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Sadie (Gwent, Uk) on 02/06/2013

Bill, Please help. After nearly four years and multiple food allergies my four year old son has been diagnosed with leaky gut. Please can you advise of a suitable protocol for him. We are already on an anti candida diet and bone broth. His diagnosis came after I took him to naturopath whose testing confirmed what I by now suspected. Please can you help.

Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 02/06/2013

Hi Sadie... The best thing you can do for your young son is to watch his diet -- absolutely no sugar, no fatty foods or junk foods, no sweets, no wheat and keep dairy to a minimum. The whole protocol(for adults) and anti-candida diet guidelines are shown at this link and the diet should be strictly followed.

Also the following protocol will help to kill off the candida:

* Vitamin C (Ascorbate powder form). Give him 500 mgs(1/8 tsp) three times a day together in water with 4 drops of SSKI (Saturated Solution of Potassium Iodide) at mealtimes. You can add this all together as a fresh drink for him. You can also use Nascent Iodine instead of SSKI if you prefer.

* Pau D'Arco capsules. This will also help to kill the candida. Take the recommended child dose on the bottle.

* Add 5 drops of Magnesium Oil to a glass of water for him to drink every day. This will help his leaky gut problem.

*Take boron tablets bought from a health store and take the recommended child dosage. Boron or borax is a wonderful fungal killer.

* Buy some sodium bicarbonate tablets from the chemist and give him one tablet(500 mgs approx) three times a day outside mealtimes with water. This will help to alkalize his intestines and body and will also help to kill off the candida.

* Taking a half tspn to one teaspoon of castor oil mixed 50/50 with coconut oil every day will also help to kill off the candida in his gut.

* Your son should also take a full range of vitamins and mineral nutrients every day to help raise his own immune system back to a healthy state again.

* Use an Iodine-based mouthwash like Betadine to get rid of any candida in the mouth.

There is also likely to be a die-off period when you suddenly kill such a large amount of candida and this tends to accentuate the candida symptoms for a while and is completely normal. But if the die-off becomes too severe you may have to reduce and/or vary the dosages for your son.

Replied By Ed2010 (Oakville, Canada) on 02/07/2013

Before what to give, you should consider what to stop.

* Stop using microwave for heating foods. If you eat foods heated with microwave it is like eating tiny atomic bombs.
* No MSG, Dye, colors, preservatives.
* To rejuvenate the intestine drink green juices: Wheat Grass Juice, Cabbage Juice, Carrot Juice (Excellent Healer for intestine).
* Red Miso Soup - Provides amino acids to rebuild the intestine.
* Vitamin C Supplements starting from 1gm/day - 2 gm/day.
* Vitamin B-complex
* Bone Broth.

The aboves will slowly rejuvenate the intestines. There are thousands of remedies. Judge the best for the body.

Good Health.

Replied By Sadie (Gwent, Gwent, UK) on 02/07/2013

Thank you so much

We cut out all processed foods months ago and have been dairy, soya, egg, corn, sugar, fruit, nightshade free as well. His diet is very restricted because the leaky gut has caused so many allergies. I started bone broth two weeks ago and will slowly start the rest. We are also wheat, cereal grain free also. Bill I have faith your protocol will work. Will curing the leaky gut resolve the allergy issues?

Can I give magnesium baths to him or do I wait and start the recovery protocol recommended by bill

Thank you so much to you both

Replied By Sadie (Gwent) on 02/12/2013

Thank you for your previous advice, Bill, for my son. Which vitamins and minerals should I place him on in addition to your previous recommendations. He is on bone broth and I have started vitamin c and will start lugols, sodium bicarbonate soon and the magnesium. I am waiting for the boron and pau Darco. I am just a little anxious as naturopath said no die off as its leaky gut but having read everything here there must be something in his intestine.

I have not been able to find boron tablets with a child dose, is there anything else I can use for my son instead? I am worried my eighteen month old may have candida issue, he is still breastfed as was my eldest and I have started the anti candida diet but am wary of trying too many remedies as I am still breastfeeding. Is it safe for me to? I will start slow and use some of the remedies as a starting point. Is it ok to build up slowly or do I need to use all at once?

Thank you in advance and sorry for all my questions. I have nowhere else to turn.

Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 02/13/2013

Hi Sadie... Regarding child dosages -- if you are unsure then this is the way to calculate them.

My calculations are based on an average adult weight of 150 lbs. Say your child weighs 30 lbs. So, for example, to calculate a safe dose of nutrient for a 250 mg adult dose of magnesium gluconate for a child, here is the calculation:

30/150 X 250 (adult dose) = 50 mgs (child dose)

Regarding your worries over borax, the adult dose recommended on this site is between 500mgs(1/8 tspn) and 1000 mgs(1/4 tspn) per day in water. The boron capsules that you have bought from the health store will only have a per pill boron or borax content of between 3 mgs and 6 mgs -- so there's one heck of a difference between them. Add to this that the MSDS toxicity of boron is very nearly the same toxicity as for ordinary table salt and so I don't think you have much to worry about.

I also think that your health fears on breast feeding baby are unfounded. It makes complete sense to take nutrients while breast feeding your child - these nutrients are bound to make your baby healthier. Another essential aspect of breast feeding your own child is that the mother helps to protect the child by transferring elements of her own immune system via the milk into the child. This fact helps to train the baby's immune system and thereby protect the baby against illness. As well, I regard proper amounts of iodine in mother's milk absolutely essential for the baby's protection. This transfer of iodine from the mother to the child via breast milk is alsoknown, from research, to help proper brain development in the child. Research has also discovered that higher amounts of iodine in mother's milk has a direct and positive relationship with the eventual intelligence outcome of the child when it reaches adulthood.

For leaky gut - I would give your son glutamine (amino acid), fulvic/humic acid(aka shilajit) and aloe vera oil. I actually prefer using the fresh gel from the actual leaf of aloe vera but this can be difficult to get. This is a fairly strong protocol that should help to heal your son's intestines. The rest of the candida protocol that I have given you should work to stop the pathogens causing the leaky gut problem in the first place.

The nutrients (adult dosages) that I advise are shown here (from my anti-candida protocol):

Additional Support with Vitamin and Mineral Supplements (Optional)
* Vitamin C - Taken in the more alkaline form of Sodium Ascorbate -- at least 1000 mgs three times a day. Vit C is an anti-oxidant and also chelates heavy metals from the body as well.

* Magnesium -- Taken as Mag Chloride, Mag Citrate or Mag Gluconate. Dosage: 250 mgs twice a day. Magnesium Oil (40% water 60% magnesium chloride) cab also be used transdermally. Magnesium is involved in over 300 major enzyme and coenzyme body processes and also gets rid of any staph or strep bacteria quite well. Magnesium Chloride is the best form of magnesium to take in my opinion. See this link: http://curezone.com/art/...D=49&db=5&C0=74

* Take at least 2 tablespoons of Virgin Coconut Oil(VCO) per day with meals to help constipation and intestinal issues. VCO contains mainly medium chain saturated acids, very protective for the intestines, liver and blood. Contains lauric acid, caproic acid, capric acid, caprylic acid and myristic acid -- these act as anti-microbials helping to destroy the candida as well as protecting the intestines from any further external microbial invasion. I don't use vegetable oils anymore, I cook only with VCO now.

* Zinc gluconate or zinc acetate - Helps to support the immune system. 25mgs - 50mgs taken for one week, then take this dose once a week thereafter.

* Natural Sea Salt or Fulvic/Humic Acid. Both of these will act in the same way as absorption synergists as well as helping to create a healthy intestine and help to supply other important and much needed micro-minerals to your body. See these links:
https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/sea_salt.html
https://www.earthclinic.com/supplements/fulvic_acid.html

* Selenium - 200 mcg twice a day at mealtimes. Selenium helps remove mercury and supports the liver and thyroid. There is no need to take this dose if you are also already taking the recommended liver support(which includes selenium).

* Vitamin B3 - as niacin or niacinamide. Dosage: 500 mgs twice a day. Be aware of the "niacin flush" effect if you take the niacin form. Niacin is anti-candida and supports the liver, digestion and is relaxing for the body.

* Take B50 Complex three times a week - this is beneficial for digestion and will also help fight candida. It also acts synergistically when higher dose B3 is also supplemented.

Replied By Sadia (Gwent) on 02/15/2013

Thank You so much Bill, I have a lot to learn but am willing. I was just worried about potential detox symptoms whilst breastfeeding but I have started the remedies slowly as I dont want my second child to suffer as my first. It seems as if my eldest's leaky gut developed after a bout of gasteroenteritis - his only bout. Despite my best efforts genetics also has a role to play but I am confident with your protocol he will recover.

I am having trouble finding the fulvic/humic acid - the health store hadn't even heard of it! I will do my best to try and track it down. I have the glutamine powder and will convert to child dose.

Thank you for your help and God bless you.

Replied By Sadie (Gwent) on 02/20/2013

Sorry to bother you again Bill, but I just want to double check the dosage for the Iodine - I have started him off slowly and we are at two drops a day (split dose). Is it 4 drops per vitamin c ascorbate solution a day (overall 12 for the day) that we need to work up to as this seems a lot.

He has come out with a cough and slight rash (I am starting all dosages slow and waiting to introduce other remedies eg pau d arco a little later). Is the cough likely detox?

Thank you.

Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 02/22/2013

Hi Sadie... Just to be clear -- use no more than 4 drops of lugols iodine per day as four separate one drop doses with vitamin c. You could perhaps give your son up to 6 drops of LI but no more than that per day.

Kids are always catching colds etc -- I don't think this is caused by anything in the remedies advised. But because of the candida -- his immune system will be low. The rash might be due to bromine detox caused by taking the LI -- which detoxes bromide from cells and puts it into the blood. So if the liver is too stressed and cant handle excreting the bromine then the skin tries to excrete it and thats what can cause the rash.

The solution to the rash problems involves taking sea salt every day which helps to get rid of the bromine quickly.

See these links:

Bromide Dominance in the Body

Bromine Detox -- Symptoms and Strategies

Replied By Satie (Gwent) on 02/26/2013

Thank you, Bill. We have done just over a week of your protocol but have been on the anti-candida diet for months. In the first week he developed a rash a temperature and huge amounts of mucous which he is struggling to expel. I had to use a liquid fulvic/humic supplement recommended on this site in the end. It's too early to say as his is a bad case but am hopeful as it will take time.

I am wondering should he be put on digestive enzymes and betaine as I am retreading all your previous posts or can I just stick to your recommended protocol for him. It's a challenge to get everything in him but I don't want to miss anything so double checking. I am hoping to start probiotics next week as his good bacteria levels came back very low Thank you again.

Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 02/26/2013

Hi Sadie... I usually recommend the betaine, protease enzymes, sea salt and sodium bicarbonate remedy for people who either have GERD issues or for people who are losing weight too rapidly(insufficient digestion and insufficient nutrient absorption in the intestines.).

There are two main ways that infections can arise in the intestines -- either after a physical trauma like gastroenteritis(like your son had) -- and if your doctor also gave your son antibiotics for gastroenteritis then this will further act to kill all the beneficial bacteria in his gut and would also encourage the upward spread of both candida and other pathogens from his lower intestines. Use of anti-biotics is still the major cause of dysbiosis and the main cause of problems like candida and leaky gut syndrome.

The other way that intestinal infections occur is if the stomach acid is to weak. Bacteria and other pathogens then have free reign to pass into the upper intestines with the food without being first destroyed by the strong stomach acid. This outcome will also encourage the spread of candida and other pathogens in the intestines and throughout the body.

I see no reason why your son should not use the betaine/protease enzyme protocol -- this protocol will act to improve his digestion as well as act to kill all pathogens incoming with his food. This protocol will also stop the spread of candida and other pathogens into the stomach and esophageal regions.

If you still have trouble curing your sons leaky gut and candida then there may be several reasons for this. Candida, as well as other pathogens, can hide and can protect themselves from immune system or nutrient attack by hiding in biofilms in the mucus lining of the gut. The other reason is that mycoplasma -- a fungal-like bacteria -- can also be involved with leaky gut problems. Mycoplasma are hard to kill. Borax is a strong anti-fungal that also kills mycoplasma. Borax also has surfactant properties that disrupts biofilms which helps to more fully expose pathogens in the gut. So you should perhaps reconsider using borax if this is the case. Borax is the ultimate anti-fungal.

Replied By Baldev (Mumbai, Maharashtra, India) on 02/27/2013

Hi Bill, My question is on Borax, when it is recommended 1/4 teaspoon for men and 1/8 teaspoon for women with 1/4 teaspoon of sea salt in one litre of water to be consumed during the day for candida. Borax being highly alkaline, is it correct to be advised that this water be drank two hrs. before the meal and one hour after the meal or outside the meal time? I expect your advice soon. Thanks

Baldev

Replied By Sadie (Gwent) on 02/27/2013

Thank you, Bill. I will think about the borax-child dose being 100mg a day in water.

Lab results revealed high level of the e choli and klebsiella and low levels good bacteria. The rest was clear so am not sure. I will have to consider the borax if no improvement, just too much for him to take all vitamins etc at the moment. There is family history of low b12 levels and he has just developed slight dark circles under eyes so am bit worried. My doctors are not much help as physically and emotionally he presents very well and not atypical leaky gut candidate.

Thank you.

Replied By Ed2010 (Oakville, Canada) on 02/27/2013

Once the gut infection is cured, vitamin B12 production will be normalized. I am following your thread. Good Health

Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines ) on 02/28/2013

Hi Baldev... Yes, you should really take borax water, as you say, outside mealtimes because of its alkalinity -- I always take it this way. The borax water dosage is used to kill fungus and helps arthritis.

You can also combine and mix in smaller amounts of borax into Ted's sodium bicarb and water or lemon/lime and SB alkalizing remedies and take the borax like that.

Another way to take borax is illustrated by the research of Dr Rex Newham, an Australian researcher, who discovered that borax, when taken in 60 mg dose every day, cured his own severe arthritis in only a few months -- because arthritis is usually associated with mycoplasma infection and, as you probably know, borax kills mycoplasma.

Walter Last also has much praise for Borax:

The Borax Conspiracy

Unfortunately, health shops still sell boron (same as borax) in only 3 mgs to 6 mgs per pill dosages according to the standard RDA. Such a low dosage won't kill much fungus and will have a very slow beneficial effect -- if any -- on arthritis.

Replied By Sadie (Gwent) on 02/28/2013

Thank you Bill and Ed. I have been reading as much as I can about borax and have ordered some in powder form. I have read the info from bill via the link he provided but bit confused. For my son do I make the concentrated solution of one teaspoon per Litre of water and then use 1/8th teaspoon of this concentrate in 100ml of water for my son to drink once a day outside meal times? Help please. After what I have read I want to try this especially as he is struggling to get rid of excess mucous which I think Isis body detoxing. On a plus side the dark circles that suddenly appeared are nearly gone soi think something is working - I hope it is!

Onanother note I want to make yoghurt to add his probiotic - can anyone recommend a good one in powder form that is dairy free as its coconut milk yoghurt I want to make

Thank you all your help.

Replied By Sadie (Gwent) on 03/04/2013

I have ordered the Borax and found an old post from ted regarding dosages. Am a bit nervous as dont want him to experience bad die off. I tried low dose probiotic with homemade coconut milk yoghurt which early days seems to be helping. I was debating between using a high dose probiotic or trying Kefir - I will attempt to make this at home!

Any advice appreciated. I know its going to be a long journey and I wont be giving up but would appreciate any advice

Replied By Sadie (Gwent) on 03/14/2013

Just thought would give an update in case it's helpful to anyone else.

My son has been on Bill's protocol for a month now. The only omissions were pau d'arco -I did start him on them but it was too much with evrything else. The other omission was borax though he has had some doses I haven't been consistent again due to too many remedies. I will however be using this remedy in due course

Other things I did was homemade coconut milk for many months, cooked from scratch, bone broths, lots of fresh garlic, tumeric, ginger and onions in all his foods. More recently I added in homemade kefir (thank you for those who posted on EC about Kefir). There have been changes already. I think because we had been on the anti candida diet for months prior to the protocol it was easier although we still have a long way to go. Improvements with itchy scalp - he used to scratch his scalp every night in his sleep though there was nothing I could see, he used to have bad stomach cramps and skin breakouts on cheeks. Now there is hardly any scratching, he is sleeping so much better, his skin is improving. The biggest change came with the addition of kefir -coconut milk home made kefir. Within days of this addition the improvements came. He is tolerating more foods and we are making progress.

I want to thank Bill and everyone else who posts as much advice from EC helped me. We still have a long way to go but we are moving in the right direction.

Replied By Sadie (Gwent) on 03/20/2013

Bill, I have read your latest posts on humic/fulvic acid. I am using a liquid supplement with my son currently but want to try the powder form once that runs out. Is better to just purchase the humic acid and not a blend of humic and fulvic since you advise it's the humic acid that's of most use for the body. Also I order to remove any possible metals in the powder is it enough to use just the iodine as I do not have sodium thiosulphate and do not want to purchase unless really needed.

Lastly, you have helped me immensely in helping to heal my son's gut, I just wanted to check in terms of dosages can he remain on the vit c, iodine, magnesium, b vits and selenium etc etc once he is healed or should I reduce frequency once he is well. I give him two days off as recommended currently.

Thank you again

Replied By Sadie (Gwent) on 03/20/2013

Does anyone know of a remedy for salicylate allergy, I am treating my son's leaky gut but he is still reacting to foods containing high levels of these. Thank you.

Replied By Ellen (London ) on 03/21/2013

There is no supplement cure, look into NAET?

Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 03/21/2013

Hi Sadie... I don't think it matters what form of humic/fulvic acid you use. If you have bought just the organic fulvic acid liquid that's fine. I just object to paying ridiculous amounts of money for chemically standardized fulvic acid solutions. I don't like any form of chemical standardization(think Codex Alimentarius) and prefer to use the humic acid that comes directly from the Earth(I buy the garden form). By adding a little ordinary vinegar (2 tsps) to the HA/FA solution, the humic acid precipitates out(solution should be golden brown). It's the fulvic acid you want. Then I just add my daily dose of lugols iodine to it -- so the iodine will remove any fluorine, bromine, lead, mercury, cadmium, aluminium or arsenic from the fulvic solution and you can then drink it. But that's just the way I mainly do it.

I would completely agree with keeping your son on vit c, iodine, magnesium, b vits and selenium etc as maintenance. I know it can be bewildering what to supplement him with. Here are some further ideas for you which might help.

* I normaly take 4 dessicated liver tablets at mealtimes. Liver is hugely nutritious for the body -- every bit as nutritious as spirulina at a tenth the price. It contains all the amino acid proteins, Vitamins A, B, C, D, E & K (the liver stores lots of vitamins) and also has prime antioxidants enzymes like Glutathione, SOD, CoCQ10, Coenzyme A etc. You can buy dessicated liver at any health shop or weight training shop. They are big tablets -- so I just chew them to powder(a bit meaty!! ) and swish them down with water. I wouldn't start your son on dessicated liver tabs though until after he is cured of candida (liver is meat).

* Consider getting a hair analysis done on your son's hair(not expensive). Then you will know exactly what minerals he is lacking in his diet and you can adjust his supplements or diet accordingly. The hair analysis will also reveal what heavy metals and other poisons he may still have in excess in his body and if there is a problem then you will more adequately be able to focus on detox remedies that will get rid of any particular excess heavy metal or excess halide problem etc.

Replied By Sadie (Gwent) on 03/21/2013

Thank you Bill. I will switch to the natural form of the fulvic/humic acid once current supply finishes. I will look into getting a mineral analysis done. It's hard one as his stool sample was clear for Candida albicans but he clearly had a leaky gut. There have definitely been improvements but it will be a few months before I feel confident that recovery is on the way as it will take a few years to heal the damage I have been advised. Ism just happy with every step forward we take.

The liver tablets may be tricky but I was considering looking into organ organic meats as an interim measure. It's very hard trying to fit everything in and go about daily lliving thank you again

Replied By Pip (Nz) on 03/21/2013

In my experience with this problem, which my son had for the first three years of his life, the only thing to do is stay off those foods. There are plenty of lists online showing foods that are very high, high, moderate etc. My son could only eat the things that are very low. Believe me it was painful for both of us as I was breast feeding so had to do it too. You are not doing him any favors letting him eat those things if his body is reacting, he will be much happier off them. Hope this helps, probably not what you want to hear but unfortunately it's the only solution - believe me I spent a LOT of time online trying to overcome it. The one thing that helped in his case as he had severe reflux too was 1/4 teaspoon baking soda in a little water every night before bed. He has since thankfully grown out of both issues.

Replied By Sadie (Gwent) on 03/22/2013

Thank you Pip. He has been on low sals but I tried a higher sal veg and he reacted so am keeping him off them as there are alternatives as you said. Has your son been able to tolerate. It is tough as I am still breast feeding my second whose nearly two and am on a very restricted diet and it is hard.

Replied By Sadie (Gwent) on 03/27/2013

Bill, sorry to bother you again but my son has developed a runny nose for the last week. Could this be due to too much iodine? I am going to try the iodine painting but just wondering could his iodine levels be up to sufficient already after six or so weeks - I have been supplementing as recommended without fail. Thank you.

Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 03/28/2013

Hi Sadie... Lugol's Iodine, in excess, can certainly cause a runny nose. But there are many other factors that can also cause a runny nose as well. So, by all means reduce the LI dose for your son if you think that excess LI is the culprit. But if you stop giving him LI then you are removing one of the most important regimens from his protocol because LI kills such a wide spectrum of bacteria, viruses, fungus and molds very quickly. There is nothing else in your son's protocols that is as useful as LI for removing pathogens. Borax kills fungus but will not kill the the bacteria involved with Leaky Gut. As proof of this, here is a table that shows Contact to Kill Time statistics for just bacteria, fungus and mold for Povidone Iodine. Lugols Iodine has exactly the same pathogen kill properties as Povidone Iodine(but you can't supplement Povidone Iodine internally). Please have a look at the table at the bottom of this web article, within the research citations -- this table clearly demonstrates the outright effectiveness of LI versus a very wide range of pathogens:

Bring Back the Universal Nutrient Medicine

Also, I must also add here that there is nothing within modern medicine's vast drug arsenal that compares or even comes close to the efficacy(and safety) of lugol's iodine in terms of broad spectrum kill and speed of kill against pathogens. What's more, LI kills so fast that pathogens simply cannot "adjust" to LI -- because they simply don't have enough time.

As regards how long you should supplement lugols iodine before normal and healthy iodine levels in the whole body(not just the thyroid) are attained, here is a comment from Dr Schactner, who frequently uses LI iodine supplementation in his medical practice:

"...it takes about 3 months to become iodine sufficient while ingesting a dosage of 50 mg of iodine[8 drops of 5% LI per day] and a year to become iodine sufficient while ingesting a dosage of 12. 5 mg of iodine[2 drops of 5% LI per day] daily."

Source:http://drsircus.com/medicine/iodine/iodine-dosages

So, in terms of becoming iodine sufficient in the body, you have your answer -- the higher the dose, the quicker you become iodine sufficient. And it isn't as quick as you think -- especially if your are taking only a low daily dose.

It also helps if people would stop thinking of Iodine as only ever necessary for the thyroid. Iodine is also necessary and essential for proper immune system functioning, for proper bone development and brain development in the young, and is also the governor of all the other hormones of the body -- because every single cell and every single hormone receptor in the body(and I'm not just talking about thyroid receptors here) needs iodine. Iodine is found in every mucus gland in the body which represents the first line of defense versus extraneous and incoming pathogens to the body. All this has nothing to do with the thyroid gland. That's why the body needs 100 times more daily iodine than the thyroid. For me the current recommended RDA of 150 - 200 micrograms of iodine per day hardly even comes anywhere close to fulfilling the realistic per diem maintenance needs of the whole human body with iodine.

Replied By Sadie (Gwent) on 03/30/2013

Thank You Bill for your detailed response. I have not stopped the iodine and was going to continue as everything I have read previously on this site outlines its importance just as that article you referred me to. I think I was just worried about overdosing him on it. he is on the top dose recommended (6 drops) so I was wondering if his levels may be up quicker.

His skin is breaking out periodically which is probably the detox and I have been increasing his vitamin doses slowly - we are at the max for his age for everything except the B3 which I have been increasing slowly - he is nearly up to maximum. He is on a B complex as well as water and coconut milk kefir so I have hoping he is getting enough B 12 from all of those to aid his stomach acid since his secretory IgA was so low so I know I need to be patient (just hate him suffering though we have made a lot of progress). I am anxious about minimising the stress on his liver as there is significant history of liver cancer on my husbands side - many bereavements within the family at young age.

Thank you again.

Replied By Sadie (Manchester) on 04/22/2013

I am reporting to see if anyone can help. I am following Bill's protocol to heal my sons leaky gut. We are slowly making headway but he is still has major problems with phenols/salicylate a etc. he is on mag chloride but I read that issues with phenols can be linked to low levels of sulphate and can be resolved through use of Epsom salts.

My question is does anyone have any thoughts/advice and are the Epsom salts different to the mag chloride he is already on. Please help.

Replied By Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 04/22/2013

Yes, Sadie, Magnesium Chloride doesn't have sulfur, whereas Epsom Salts are Magnesium Sulfite, which has sulfur.

Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Phillipines) on 04/22/2013

Hi Sadie... If your son has salicylate sensitivity then dont use the Aloe vera or the Chanca piedra as they both contain salicylates.

Cat's Claw or Una de Gato is a highly useful amazon rainforest herb for the intestines which is very useful for healing leaky gut and other intestinal problems. Cat's Claw does not contain salicylates. Here is some Cat's Claw research. You should be able to buy the tea form or the powder capsule form of Cat's Claw in UK quite easily.

You can use the Epsom salts either in a bath or as a supplement but I would continue using the magnesium chloride because of its more widespread beneficial properties on the body.

Acetyl L-Cysteine, Alpha Lipoic Acid(ALA) and supplements like Glutathione also contain sulfur and are worth trying. Supplementing ALA, Acetyl cysteine and selenium also promotes the formation of glutathione and glutathione peroxidase in the the body. The Liver Support Protocol that I recommend in the anti-candida protocol uses these supplements anyway. Foods like garlic and onions also contain high amounts of sulfur as well.

Replied By Sadie (Manchester) on 04/23/2013

Thank you, Bill. I stopped the aloe after using twice as he reacted violently and I realised it was the salicylate. I will continue. With the mag chloride but will do the peso salt baths. He is on selenium already and the other vits recommended. I will get the others you recommended. He is improving but we are not getting further along re the salicylate and his diet is very restricted and I need to work to change this so will try whatever it takes.

Thank you again

Replied By Sadie (Manchester) on 04/28/2013

Bill I tried cats claw and ala and he had severe reaction to the ala, assuming the salicylate. His eyes swelled up and behaviour was terrible so he is super sensitive to ALA

Replied By Sadie (Manchester) on 05/12/2013

An update in case it helps others

nearly three months on Bill's protocol and huge improvements (I have done nearly everything recommended except for a few items either due to allergies/iintolerances. I recently added Epsom salts and I think it was the missing piece as my son is tolerating many more foods, sleep is hugely improved and although he was very bright anyway he is flying now. I cannot believe the change and its quick in comparison to the years of misery he endured. We have still a long way to go but I owe huge debt to Bill and others who gave me advice as well as other posters whose information was invaluable to me.

Replied By Sadie (Manchester) on 06/05/2013

Question for Bill or anyone else:

I had the hair analysis done and its clear except it indicates my son is low in caratenoids which is not a surprise given his issues with salicylates. He is improving and tolerance levels are better but I wondered of anyone had any suggestions in light of his results or is it a question of patience. Thank you.

Replied By Anthony (Philly , Pa) on 06/05/2013

Hi. Hope your son is better soon! I have proctitis. I had a hair analysis with analytical research labs and the results were way off but I felt they didn't test enough? I don't know? What company did you use? Thanks! Please let's share info; we may be able to help each other.

Replied By Sadie (Manchester) on 06/06/2013

I used bionetics online. As I am supplementing with quite high doses am not worried about test coming back clear as initially I had detailed stool and saliva test which confirmed the leaky gut, thanks to Bill improvements in three months have been huge. Question of time but hard waiting for healing but better than not at all.

Replied By Sadie (Manchester) on 05/05/2014

Update

Bill, many thanks to you and everyone else who advised but you in particular. We have followed your protocol over a year and continue to do so with dosages reduced. I am delighted to say in addition to your protocol, a rotation diet and raw milk. My son has improved greatly and continues to make strides so there is hope but you have to be determined and single minded as it is hard but there is no greater reward than a healthy child. Once again thank you

Replied By Kim (Ca) on 05/15/2016

Sadie,

Not sure if you're still on this thread but please look into Histamine Intolerance for your son. I was horribly ill as a youngster and I searched for years to figure out my health; Histamine Intolerance was a huge component and your son's health sounds all too familiar. Hope that is helpful!

Best Wishes to all of you.

Replied By Kitty (California) on 07/25/2016

Be careful with the bone broth if making it with chicken, which is very high in fluoride .... bad for leaky gut, thyroid and numerous other things.

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