Replied by Art from California on 08/01/2022

Just a thought, DaveB,

Perhaps you can stop the HP for a week or 2 to see if your energy level rebounds. That would be a quick and easy way to see if the HP is the cause for your 24/7 energy decline. If your energy rebounds, you may have to give more thought to the dose of HP you are using.

Although HP has shown the potential to increase the oxygen levels in the body, it is first a potent oxidant until the body neutralizes it through exposure to the potent antioxidant Catalase, and an oxidant in a high enough amount can do damage to normal cells until it is neutralized. If your body's Catalase production and utilization process is perturbed in any way or overloaded, it may not be able to neutralize the additional HP in a timely manner, thus allowing the oxidant activity of HP to flourish for too long, allowing more cellular damage than would normally be expected and the tiredness you are experiencing.

Art

Replied by DaveB from Essex. UK on 08/01/2022

Thanks for your reply, Art, It does make sense. At the back of my mind, I have had a thought that for me at least I may need to take it slower and reduce the amount of drops but first will give it a break as you suggest to confirm it. DaveB

Replied by Art from California on 08/01/2022

DaveB,

Thank you for the reply. I think your information will be useful for the EC community in general including its visitors as many are testing or using HP for various reasons. Your feedback will be invaluable to many, so I hope you take the time and update us with your progress.

On a related note, if you determine the cause of your tiredness is related to your intake of HP after taking a break from the HP and you still want to take HP at higher dose, there are one or two adjunctive supplements you can consider at that time that may allow use of HP with increase in availability of Catalase to help deter the tiredness you are experiencing. It is hard to be more specific as I am not aware of the reason you are taking oral HP in the first place.

Art

Replied by DaveB from Essex. UK on 08/04/2022

Art,

Hi again, just to update you & others how things have been going.

I ceased taking HP drops after our posts 3 days ago, as the tiredness was getting overwhelming and within a day of stopping, I was just about back to my old self, so there is little doubt in my mind that it was the HP or to be more precise the increased level of HP.

I didn't notice anything until I started taking 15 drops 3 x daily and each successive day I upped the drops, I felt more & more tired to the point at 20 drops I felt like a zombie.

I am no stranger to HP as I have used it for several years on and off in the form of nebulizing, initially as a response to catching pneumonia in Thailand in late 2019 & spending a 8 days in hospital in the UK as a result.

My oximeter readings are always hovering between 97 & 98, not bad for a guy in their late 60s.

Never have I experienced this tiredness or any other side effect from using HP in this fashion. I guess it's just down to the amount I used, although one other thought that crossed my mind is that I am quite a small person, and maybe the concentration in my bloodstream could be significantly higher per dose than with a person of much larger build, just a thought?

I was not taking this for anything specific other than trying to achieve an optimum level of health.

I do take a fairly comprehensive regime of supplements ect, Vit C 4000mg daily, Lugols, magnesium, R-ALA, selenium, borax, B vits + many others now & again.

I have the idea my way forward is to do more nebulizing ang a lower level of HP drops (the amount I have not decided on yet).

I would be interested to hear your suggestions Art for supplements to assist with the levels of Catalase.

Note: For UK residents, 35% food grade HP is not available, 12% food grade is, and that is what I used, you just have to use 3x more drops so all the above drop amounts are x3.

Dave

Replied by Art from California on 08/04/2022

DaveB,

I'll just get directly to the point. Ask yourself this question :

At any time after starting HP therapy, did I feel noticeably better or did a preexisting health condition improve?

If your answer is yes, you need to know the dose that it occurred at or just before the improvement occurred.

If your answer is no, why would you want to pursue this specific form of HP therapy if it shows you no benefit? You pretty much already know the dose where things start to head south.

You seem to find benefit in nebulizing HP on occasion and perhaps this is where your efforts are best focused when needed.

As far as a couple of supplements that are capable of increasing catalase and other of the bodies potent antioxidants, N Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) and R Alpha Lipoic Acid (r-ALA) should do that, but perhaps your body is telling you that it does not need additional HP to operate efficiently as your energy rebounded quickly once you stopped HP therapy?

Just a thought, but maybe you need to take inventory to determine what if any health deficits you actually have and make a plan to deal with these specifically.

Art

Replied by Duh from Floriduh on 12/20/2023

The lack of energy is part of the herxheimer reaction. You are killing off all the bs in you body. You need to detox the endotoxins created by parasitic cell death. Lots of spirulina and activated charcoal supps on empty stomach.. AC supps should be far apart when you take supps or food ...it will absorb the spirulina and anything you take into your body.