients with end-stage heart failure do not absorb these standard types of CoQ10, but they do absorb the ubiquinol formulation.
(4) Ribose. I would also give my dog ribose, because it is indicated for severe heart conditions and congestive heart failure.
(5) Magnesium. I think I would also probably give with magnesium to see if it is helpful to my dog's condition.
(6) Hawthorne. If my homeopath didn't recommend the Crataegus homeopathic remedy for my dog (which is made from the hawthorne berry), I would give my dog Hawthorne (the herb) as a supplement. This is supposedly a very effective cardiac herb. You should know, however, that if you're taking digitalis and hawthorne, that your vet will likely need to lower the amount of digitalis. The reason being that the hawthorne does the work of digitalis so effectively that less digitalis is needed. If the vet isn't aware that the patient is taking hawthorne along with the digitalis, the patient might actually be overmedicated.
(6) Once the serious heart condition improves, I would slowly wean my dog off any drugs he might be on with the help of my vet. I would then take him off any of the isolated supplements mentioned above once he's ready, with the exception of any prescribed homeopathic remedies, ubiquinol, hawthorne and (of course) the SP products.
Giovanni (Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, USA) on 04/05/2013
While only the prescribed Meds, she still did not want to eat and each meal was a fight to get the food down. She was coughing badly, she had little energy, and looked very frail.
One day I came home and walked in the door. Bella got overly excited to see me come home. She was wagging her tail doing her little dance and barking as usual and then suddenly she collapsed to floor. She started convulsing and howling. She was in distress, her gums turned white and she felt cold. I thought she was having a heart attack. I thought it was truly the end and that she was going to die in my arms that day.
I rushed her to the VET. Bella thankfully pulled through what I later found out was a fainting spell. The Vet told me that she would have maybe 6-12 months to live and that she might require full time oxygen treatments to make her more comfortable and not to let her get excited at all as sudden death was a possibility. I disconnected my door bell, I prevented her from playing with my other two dogs. I did everything to keep her clam but she still looked and felt miserable. I was not going to sit helplessly watching her deteriorate.
After many hours / days researching on internet, talking to Dr's, and other dog owners about what "works". About 2 months ago, I found "in my opinion", a course of treatment that has unquestionably worked for my dog. I am now really convinced that she can live a long "normal" life if I keep her on this course of treatment.
Bella has significantly more energy, and has not fainted since starting this treatment. On this treatment, her breathing rate has drastically improved and is now 16 BPM while resting, before while only on the MEDS it was averaging 30 BPM. Bella's coughing has almost completely stopped (about 95% improvement).
We started by changing her diet to only freshly prepared foods that we make at home. NO MORE STORE BOUGHT DOG FOODS OR TREATS AT ALL.
Bella is a very picky eater so we had to experiment with what she would and would not eat. Any type of brown rice, carets, celery, apples, parsley, cucumber, is a no go! She will refuse to even look at the food bowl if it's in there, no matter how well you think you may have disguised it.
We discovered she loves ground turkey, and boiled chicken breast (all no salt or very low sodium). We mix in a heaping tablespoon of baked (microwaved) sweet potato in the turkey or chicken along with a teaspoon of olive oil, and a tablespoon of Quaker Oats (the quick one minute oatmeal in the big can with zero sodium) add some warm water too to the mix and serve. We also make sure she has access to lots of fresh water at all times.
Fair warning, the products below are not inexpensive. My dog is like my child, so I will do what it takes to keep her healthy. I researched each supplement to make sure I felt I was giving her the absolute best quality and best "form" of that particular supplement.
Here is an example; In my research I found It is best to use Propionyl -L-carnitine to treat heart disease and not Acetyle-L-carnitine or L-carnitine. Check the link out http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/carnitine-l-000291.htm
Below is exactly what I give to my 10lb Shih Tzu. Please check with your VET before giving to your dog. I found the best prices are on Amazon for everything listed below.
My dog is still on conventional medication (Vetmedin, Benazepril, & Furosemide), we weaned her off of the Spironolactone, and I hope to soon be able to wean her off all of these meds soon. I'm just waiting for her next cardiologist appointment in 2 months. I'm hoping the Dr. Can see and measure her improvement with another ultrasound.
Let me tell you this combo in my opinion, WORKS as I have seen the night/day difference in my dog. She now has the energy to play and run again. The best part is I have my dog back greeting me once again at the front door getting overly excited doing her dance and barking. Day by day she seems to continue to improve. It may not work for your dog but certainly is worth a try.
Suji (Cochin, Kerala, India) on 10/01/2012
My dog has been diagnosed with weak heart beat and fluid retention. When we tried lasilactone he got too exhausted. I started him on homeopathy, he already gets magnesium, I have bought the l-carnitine from NOW and ubiquinol, scared to start and scared to not start, please I need your help and advise. He is 9 years old, spitz, has been on magnesium and enalapril 2.5 1/2 tab twice a day for over a year now. Please help.
Deborah (Chino Valley, Az) on 01/23/2012
In September of 2011, our sweet dog Mocha began having something akin to night screams/seizures. In the middle of the night, normally between 1 - 3am, he would wake from sleep with a horrific scream, then go immediately into a seizure. In all of our years with him he had never shown anything like this. His seizure would then last 7 -8 minutes. It was a terrible scene to witness and watch him endure. It happened again a month later, and as we began the process of veterinary visits, tests, etc. and were coming up with no answers. The veterinarian said these were not epileptic seizures, but he did not know what they were or where they were coming from. From his model of medicine he only had Phenobarbital to offer as a means to get control of the seizures. Although we took the advice at the time, my family and I all felt this was still an undiagnosed condition and the Pheno would at best offer us some time to get things figured out. We had to bring these episodes to a halt as soon as possible as each episode seemed to erode his overall health. We were watching our beloved pup drift away from us with each episode.
As we began our research, I started online with researching 'dog screams'. Although the veterinarian said perhaps this was a dream, or anxiety, he didn't feel the dog was in pain at the time of his episodes. We wholeheartedly disagreed. Although Mocha may not have felt pain during the actual seizure, the scream occurred just before and was absolutely horrifying. It was CLEAR that he was in wrenching pain before falling into a seizure. I was amazed to find online assorted threads of pet owner conversations on the topic of dog screams... Most of which indeed were followed by seizure activity, involuntary defecation, etc. In almost each case, the dogs in question were small dog breeds, just like Mocha. Also in each case, the owner knew the dog had a diagnosed heart murmur, as we did with Mocha.
Following this thread, I started to research heart remedies for dogs. Some were specific to murmurs, others were more generalized and in each small dog case, there was also an issue with keeping blood sugar balanced. We began putting together a small grouping of supplements to put Mocha on based on the information we were finding online.
At the same time that we were doing this research, we were giving Mocha the Phenobarbital. He had a terrible time adapting to it. Aside from being basically unconscious 90 minutes after the dose for approximately 9 hours, he was starting to urinate excessively and also to pant exactly 90 minutes after each dose. Sometimes the panting was excessive and frightening. We brought all of these topics up to the veterinarian who said that small dogs tend to adapt the least to this medication, and that whatever adaptation was going to happen would happen within the first two weeks. We were a month into it at this point and becoming very concerned. In addition, it was not stopping entirely his concerning episodes. We had his blood tested to see if he was at 'therapeutic levels' of the Phenobarbital and he was not. The veterinarian wanted us to go up in dose, but our instincts told us 'no'. This dog was losing quality of life on the dose he was already on, and we felt certain that increasing his dose would decrease his life expectancy and quality of remaining life. We decided at that point to trust our instincts and begin tending specifically to his heart.
I am happy to report that since we began adding in his natural heart and blood sugar supports, there have been no screaming/seizure episodes (6 weeks now). This is SIGNIFICANT, as Mocha had gotten to the point where he was screaming/seizing several times per day before beginning his holistic treatment. We have also decreased his Phenobarbital very slowly and safely and this, also, has improved his overall health and vitality. At this point we know we are substantially below 'therapeutic levels' and that the medication is doing next to nothing for him. We are taking him off slowly simply to be safe and gentle with is system. He should be off it entirely over the next week.
I am sharing this information because I know there are others out there who may have dogs with heart murmurs, small dogs, screaming/seizure dogs and the like. I was amazed at how frequent this problem presents based on what I found online, and yet could find NONE of this information via veterinarians or veterinary sites. It all came from pet owners who have had to research and address the issues themselves based on what others were doing. Thank goodness for sites like this one... I truly have no idea what Mocha's future would have been without them.
As for what supplements we have found which address his issues:
Hearty Heart (liquid drops) from Pet Wellbeing: Dosage is determined by pet's weight. This product has been developed by holistic veterinarians and veterinary herbalists. It is absolutely fantastic and useful for dogs and cats. Our 14 year-old cat has Cardiomyopathy and this has helped him so very much as well. Can't recommend it highly enough.
L-Carnitine (liquid) from Pet's Choice Pharmaceuticals: An essential amino acid designed to assist both the heart and blood sugar levels. Very helpful in healing the heart after functional disturbances and preventing future problems. Especially recommended for small breeds. Dosage determined by pet's weight.
FortiFlora (powder) from Purina Veterinary Diets: Probiotic supplement with beneficial strains of good bacteria designed to balance the digestive system and strengthen immunity. Excellent for blood sugar issues, allergies, skin and coat issues, etc. Mocha has been on this for years, as he has a long history of highly reactive/allergic skin, itching, blood sugar issues, etc. As a 12 lb dog, we give Mocha half a packet twice per day with his meals.
Magnesium mixed with Vitamin C: Both of these nutrients are excellent for the heart and safe for dogs. We buy tablets and then powder them together in our mortar and pestle. This allows us to sprinkle them onto his food. Again because Mocha is small, he only get 2 pinches of this mixture once per day. The ratio of his Magnesium to Vitamin C is 2:1. The dose, ratio, form of the nutrient may be specific dog to dog but there is helpful information online about dosing them.
Ubiqinone (CoQ10): An important antioxidant which helps with energy and heart function. It is potent so again, read up on dosage for your pet or consult with a holistic veterinarian. For Mocha, he only takes 1 drop from a 30mg capsule. Any more than that is too much, but we notice a difference when he doesn't have it at all.
D-Ribose: This is a metabolic sugar which is found within the body, but can also be supplemented. It is excellent for the heart, for recovery of the heart and for energy production... Of of which Mocha needed. Because of his small size he only takes 200 - 300 mg day. This product can be found in most healthfood stores.
So there you are. I hope you find this information helpful if you are searching for help for your dog. Most important lessons we have learned from the experince are 1) trust your instincts and 2) do your homework. If something doesn't sound right to you in terms of diagnosis, treatment, etc. , or if you simply feel you have not gotten sufficient answers, trust your instincts. There is an abundance of information available on the web today and tho, yes, sometimes that can be misleading, when you read over and over from owners about what works/doesn't work, TRUST it. In our case we were not able to get any answers from the veterinary community (in person or online) and ALL of Mocha's help came from dog owners like you. And, do your homework... Research what is going on with your pet, what others are doing for the same issues, safe dosage amounts, etc. Take charge of what is going on, have confidence in yourself and your instincts and take one step at a time. Don't wait passively for answers and don't continue with anything that just feels wrong or is causing clear harm... Even if that information comes from the medical community. They, like us, are all still learning but sometimes the life of a patient (human or animal) can't wait and you must strike out on your own. Work closely with professionals when and how you can, but don't linger with anyone who isn't providing help or cooperating with your desire to work holistically. Put your pet and his/her life first.
Good luck to you and I hope some little puppy dog and his family out there can be helped just like we have been. We are tremendously grateful to have been steered by others to the help Mocha needed and are enjoying seeing our sweet pup return to us in every way.
Deborah, Mocha and family....
Pad (Berwick, Pa) on 08/12/2010
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