Then my life seems dark and I was scared how my future is going to be.. Little later I started googling alternative things and got hope when I see earth clinic remedies. I read about chanca piedra and decided to use it. My question is that please, anyone tell me that my viral load is too high?? Is it posible to cure completely with chanca piedra? Is it possible to convert hbsag positive to negative?? And also clarify me on what is active carrier and inactive carrier? Is chanca piedra useful for inactive carriers? Thank you...
Replied By Maria (Gippsland, Australia) on 01/14/2012
Hi Vasan, If you go to https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/hepatitis-b.html#CP_69915 and look straight under your own post Bill has posted about Hep B and Chanca Piedra. The Ayurvedic herb Amla is also something that may be of help.
I also wonder if BHT would be of help for Hep B as it is for Hep C, maybe Oscar would have some idea. All the best.
Replied By Max (Commerce Township, Michigan) on 03/08/2012
Hi, I just converted Hbsag positive to negative. I could not believe it. My viral load was low. But my doctor said the same thing: you cannot do anything with it, just monitor. But I told him that I am going to fight. And I did. I experimented with both chanca piedra and salvia/ligustrum. When I drunk chanca piedra, my viral load went down to undetectable. But I stopped taking it, because I did not know how long I should take. After some time, my results went up a little bit, then I started taking salvia/ligustrum. And yesterday I saw my doctor who told me that my Hbsag is negative. He did not ask me what I am taking, but said that keep doing whatever I am doing. I also started taking Quercenol (a mix of vitamins, minerals and milk thistle). I am still taking salvia and quercenol hoping that I will become immune and my Hbsab will become positive. But salvia can be taken for 3 months and later you need to take a break.
Chanca piedra is better when you make a strong tea.
Replied By Va (Hyd, Ap) on 03/10/2012
Hi, you are so lucky that you have seroconverted. Can you share your HBVDNA level, Hbsag quantity, e antigen status so that I can have an idea of the regimen. ThanksReplied By Max (Commerce Township, Michigan) on 03/12/2012
My HbDNA was always very low, last couple of times, it was undetectable, but was still present. When I noticed that my DNA changes, goes up and down, I started paying more attention what I take and what I eat. First time, when it became undetectable, I was drinking chanca piedra tea. Couple times a day simmered about 15 minutes. I used dried herbs. Later I stopped and DNA went up a little bit. Two months before my tests, I started taking salvia/ligustrum. My doctor did not know what my results meant. I do not know either, I do not know if I am recovering and one day I will become immune to the virus. I am still taking salvia. When I am done, I will go back to chanca piedra. I also take astragalus. This herb raises our own interferon that is in our bodies. Astragalus is to build immunity.Replied By Emmanuel (Lagos, Nigeria) on 03/23/2012
Thanks you all for sharing this information, I will try to see how I can get the chanca piedra leaves here in nigeria. Thank you all very much for you assistance.Replied By Steve11269 (Bangkok, Thailand) on 04/21/2012
I've had hep b for almost 5 months. Chanca piedra (phyllanthus niruri) was about the only hope I had outside of Lamivudine which I despise because the virus can mutate. Chanca piedra killed the majority of the virus but it does have one side effect that I am careful of. It can lower blood pressure drastically over time. I usually take a spoon of salt for that and no problems. Just thought I would share my experience when making the tea from chanca piedra. I have learned that by letting the mixture sit overnight to cool, it becomes much stronger. I now am in the process of adding a lemon to the mix. I may also crush some star gooseberries and add as well. The star gooseberries are another type of phyllanthus (acidus). I just ordered the Salvia/Ligustrum tablets and hope fully I will be rid of this disease. Thanks to Max from Michigan :)Replied By Steve (Bangkok, Thailand) on 04/22/2012
I just thought I would expand on phyllanthus for anyone suffering from hep b in Thailand. I have been trying to find the Indian gooseberry (Makham Bum) in Thailand to no avail. Thailand does have the star goosberry (Mayum) and I thought I would share my experience. Before I was able to find Chanca Piedra, I tried the star gooseberry. It had the same effect as Chanca Piedra and believe it or not I found myself itching under my right rib after eating them for a few days. Plus no pain. My next goal will be to mix the 2 types of phyllanthus together and perhaps switch off with Salvia/Ligustrum tablets. Anybody know of any side effects? I also started taking coconut oil. Another question I have is how can I boost my immune system with food or supplements? I know Astragalus has been mentioned. I am looking forward to seeing some immunity results. In my overall opinion about hep b...... I believe that even in a chronic state, all hep b can be removed from the host if multiple forms of treatment are enforced. I believe the key is to never focus on only one form of supplementation thus bypassing the adaptability of the virus. By the way, has anyone had any experience with neem? I have read about doctors in India providing a new dialysis technique combining both the amla (gooseberry) and neem together with some astounding results :)Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 04/22/2012
Hi Steve... I feel that I must congratulate you -- your thinking and stragegy against Hep B couldn't be better. It is always much better to use a multi-strategy against a dangerous pathogen like the hep B virurs because, as you so rightly point out, these pathogens are so clever at adapting and hiding.
The best strategy embeds the following principles:
* Herbs that directly attack and remove the virus.
* Supply the body/organ with large amounts of anti-oxidants to help clear the virus/toxins and to also help repair the damaged organ.
* Creating a healthier body terrain and stronger immune system and therefore creating a bad environment for the virus.
The phyllathus plant that you mentioned is Phyllanthus emblica or Emblica officinalis -- Indian Gooseberry. This plant has one of the highest amounts of Vitamin C for any plant -- which is why it is so effective against the hep b virus. Chanca piedra (Phyllanthus niruri) fights hep B in another way. CP prevents the hep B virus from replicating by inhibiting the Reverse Transcriptase enzyme needed by the virus to reproduce. Because CP interferes in such a way, this also means that the hep B virus cannot adjust to CP like they can against antibiotics and other drugs or chemicals. I have also read that Chanca piedra, in trials and when supplemented for just a month, can reduce hep B viral loads to virtually zero. There are no known toxic affects when you supplement CP. The most recent research on CP has found that it acts to protect and fortify the hepatocytes(worker liver cells). CP is currently being researched for use both against HIV AIDS and liver cancer because of its unusual effects on the Reverse Transcriptase enzyme in retroviruses. See the research here.
Other remedies -- such as coconut oil, BHT and plain old aspirin are also effective against Hep B and Hep C. CP also contains salycilic acid(same as aspirin). These methods kill the virus by hydrolyzing its outer cell wall envelope, thus completely de-cloaking the virus for easy removal by the immune system. Using the Berkson Liver Protocol(Alpha Lipoic Acid, Selenium, Milk Thistle with NAC and LDN) will also help to heal the liver more quickly. You should investigate these too -- like you say, you should always use as many effective protocols against dangerous viruses as possible.
You can also find Indian Goose Berry in Indian Ayurvedic remedies like Triphala. Triphala powder is made up of a blend of equal parts Amlaki (Emblica officinalis) Haritaki (Terminalia chebula) and Bibhitaki (Terminalia Belerica). So this herbal mix is very high in protective anti-oxidant content, incuding Vit C.
Chaywanprash is also another very useful Ayurvedic mix. It contains over 40 herbs -- including herbs that help the liver such as CP, Indian Gooseberry and Boerhavia diffusa that specifically help the liver. You should be able to find these herbs in any Indian deli in Thailand. I found them in the Philippines quite easily.
By the way -- Chanca piedra is very common in the tropical Far East. It grows everywhere in my garden as a robust and common weed that has one very distinguishing feature which is how you can recognize it so easily and quickly. CP is also called Seed-Under-Leaf because the flowers and seeds always peculiarly form along and under the main leaf stem. No other plant has this characteristic.
Here is a picture of it.
....Chances are that if you are sitting outside, then Chanca piedra will probably be growing somewhere very close to you right now... Even in Bangkok!!
Replied By Michael (Lagos, Nigeria) on 04/30/2012
Thank you so much for the information, Chanca piedra is every where here in Nigeria I make a juice of fresh leaf of it and I have been taking it for two months now and still positive of HB. I really need to get salvia-Ligustrum but can't seem to get it in an of the pharmacy stores please some one should tell me where to get salvia-ligustrum in NIGERIA. ThanksReplied By Max (Commerce Township, Mi) on 04/30/2012
Ok, I converted my antigen into negative, but now I have to build my antibodies. Has anyone done this? If so then how and what was used? I repeated my tests after two months and nothing has changed. I stopped taking salvia, beacuse it can convert it back to positive. I am afraid that I have to use something else to build antibodies. Any suggestions?Replied By Michael (Lagos, Nigeria) on 05/04/2012
Hello Max, Please I would like you to clear me more on this, those it mean that chanca piedra alone with some immune supplement will clear up the virus. I truly want to be sure what to think and clear up this virus from my system, it is slowing me down I can't get a job because of this.Replied By Max (Commerce Township, Mi) on 05/09/2012
Chanca piedra did not convert my serum antigen, but salvia lingustrum did. I took 9 pills 3 times a day for 2.5 months. I had blood work done meanwhile that showed my negative serum antigen. Then I stopped taking it, because I read that it may convert it back. I know that you can take salvia for only 3 months and have a break.Replied By Steve11269 (Bangkok, Thailand) on 05/10/2012
Hello, and thank you Bill for all your helpful advice pertaining to hepatitis B remedies. Sorry it took so long to reply.
I have been taking the Salvia/Ligustrum tabs for 2 weeks now. Unfortunately, it not only did not reduce any of my liver inflammation, one of the pills got stuck somewhere in my body. Be careful taking pills! I went into shock last night and I am still recovering. My heart rate hit 200 and tingling was felt throughout all of my limbs. I know it was one of those pills because I felt it when I switched positions in lying down.
Last night the liver inflammation went down, but it's back in full force the next day. I will be going to the doctor to get a DNA test of this virus because it simply won't die. I am convinced the only way for me to rid myself of this hepatic curr, is to try more extreme medicine like BHT or MMS. I have read good reviews on BHT. That will be my next route. The strength of this virus has me concerned :/ Not to mention I am at the 6 month point with this virus :(
Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 05/10/2012
Hi Steve11269... BHT will certainly help you to get rid of Hep C. BHT also has the characteristic of being a first class anti-oxidant as well as being capable of killing the Hep C virus as well.
Other remedies for Hep C that seem to work are The Berkson Triple Anti-Oxidant Therapy -- ALA(300 mgs), Selenium(200 mcg) and Milk Thistle(1000 mgs) twice a day at meals. Ted also mentions various other remedies that help to cure Hep C here:
https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/hep_c_questions.html#Question_2947
In the above link, Ted also mentions various other remedies against Hep C including using his own Lysine remedy as well as a TCM remedy called Pien Tze Huang which is made by Zhan Zhou. But this one is expensive and beware of fakes.
Some more options for you.
Replied By Steve11269 (Bangkok, Thailand) on 05/17/2012
Thanks again for your feedback Bill but I have great news! The pain I have under my right rib for four months was my gallbladder. The Chanca Piedra pushed out one large stone in exactly one week. I just went back to the doctor because the pain is still there. I had bloodwork done and NO VIRUS! I do not have the antibodies as of yet though. So, how long does it take to form anti-hb's? I see many people asking this question here. By the way, the pain is diminishing in my gallbladder because I started taking 3,000 milligrams of Vitamin C daily. I think it is healing me :D Cheers!Replied By Akin (Lagos, Nigeria) on 05/21/2012
Thanks All for your honest comment, I just discovered the virus after blood works and an ultra sound show the liver is inflated, the viral load was 250,000 as feb.
I often experience some pain in the stomach area, body itch, and muscle pains and easily fatigued.
I have been on milk thisle, vit c 1000mg, and vit e with daily juice of Carrot, Beetroot, celery, white radish, lemon, cabbage and apple. I exercise regularly.
Its been traumatic, worrisome and burdened with this diagnoses but I'm more than conqueror IJN.
I will like Micheal from Nigeria to contact me on h4bv(at)ymail. com for advice on where I can get CHANCA PIEDRA in Nigeria and maybe we can share more knowledge/approach on defeating this common enemy.
Replied By Art (Vancouver Bc., Canada) on 01/02/2013
It is not recommeded that you take Milk Thistle if you are taking BHT. The Milk Thistle will block the BHT as it works to protect the liver. Grape fruit or grape fruit juice is also known to block the effects of BHT and other drugs. art.Replied By Rhea (Manila, Philippines) on 06/11/2014
Hi! I'm Rhea, I was found to be a carrier of hepa b last year. I've started taking entecavir/entegard for almost a year now and wondering if I could stop it and take chanca piedra instead? We have chanca piedra leaves and I want to know how to use it? hope for your response guys. Pls help. I'm hoping for your response soon, I'm becoming hopeless as time goes by.Replied By Timh (KY) on 06/12/2014
Start with a small dose of Chanca Piedra and slowly increase as the days go by. For the meds, slowly decrease dosage.Replied By Rhea (Manila, Philippines) on 06/12/2014
Thanks Timh from KY, won't there be any side effects from the chanca piedra? can I decrease the entegard by taking it every other day? because as of now I'm taking it once a day.Replied By Timh (KY) on 06/12/2014
If the pills are tablet you can break them in half for starters for maybe two weeks then 1/2 pill every other day for maybe a month and hopefully will be able to not need the chemical meds anymore. I have been using Chanca Piedra for chronic active viral hepatitis w/ good results and zero side effects for about 1yr.
Replied By Jingle (Us) on 02/10/2015
I just started the baraclude 0.5mg per day, can I take Chanca Piedra meanwhile? Thanks a lot!