How often should we apply treatment, why does she still itch so bad, how can we treat ring around eyes which is spreading to rest of face and any other words of advice? Thanks.
Posted By Theresa
(Mpls., Mn) on 01/02/2016
Theresa
The wonderful Theresa from Minneapolis, MN has been helping pet owners and their beloved pets around the world on Earth Clinic since 2013.
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Theresa from Minneapolis was born and raised in the inner city, always wishing she had been raised on a farm.
Her love for creatures great and small began at an early age, starting with caterpillars - which continues to this day, along with an interest in all insects and 'creepy crawlies'.
Theresa's interest in pet health started with a bird keeping hobby at age 14, where she learned from another hobbyist that the simple addition of Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) in a bird's drinking water kept fungal infections away; she was able to share this with her avian vet who in turn prescribed it to her own clients; Theresa was surprised to learn that she could teach her vet a thing or two. This important lesson - that each of us can be a teacher - was a turning point for Theresa, and fueled her quest for the knowledge held in lore, and remedies passed by word of mouth. That quest for knowledge continues to this day, as new and old remedies alike are explored. She may not have experience with a particular issue, but she will research it to the best of her ability and share what she finds freely, in the hopes that you can heal or improve your pet's health.
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"Hello Karen,
I read your post and a few things stick out to me; you seem to be hitting this demodex mange with everything you have and no improvement: what you are missing in this equation is TIME. It takes time for this condition to resolve - it will not go away after hitting it with the mange remedy 3 times in 1 week - you are looking at 12 weeks of treatment using the mange remedy alone.
The 'goggles' around the eyes sound like demodex; the intense itching does NOT. It sounds like you may have a few things going on here, some of which may require a trip back to the vet.
First things first: you believe you are dealing with demodex [after negative skin scrapings]; you do not mention if your girl is spayed, but the stress of puberty can bring on a demodex outbreak. Do not spay your girl immediately - but consider it AFTER she is healed from this crisis.
Diet is critical - are you feeding top shelf groceries? Read the ingredients on the dog food bag and if you see corn or grains in the first 10 you need to switch to a meat based diet as the food you are feeding will contribute to the health of the skin.
Consider alkalizing your dog's drinking water with baking soda. This can work wonders and is simple and cheap.
As for the mange remedy, mix it up as recommended and dip every other day for the first week [sounds like you did this already] and then every 2-3 days for the next 2 weeks; again you are looking at a run of 12 weeks of treatment.
The red spots that are very itchy sound like they could be a skin infection /secondary bacterial skin infection. If this were my dog I would not hesitate to see the vet for a prescription of antibiotics to treat the staph infection - and I would also dose a *short* course of steroids to deal with the itching - this to give your dog immediate relief and to start the healing. If you are opposed to antibiotics and steroids you could try Ted's Anti-fungal/Anti-staph remedy for the skin infection, along with yucca in the food for the inflammation, and also turmeric too for the inflammation and also for its antimicrobial properties.
Topical application of coconut oil mixed with calendula and also lavender oil may help to sooth the skin. Additional dietary supplements of evening primrose oil, coconut oil or omega rich fish oil may also help the skin.
I would also consider the environment; is there something that your dog is coming into contact with that may be causing an allergic reaction/hives? Things like new carpeting, change of laundry detergent or cleaning products may cause red bumps, along with use of spot on topical flea treatments.
Please keep in mind that healing takes time, and that there are no over night fixes. Please report back."
Posted By Diamond (Ma.) on 01/03/2016
"If we are to try & treat our animals naturally I wouldn't suggest giving any one much less my pet/s anitbiotics or steroids they weaken the immune system big time. I use natural probiotics... My dog is very old and very slow at healing so it's taking me a lot of time to care for her, the vet stated that what is outside is also inside/ it stands to reason, so I use probiotics which are the very best, I gave my dog grapefruit seed extract & an hour later Olive leaf extract (or just Olive leaf with GSE) When my dog came into the living-room she bent down as to go to the bath-room & a huge white mass came out of her. I was happy to find these probiotics actually do work wonders.I found it easier to buy capsules & empty them into their food, I also changed from dog food over to people food such as rice & veggies a few days then another few days on good old fashioned Oatmeal with veggies also the best high in vits. is pumpkin I use the can stuff with other veggies.This is a hard task because I am not well but I love my pets, this dog is eighty years old in peoples age.Imagine that? She is the very best pet ever. I cleaned my Papillion but he didn't seem to be affected at all.I also found another site that uses diatomaceous for mange...which I just so happen to have. Because my very older dog is Still digging holes in her skin after four treatments already.I just need to find if I would mix any thing else with this product.Thank You...."Posted By Diamond (Ma.) on 01/03/2016
"If we are to try & treat our animals naturally I wouldn't suggest giving any one much less my pet/s anitbiotics or steroids they weaken the immune system big time. I use natural probiotics... My dog is very old and very slow at healing so it's taking me a lot of time to care for her, the vet stated that what is outside is also inside/ it stands to reason, so I use probiotics which are the very best, I gave my dog grapefruit seed extract & an hour later Olive leaf extract (or just Olive leaf with GSE) When my dog came into the living-room she bent down as to go to the bath-room & a huge white mass came out of her. I was happy to find these probiotics actually do work wonders.I found it easier to buy capsules & empty them into their food, I also changed from dog food over to people food such as rice & veggies a few days then another few days on good old fashioned Oatmeal with veggies also the best high in vits. is pumpkin I use the can stuff with other veggies.This is a hard task because I am not well but I love my pets, this dog is eighty years old in peoples age.Imagine that? She is the very best pet ever. I cleaned my Papillion but he didn't seem to be affected at all.I also found another site that uses diatomaceous for mange...which I just so happen to have. Because my very older dog is Still digging holes in her skin after four treatments already.I just need to find if I would mix any thing else with this product.
Also, did any one know or hear that Mange in dogs... people can get as well? but peoples mange is called Scabies, only to keep people confused.I just thought I would share Thank You..."
Posted By Karen (Athens Greece ) on 01/03/2016
"Firstly thank you Theresa for getting back to me.
She has not been spayed, waiting for this to clear up first. I believe vaccinations lowered immune system, vet recommended diet of home cooked turkey and boiled potatoes for 2 months to reduce allergy like symptoms made immune system worse. Had a cortizone injection to reduce side effects of 3rd booster shots and then a course of steriods for rash that ensued. This gave her a very bad yeast infection even in her mouth. Mites love yeast and subsequently multiplied leaving her covered in what appears to be very itchy red bites and severe hairloss all over.
We give her now royal canin hypoallergenic food plus little extra turkey or salmon for extra protein, Sesame oil, convalescing dog multi vitamins, omega 3, spirulina, echinacea, 1 teaspoon bicarbonate of soda and 1 tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in morning water, very little fresh garlic in lunch. We are also spraying one side of body with apple cider vinegar and water and the other rubbing down with coconut oil to see which helps with itching best.
I think she is probably allergic to the mite bites.
After teds rinse she goes bright red and still itches. Each bath we loose more n more hair.
We have removed all carpets and its winter here! Wash bedding with extra mild baby soap and spray with teds everyday and in her bed n furniture. Brush coat to increase blood circulation everyday and she looses tons of dead skin.
Can we use ted's rinse everyday in beginning? Am I using correct amount of soda? Tell me more about turmeric - dosage please.
We r impatient because we have been on the top from the first day we got her but got wrong advice because of negative scrappings - 3 - which is normal apparently. Next step biopsy and invermectum which we hate the sounds of.
She seems to be getting so much worse. I can supply extra photos. What can we do to cure eyes n face and now its spreading to her tail since we started with teds formula.
I greatly appreciate any feedback . Its consuming our every waking moment - and Kirra's.
Thank you"
Posted By Karen (Athens Greece ) on 01/03/2016
"It is recommended to add borax to drinking water. Is this safe? And do u highly recommend it, if so how much?"Posted By Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 01/04/2016
Theresa
The wonderful Theresa from Minneapolis, MN has been helping pet owners and their beloved pets around the world on Earth Clinic since 2013.
About Theresa
Theresa from Minneapolis was born and raised in the inner city, always wishing she had been raised on a farm.
Her love for creatures great and small began at an early age, starting with caterpillars - which continues to this day, along with an interest in all insects and 'creepy crawlies'.
Theresa's interest in pet health started with a bird keeping hobby at age 14, where she learned from another hobbyist that the simple addition of Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) in a bird's drinking water kept fungal infections away; she was able to share this with her avian vet who in turn prescribed it to her own clients; Theresa was surprised to learn that she could teach her vet a thing or two. This important lesson - that each of us can be a teacher - was a turning point for Theresa, and fueled her quest for the knowledge held in lore, and remedies passed by word of mouth. That quest for knowledge continues to this day, as new and old remedies alike are explored. She may not have experience with a particular issue, but she will research it to the best of her ability and share what she finds freely, in the hopes that you can heal or improve your pet's health.
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If you would like to thank Theresa for her helpful posts, she asks if you would please consider making a donation to one of her favorite local rescue organizations, or by making a donation to help the genius contributor, Ted from Bangkok, recover from his stroke.
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"Posted by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 12/12/2014
The borax dose is the same regardless of the weight of dogs. In the end small dogs drink less than large dogs. The only difference is the sex of dogs which the female dog requires half the dosages male dogs.
So a female dog is always 1/8 teaspoon per liter dose. And male dogs is 1/4 teaspoon per liter water. Weight is irrelevant.
Timing:
Borax dosage for 1 week. Then 1/2 dosage in week 2. Stop for 1 week. Resume.
or
Borax dosage for 4 days, then no borax/water for 3 to 4 days. Continue on/off schedule until ailment clears.
Some reduce the dosage depending on weight of dog to prevent side effects but just know that beneficial effects will also take more time to see results when you reduce the dose.
This is most common dosages, just use common sense. Yes borax can be use for many unexplained conditions of dogs and human for simple reason that most unexplained conditions that cannot be cured with bacteria in majority of cases is fungus or parasites which borax does well but also is essential nutrient for the bones and hormones in mammals.
This modified dosaging has already explained long ago but that posting has been forgotten. Yeast infection and fungus and molds is also treated with borax. But there are other remedies but they not easy to find. Ted"
Posted By Theresa (Mpls., Mn) on 01/04/2016
Theresa
The wonderful Theresa from Minneapolis, MN has been helping pet owners and their beloved pets around the world on Earth Clinic since 2013.
About Theresa
Theresa from Minneapolis was born and raised in the inner city, always wishing she had been raised on a farm.
Her love for creatures great and small began at an early age, starting with caterpillars - which continues to this day, along with an interest in all insects and 'creepy crawlies'.
Theresa's interest in pet health started with a bird keeping hobby at age 14, where she learned from another hobbyist that the simple addition of Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) in a bird's drinking water kept fungal infections away; she was able to share this with her avian vet who in turn prescribed it to her own clients; Theresa was surprised to learn that she could teach her vet a thing or two. This important lesson - that each of us can be a teacher - was a turning point for Theresa, and fueled her quest for the knowledge held in lore, and remedies passed by word of mouth. That quest for knowledge continues to this day, as new and old remedies alike are explored. She may not have experience with a particular issue, but she will research it to the best of her ability and share what she finds freely, in the hopes that you can heal or improve your pet's health.
-----------------------------
How To Show Theresa Your Appreciation
If you would like to thank Theresa for her helpful posts, she asks if you would please consider making a donation to one of her favorite local rescue organizations, or by making a donation to help the genius contributor, Ted from Bangkok, recover from his stroke.
http://www.piperslegacy.org/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Get-Bobo-home/1409993732632080?sk=timeline&ref=page_internal
http://ted.earthclinic.com
"Hello Karen,
Are you *sure* you are dealing with demodex? It sounds like allergies from my end of the keyboard. Have you had any positive skin scrapings for demodex? Certainly in a normal dog in order to find demodex you would have to put the dog in a blender and the look for demodex after spinning everything in the centrifuge - but in an afflicted dog - from the photo you provided - you would expect to find all manner of mites, dead ones included, without the need of a blender.
Demodex mites do not bite -they eat skin flakes/skin oils/yeasts. When they die their dissolving bodies in the hair follicle DO cause irritation - and typically symptoms get worse before they get better.
You can do Ted's dip every other day; I don't see a need to do it every day, and you have already given a few dips so at this point you should have interrupted the demodex mite life cycle: IMHO dipping every day at this point will only cause the skin to dry out further.
The red bumps sound like hives to me. You had your girl on a chicken and potato diet -this during an apparent systemic yeast infection. The yeast sure loved the potatoes, that is clear. You can do Ted's Borax Protocol for dogs to combat the systemic yeast. 1 tablespoon baking soda to 1 liter water, right?
The current diet you are feeding is rice and soy with chicken fat. If this were my dog I would consider a home made diet using a different protien - beef or lamb or pork even as long as it is a pure source - anything but chicken/poultry [because she got worse on this diet], mixed with rice, oats or barley even. If you know a good chiropractor you might try AK -applied kinnesiology - and test potential diets or foods to see if they are compatible with your girl.
Additional immune booster would be colostrum - from the health food store. 1/2 tsp turmeric in the food helps with inflammation and has antimicrobial properties; consider yucca drops and querceten for inflammation as well.
Topical neem oil, along with diluted lavender essential oil is something to consider. You might consider bathing on alternate days in an oatmeal and lavender shampoo.
I have resisted using Ivermectin in demodex cases because I have breeding animals, however in the case of non-breeding animals I would not hesitate to use Ivermectin in a case such as yours; I would not, however use Mitaban/Amitraz.
Please keep us posted!"
Posted By Karen (Greece ) on 01/05/2016
"Theresa,
Thanks again for feedback. Will add turmeric as know it is great for many ailments. After extensive research found animal dermatologist specialising in mange who will be in athens on 14th. Will do biopsy. I agree we will use invermectum and not the other chemicals you mentioned if necessary.
I will definitely keep you updated. Thanks for all your help and concern. Karen"
Posted By Ada (Nj) on 01/16/2016
"I have been dealing with sarcoptic mange in my boston terriers for 6 weeks. I have now made your mixture and followed your protocol. I have soaked my dogs down and I want to know if i can continue this everyday until I see the improvement?"Posted By Jacqueline (Qld) on 01/18/2016
"Hi thank you for the wonderful advice.
My beautiful Wolfhound Basil has been very distressed with his Mange. We start your treatment today. :)
Another thing we have found very helpful is raw natural honey, my daughter has bees so we have unprocessed unheated fresh honey.
This morning he was furiously licking the sores on his legs and feet while frantically scratching his armpits.
I applied honey to the affected areas and instantly he is a different dog, No licking nibbling or scratching, albeit a little sticky :)
It seems to be effective for about 4-6 hours
Thank you once again
Jacqueline"
Posted By Jessbcause (Seattle, Wa) on 03/03/2016
"Karen - Don't lose hope! Our dog had the worst case of mange, it was untreated for like 3 years, antibiotics barely doing anything... we treated him, first 2 months were bad, but we noticed a lot of the itching stopped, but not all of it... he then lost all his hair and then looked terrible (they start to look worse before better! , also super lethargic! )
Then weeks go by, slowly growing hair back... now he looks amazing but not grown all the hair back, but majority! No more scabs! Just keep at it and sooth his or her skin with coconut oil when dry. Maybe get a cone for his head to stop licking and biting. God bless, I hope your dog gets better!"
Posted By Norma (Minnesota) on 04/19/2016
"Hello, everyone!
Our (my husband and my) sweet dog has been diagnosed with sarcoptic mange. We adopted our loving dog 6 weeks ago. Mistakenly, allergies were thought to be the reason for his itching before we brought him home to live with us. We can tell from his medical records that a scraping had been done when he was newly housed at the shelter and the test result came back negative.
When he came home with us, his itching and scratching increased. We took him to the vet with sores from scratching. A scraping was done as well as allergy tests. A week later we learned the scraping was positive. Ivermectin was prescribed, and with us not knowing better, we administered it. NEVER again!! The worst side effects imaginable. The allergy tests came back positive in many areas.
We will be shopping today for the ingredients to try the Borax-Peroxide-Water bath. We are in the process of building a separate, enclosed room (8'x8'x6') in the garage because our home was invaded by the mites. We, too, have been treated by our physician.
Questions that I have are:
How do you handle the outside environment so he doesn't get reinfected? That is his playground and where he goes to the bathroom.
How do we get rid of them from our garage? (It is heated in the winter; temperate in spring and fall; cool in summer.) When we take care of him to feed him, visit him [I'll read a book to be with him and to keep him company], play with him, clean his kennel and bedding, etc., we are swarmed with these mites. I've never encountered anything like this.
I dress from head-to-toe when going to see our dog, and still I can feel them crawling on my face and in my hair, which is covered.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. We are trying hard but are exhausted."
Posted By Bea (Usa) on 09/01/2016
"Regarding the sores; my dog has had a worsening case of demodex for about 2 years. I hold off the symptoms with baths and topicals, but to avoid getting the red, open sores, I have to actually pull out whatever fur happens to be very loose, at any given time. Mostly, he looks normal, although when I've recently pulled the loose fur out of an area, it can look paler than adjacent areas, until the darker hairs grow back. It is rare that all of the hair in an area comes out, even when it seems to come out in clumps. Enough hair remains to cover his skin, except when I have neglected to pull the fur soon enough, and it has developed a sore underneath. I noticed very late in the game that his paws, between the pads, were very infected - meaning the hair practically leapt off when I pulled it, and there was a lot of the waxy substance on it. In a few spots, when the fur came up, it exposed a raw spot which had to be treated. But, as I said, this is rare, since I keep on top of it. I also found that the fur under his chin had become loose; and when I pulled it, there was a raw spot there. Now, that area has been cleaned up. I had to spend quite a lot of time giving him a "pedicure" on all paws; but, as I don't want to use dangerous pesticides, the time spent on avoiding the sores is worth it, to allow us to find the right protocol to get rid of it. I did try the peroxide/borax, to no avail. Next, I'm trying the mustard/msm; I just made a batch and tried it on myself, first, to be sure it's not too irritating. So far, we've had the best luck with a mix of micronized peroxide/sulfur shampoo and various topicals (apple cider vinegar, lavender oil, neem oil, etc. Today, I'm going to add aloe gel to the mix, after the mustard rinse has been on and then washed off). When we do get a sore, I spray it with a 20% ethanol solution (Everclear is ethanol; it's not toxic the way rubbing alcohol is, so it's safer), and put neem oil on it. It clears up."Posted By Anastasia (Baltimore) on 08/16/2026
"Hi! What did you do for your pups mange? I saw she / he was a really bad case."
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