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Re: Dog Coughing And Panting After Taking VRM2

Posted By June (Pa.) on 03/20/2014

"I gave my cocker spaniel her first dose of vrm2-sm, 1/2 capsule, in less then half an hour she started coughing and panting worse then ever, is this a normal reaction maybe that it`s working? Thank you for any feed back."
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Posted By Theresa Donate (Mpls., Mn) on 03/21/2014

Theresa

The wonderful Theresa from Minneapolis, MN has been helping pet owners and their beloved pets around the world on Earth Clinic since 2013.

About Theresa

Theresa from Minneapolis was born and raised in the inner city, always wishing she had been raised on a farm.

Her love for creatures great and small began at an early age, starting with caterpillars - which continues to this day, along with an interest in all insects and 'creepy crawlies'.

Theresa's interest in pet health started with a bird keeping hobby at age 14, where she learned from another hobbyist that the simple addition of Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) in a bird's drinking water kept fungal infections away; she was able to share this with her avian vet who in turn prescribed it to her own clients; Theresa was surprised to learn that she could teach her vet a thing or two. This important lesson - that each of us can be a teacher - was a turning point for Theresa, and  fueled  her quest for the knowledge held in lore,  and remedies passed by word of mouth. That quest for knowledge continues to this day, as new and old remedies alike are explored. She may not have experience with a particular issue, but she will research it to the best of her ability and share what she finds freely, in the hopes that you can heal or improve your pet's health.

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"Hey June!

Sorry to hear about your dog's heartworm infection :-(

Please read up on heartworm as you continue treating your dog:

http://www.homesforpets.org/heartworm_aftercare.pdf

https://www.google.com/#q=what+happens+during+heartworm+treatment

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=610

http://www.heartwormsociety.org/pet-owner-resources/canine-heartworm.html

When you treat for heartworm, what you are actually doing is killing the worms in the heart and the microfilaria in the bloodstream. When the adult worms in the heart die, they break into pieces and they only place they can go is downstream, into the lungs where they eventually get absorbed. The coughing and panting is the result of the worms dying and getting 'filtered out' of the bloodstream by the lungs. The coughing [most likely] is from the build up of the dead worms in the lung tissue that have yet to be absorbed, and the panting [most likely] is from the pain or discomfort from this process.

Dogs undergoing heartworm treatment should be kept as calm as possible and strict crate rest is generally prescribed. This treatment is long term - you will NOT see immediate improvement as it takes time for the worms to die off. Again, please read up on how to best support your dog during the treatment phase.

Please let us know how it goes!"

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Posted By June (Pa.) on 03/21/2014

"Thank you Theresa from pls, so much for the feed back on the vrm. I had no idea what to expect after treatment. I just lost my buddy Lady (cocker Spaniel) of 16 years a month ago, still recovering from her loss, so when Lacey came up sick, it worries me to death, I surely don`t want to loose her to.We just got her card today reminding me she is due for her check up.The vet. is aware of her cough, I gave her a tsp. of honey and she finally stopped coughing and is resting very well.i will continue with the vrm2-sm as it seems to be a miracle treatment, i`m sooo glad I found this site. Thank you again for caring."
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Posted By Deb (Greensboro, Nc) on 07/30/2014

"Hi, I can't get my dog to eat food with VRM2 on it. Any suggestions?"
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Posted By TheresaDonate (Mpls., Mn) on 07/30/2014

Theresa

The wonderful Theresa from Minneapolis, MN has been helping pet owners and their beloved pets around the world on Earth Clinic since 2013.

About Theresa

Theresa from Minneapolis was born and raised in the inner city, always wishing she had been raised on a farm.

Her love for creatures great and small began at an early age, starting with caterpillars - which continues to this day, along with an interest in all insects and 'creepy crawlies'.

Theresa's interest in pet health started with a bird keeping hobby at age 14, where she learned from another hobbyist that the simple addition of Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) in a bird's drinking water kept fungal infections away; she was able to share this with her avian vet who in turn prescribed it to her own clients; Theresa was surprised to learn that she could teach her vet a thing or two. This important lesson - that each of us can be a teacher - was a turning point for Theresa, and  fueled  her quest for the knowledge held in lore,  and remedies passed by word of mouth. That quest for knowledge continues to this day, as new and old remedies alike are explored. She may not have experience with a particular issue, but she will research it to the best of her ability and share what she finds freely, in the hopes that you can heal or improve your pet's health.

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How To Show Theresa Your Appreciation

If you would like to thank Theresa for her helpful posts, she asks if you would please consider making a donation to one of her favorite local rescue organizations, or by making a donation to help the genius contributor, Ted from Bangkok, recover from his stroke.  

http://www.piperslegacy.org/

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Get-Bobo-home/1409993732632080?sk=timeline&ref=page_internal

http://ted.earthclinic.com

"Hey Deb!

If you are using the capsules and need to split a capsule, you can buy empty gel caps at the drugstore; pour the powder into a gel cap and then wrap in cheese or some other soft tasty food - see if that will work. If you are using the liquid you can put the liquid in a gel cap as well and dose hidden in cheese or other soft food."

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Posted By Courtney (Dyersburg, Tn) on 03/10/2015

"Hi everyone,

So I started the VRM2 on my beloved 6 year old Dobie last night. I am giving this a try. I was told she has heartworms and has a cough when she moves about a lot. How long should it take for the cough to start improving? She is 55 lbs so how what mg and dose of garlic should I be giving her. Also I got the CoQ10 as recommended and how much of that should I give her. It is 100 mg. I will keep everyone updated on how well it works for my friend. Also the the vet told me that she had done the snap test and that it indicated a hot case of them and recommended we would have to do the slow kill, 3 dose treatment on her. So that is what we are dealing with.

Thanks and everyone please pray that this works for my Dobie. I want her to feel better and get back to normal."

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Posted By Bonnie (Bandera , Texas) on 03/13/2015

"Can someone please tell me how long it takes black walnut wormwood complex to work? I gave it to him about 30 minutes ago and haven't seen anything. Thank You"
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Posted By TheresaDonate (Mpls., Mn) on 03/13/2015

Theresa

The wonderful Theresa from Minneapolis, MN has been helping pet owners and their beloved pets around the world on Earth Clinic since 2013.

About Theresa

Theresa from Minneapolis was born and raised in the inner city, always wishing she had been raised on a farm.

Her love for creatures great and small began at an early age, starting with caterpillars - which continues to this day, along with an interest in all insects and 'creepy crawlies'.

Theresa's interest in pet health started with a bird keeping hobby at age 14, where she learned from another hobbyist that the simple addition of Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) in a bird's drinking water kept fungal infections away; she was able to share this with her avian vet who in turn prescribed it to her own clients; Theresa was surprised to learn that she could teach her vet a thing or two. This important lesson - that each of us can be a teacher - was a turning point for Theresa, and  fueled  her quest for the knowledge held in lore,  and remedies passed by word of mouth. That quest for knowledge continues to this day, as new and old remedies alike are explored. She may not have experience with a particular issue, but she will research it to the best of her ability and share what she finds freely, in the hopes that you can heal or improve your pet's health.

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How To Show Theresa Your Appreciation

If you would like to thank Theresa for her helpful posts, she asks if you would please consider making a donation to one of her favorite local rescue organizations, or by making a donation to help the genius contributor, Ted from Bangkok, recover from his stroke.  

http://www.piperslegacy.org/

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Get-Bobo-home/1409993732632080?sk=timeline&ref=page_internal

http://ted.earthclinic.com

"Hey Bonnie!

I have no direct experience with this remedy so can only speak from the experiences I have read about on EC or researched.

The black walnut begins to work immediately, albeit it may be slowly. This is a good thing, as a rapid die off of heartworms can be deadly. Your dog should be on strict crate rest with minimal exercise. The wormwood causes the heartworms to die, and they in turn must be filtered from the blood; the lungs end up serving as part of this filtering system which can lead to difficulty breathing - so again no exercise. Recovery time depends on the severity of the infection, and your dog's ability to process the worms out of his blood.

Please google 'heartworm treatment aftercare' to study up on the road ahead of you.

Good luck!"

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Posted By Gbear (Martinez, Ca) on 03/15/2015

"Check "wolfcreekranch1.tripod(dot)com" for great natural remedies. Dose with daily diatomaceous earth for maintenance. Good for humans also."
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Posted By Bonnie (Bamdera, Tx ) on 03/16/2015

"Thank you, Theresa... I don't know if I'm giving him enough, I'm a bit nervous.... I have just about everything y'all mentioned here...

Saying prayers."

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Posted By Kelley Hudson (Texas) on 04/07/2015

"I've been doing garlic, black walnut hull, and wormwood. The coughing stopped but my dog won't eat and is extremly thin. What should I do?He is still breathing heavy."
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Posted By Blake (Texas) on 04/30/2015

"I am about to start my lab mix on VRM2 and I really need to know what would be the dosage (he is 53 lbs ) and how much excercise can he have while on this medicine?"
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Posted By TheresaDonate (Mpls., Mn) on 05/02/2015

Theresa

The wonderful Theresa from Minneapolis, MN has been helping pet owners and their beloved pets around the world on Earth Clinic since 2013.

About Theresa

Theresa from Minneapolis was born and raised in the inner city, always wishing she had been raised on a farm.

Her love for creatures great and small began at an early age, starting with caterpillars - which continues to this day, along with an interest in all insects and 'creepy crawlies'.

Theresa's interest in pet health started with a bird keeping hobby at age 14, where she learned from another hobbyist that the simple addition of Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) in a bird's drinking water kept fungal infections away; she was able to share this with her avian vet who in turn prescribed it to her own clients; Theresa was surprised to learn that she could teach her vet a thing or two. This important lesson - that each of us can be a teacher - was a turning point for Theresa, and  fueled  her quest for the knowledge held in lore,  and remedies passed by word of mouth. That quest for knowledge continues to this day, as new and old remedies alike are explored. She may not have experience with a particular issue, but she will research it to the best of her ability and share what she finds freely, in the hopes that you can heal or improve your pet's health.

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How To Show Theresa Your Appreciation

If you would like to thank Theresa for her helpful posts, she asks if you would please consider making a donation to one of her favorite local rescue organizations, or by making a donation to help the genius contributor, Ted from Bangkok, recover from his stroke.  

http://www.piperslegacy.org/

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Get-Bobo-home/1409993732632080?sk=timeline&ref=page_internal

http://ted.earthclinic.com

"Hey Blake!

Please consult your vendor for VRM2 for dosage - and please report back as to what the maker of this product advises.

Typically dogs undergoing heartworm treatment are advised to take NO exercise and instead to observe strict crate rest, going outside to potty - and then right back to the crate."

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Posted By Jaquie (Houton, Tx) on 06/01/2015

"Long Post

My 8 year old Pitt was diagnosed with Heartworms close to 9 months back. The doctor found nothing else 'wrong' with her despite the reason for the visit being persistent/constant coughing and vomiting, ergo a pretty definite diagnosis of "Heartworms".He placed her on Heartguard and not only explained the procedure of, but quoted the price for, the 'normal' treatment plan for Heartworms, which was the same as seen on thousands of internet articles, Invermectin shots in two intervals.My dog steadily worsened and we took her back to the same vet 7 times. Each time he charged us for the visit and prescribed steroids, worm medicine, more Heartguard, etc and said we needed to run more (expensive) tests. We explained we did not have the money for the tests he wanted us to pay for and asked that he please just treat her for what we KNOW she has: Heartworms. (In retrospect, had we originally done the tests it would have turned out to be less expensive than all these visits). For the last few visits he has just sent her home as if nothing is wrong. Despite her actually being progressively worse (heavier coughing, panting and continued vomiting).Today she was 'leaking' from her vulva which I believe to be a uterine infection, and panting like mad. We took her to the same vet (I am disabled and have mobility problems) and got the SAME answer. He wants to run tests and more tests. He REFUSES to treat her for what we know she has: Heartworms and my dog has spent months being clearly, utterly distressed and in my opinion will die soon because of the negligence of this veterinarian.Upon getting home I looked everywhere for a bottle of Black Walnut and Wormwood complex I knew I had somewhere and gave her something like a dropper-full with hamburger meat. She is 50 lbs though and I really do not know the dosage, so if anyone can help, I'd be grateful. Also, it has been asked before here but no one seems to reply ... which makes me feel a little sick. What is the success rate of this treatment please?

Thank you."

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Posted By TheresaDonate (Mpls., Mn) on 06/02/2015

Theresa

The wonderful Theresa from Minneapolis, MN has been helping pet owners and their beloved pets around the world on Earth Clinic since 2013.

About Theresa

Theresa from Minneapolis was born and raised in the inner city, always wishing she had been raised on a farm.

Her love for creatures great and small began at an early age, starting with caterpillars - which continues to this day, along with an interest in all insects and 'creepy crawlies'.

Theresa's interest in pet health started with a bird keeping hobby at age 14, where she learned from another hobbyist that the simple addition of Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) in a bird's drinking water kept fungal infections away; she was able to share this with her avian vet who in turn prescribed it to her own clients; Theresa was surprised to learn that she could teach her vet a thing or two. This important lesson - that each of us can be a teacher - was a turning point for Theresa, and  fueled  her quest for the knowledge held in lore,  and remedies passed by word of mouth. That quest for knowledge continues to this day, as new and old remedies alike are explored. She may not have experience with a particular issue, but she will research it to the best of her ability and share what she finds freely, in the hopes that you can heal or improve your pet's health.

-----------------------------

How To Show Theresa Your Appreciation

If you would like to thank Theresa for her helpful posts, she asks if you would please consider making a donation to one of her favorite local rescue organizations, or by making a donation to help the genius contributor, Ted from Bangkok, recover from his stroke.  

http://www.piperslegacy.org/

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Get-Bobo-home/1409993732632080?sk=timeline&ref=page_internal

http://ted.earthclinic.com

"Hey Jaquie!

There are many who report success in treating HW+ dogs at home. Some success stories are posted on EC, some can be found with a google search. The key is time and patience, to provide internal cleansing and organ support and to drastically limit exercise. It took many months for your dog to get sick and it will take months for a slow recovery; no quick fixes with HW.

I have to wonder if you cannot locate another vet if you do not agree with this first vet. I do agree with your vet that tests really *are* needed for a correct diagnosis; did you do a snap test to confirm the heartworm, or was it diagnosed based on physical symptoms because you could not afford the $50.00 HW test? The discharge from the vulva is a great concern and could be an open pyometra which is a veterinary emergency. Have you tried to take your dog's temperature to see if she is running a fever? I agree your dog will die soon without the much needed veterinary care, but I debate that the vet has been negligent: your vet is running a business with over head and not a charity -that is fact for any vet, and diagnostic tests are the first line of defense to provide accurate treatment and to avoid a medical malpractice lawsuit. YOU are her owner - if you cannot afford proper medical care please work with rescue groups or obtain a pet medical credit account or see if your vet will work with you to help you afford the care your dog so desperately needs."

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Posted By Mars (Texas) on 07/22/2015

"Hello Jackie I am very concerned with the symptoms of your pup. Discharge from the vulva is symptomatic of pyometra and is indeed a veterenary emergency. Is she spayed? She may pass away of septic shock if not treated immediately. Pyometra required immediate care. Please update."
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Posted By Gina (Tx) on 01/05/2016

"Hi all- my neighbor's dog just tested postive for heartworms so I have been scrolling thru this thread. I probably need to put my dog on a preventative and will go with the artemisia daily for the first week of the month-- plus add back the garlic in her food. she already gets cayenne in her food. and I will get some coq10 for her.

What I'm really writing about though is the mixup over dosages. things that kill parasites kill parasites, at least intestinal-- for instance the wormer (fluvermal) dosage for a cat is the same as for a human. I am thinking that against heartworms it works the same way-- except of course that heartworms don't come out in poop. so if your dog is heavily infected and you give a large dose (thinking that a large dose is for a large dog) the kill-off can be dangerous to the lungs-- the dosage I believe should be calculated primarily on the degree of infestation- the heavier the infestation the milder the dose. the health, age and size of dog are important secondary considerations. does this make sense to anyone else?
gina"

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Posted By Deba (Houston, TX) on 08/27/2025

"Great point Gina. What is the correct dosage for large to medium sized dogs?"
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