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Kay (Jax, Fl, Usa) on 11/20/2013

I have been reading all the posts for Gum disease. I am going out today to purchase Aloe Vera Gel and Juice and the Bee Propolis, assuming I can find it.

I have to admit I have not been the best dental patient. Have had Gingivitis off and on for years. However, now, it has advanced to beyond this stage and I recently visited a Peridentist who stated all the my teeth are loose and the gum disease is so advanced that I should have all of them extracted and wear dentures. I am over 60 yrs old and I guess he figures this is the least expensive way since I do not have any dental insurance. Has anyone on this forum been told this and found a remedy? I know there really isn't much to replace bone loss? The dentist asked me if I took meds for bone loss and I assured him I don't take many meds at all. I actually read somewhere that Chloresteral meds were bad for dental gums. I take a lot of vitamins including CQ10 and have never been a smoker. Any answers would be really appreciated. I really don't want to loose my teeth but this may happen.

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Replied By Aurora (Mason City, Ia) on 02/09/2015

Yes, I went to the dentist and he told me that my teeth all had to come out, I came out of his office crying and my daughter told me I should seek a second opinion. Long story short the second dentist told me that it was probably because I was in peri-menopause to seek the counsel of an endocrinologist. I started to read about hormonal unbalance, reducing my hot flashes etc. and kept my teeth for another 14 years.

After having cancer and getting radiation and chemo, my teeth are loose once more. When I visited the dentist, he only wanted to take them out, but I think it is hormonal again as my body had to deal with so much. I do what I can to keep my body from falling apart in spite of cancer and radiation. Read here that salt, ( shocking how simple remedies can be) can kill the microbe that causes the gum disease, I started using it a few weeks ago, my teeth feel a lot better. I am planning a trip to the experts, this time in Mexico, to see if they will give me a chance to explain my situation, for how can they help you? If they don't know your history or what you have experienced? Sorry this is so long, but I hope it's a help to you or somebody else, Aurora

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Replied By Om (Hope, Bc Canada) on 02/09/2015

Aurora --- no need to go to Mexico. At least visit "healing teeth naturally" online.

It has saved me thousands of $$$$ . I am attending to them daily and do oil pulling as well. Best to read and find the many ways that are otherwise kept from us for the sake of commerce. Enough said. Namaste Om

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Replied By Prioris (Fl, US) on 02/10/2015

That can be very terrible news to hear all your teeth will need to come out. Whatever you do - do not listen to the dentist. They are ignorant of natural cures. Do everything you can to keep them. The body has the abilitiy to heal given the proper nutrients and care. Also be aware that I am 60 years old.

I don't know everything about the state of your gums so use these things. I would come at it from different angles. Nutrients and cleansing.

I tried oil pulling to help the weakening gums but to no avail. I think how well it helps depends on how nutrient deficient ones body is and whether it is just primarily a bacterial cause. The older one is, the more likely it is a depleted nutrients in your body so oil pulling would likely help less.

From a cleansing perspective, you can use hydrogen peroxide (1 part water, 1 part H202).

Brush your gums with it briefly upon rising and before bed. It will be a form of massage to get blood circulating in them and minimize bacteria colony in your mouth. I don't know the state of your gums so just be gentle until nutrients start to build up. You don't have to do it long but just enough.

For nutrients, use Biocell HA. It has Hyaluronic Acid and Collagen which has high absorption. This is what will put nutrients back into your gums. As a side benefit, your spinal column will get replenished.

Take 3 to 6 capsules per day on EMPTY stomach all at once. Best time is upon rising or before bed. You can use more or less. It accumulates in the body but given the state of your gums, I'd go higher dose for first couple weeks. I used doctor best brand because it was least expensive.

My gums were weakening disintegrating due to age and some teeth were starting to feel loose. I happen to stumble on a cure while looking for a way to cure my herniated disc which it did. I used Biocell Hyaluronic Acid. It toughened up my gums within 3 months but I expect sooner. I can't tell you exactly when they toughened up my gums because I was focused on the herniated disc and only realized afterward.

When I went to have my first dentist appointment in around 13 years, they found virtually no pockets in my gums. My gums feel very strong. My teeth and gums are tight.

I hope this gets you out of your situation. Many people take care of their teeth very well all their life but they end up losing all their teeth due to deteriorating gums as they age.

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Replied By Greeenglo (Denver) on 02/11/2015

Hi Prioris,

Just wanted to add my experience -

I am kindof facing a similar situation with regard to my gums. I visited a natural dentist due to a very loose tooth and he believes its the root canals I had 20 years ago that is the cause for all my tooth/gum issues. He thinks they should be removed.

I have been meticulous in taking care of my teeth. Having oil-pulled for atleast 4 years (to no avail), used a bunch of herbs and anything that I thought would remotely help my gums/teeth. nothing has helped so far. According to the dentist there is only so much the body can do and with a root canal it is pretty much stymied in its efforts to heal itself. what is interesting is that the bottom jaw is fine, bone density is great and teeth are good. the top jaw - where there are 2 root canals is the one with a lot of issues and also bone loss.

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Replied By Prioris (Fl., US) on 02/12/2015

Your bottom gums are fine but upper gums weak. Wow. Never ceases to amaze me on the never ending twists and turns to any particular health problem. This would appear to be some type of gum infection.

I would still try the Biocell HA. You have nothing to lose and who knows maybe it could help with other health problems even if it doesn't help the gums. Who knows, maybe the nutrients could tip the balance in fighting the infection. For someone younger, maybe vitamin C complex is enough.

Another thing I would consider is using DMSO on the inside of your top gums with Q tip then a few minutes later, put some hydrogen peroxide against the inside of your gums.

Don't allow DMSO to touch your cheeks. I did that and the skin peeled. Adjust dilution of DMSO to your own liking. I have used 99% with no problem in past. h202 will be way more effective than herbs against pathogens since it has oxygen as a weapon.

I know for periodontal disease, people use baking soda. They hold in the mouth for 20 or 30 minutes I think to let it soak in. So maybe another thing to add.

Given the uniqueness of your problem, please keep us informed on any progress or non progress. Even if you were to lose your teeth, you want to go down fighting trying to save them.

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Replied By Prioris (Fl) on 02/14/2015

A few more things. Many years back, I developed sensitivity in my teeth with nothing in my mouth. any hot or cold would worsen them.

I tried using baking soda in water held in my mouth for 45 minutes a day 2 times per day. I tried that for 10 days and it was not successful. i

I decided to try 3% hydrogen peroxide and holding that in my mouth for 30 or 40 minutes 2 times per day. I would scrub the gums with the tooth brush also on and off. it was a way to massage the gums. After about 5 to 10 days - I forget exact time - my teeth sensitivity went away never to return. I wasn't even sensitive to hot or cold any more. teeth felt good.

Of course, I didn't know if it would work but it did. Whether it was the strength of the h202, the length of time I kept it in my mouth or a combination of the two that made the difference, I don't really know but it worked.

My gums would have that slight white gum burn from the 3% but it was no big deal and went away after I solved my sensitivity problem and stopped using it.

If you use dmso, i'd dilute it to 50% to 60%. This will minimize any burning. You don't want to get it on your lips either or outside of your mouth at full strength although you'll survive it if you do. DMSO is something that you get use to using thru trial and error. some people just swish it around their mouths.

I can only give you my experience. These are like tools. I am just showing you the various ways I used them or can be used.

Ultimately, how you experiment with them is up to you. Because you don't know if something is going to work, there may be some trepidation of failure ir despair from failure. That has happened with many many many health problems that I have had. When I have failure, I come up with something else to try. Ultimately after many attempts, I figure it out where things get better. Sometimes I have to fight and claw my way to success. The way to approach any possible failure is to think up new experiments to try while you hope that what your currently doing works. develop back up plans ... plan a, plan b etc.

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Replied By Jane (United States) on 03/08/2016

No no no, do not use hydrogen peroxide in straight strength like that for 40 minutes a day, (and twice a day! ), or even straight at all. It's killing live tissue. Wow.
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Replied By sandy (IL) on 08/19/2022

Hello, I would like to use HAA, but it contains some ingredient from chicken and I am strictly vegetarian. I will be grateful if someone can suggest a vegetarian version of collagen.
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Replied By Katzie (Calgary) on 08/22/2022

Sorry, there is no such thing as plant-based collagen. It's a protein found in humans and animals. Peptides are also animal based. If it says hydrolyzed, they could have used hydrochloric acid to break down the collagen into peptides. The plant-based ones are typically called a collagen builder. If it says plant collagen, there is simply no such thing.

Replied By Art (California) on 08/22/2022

sandy,

You can try Glycine as an amino acid to help build collagen in the body. Glycine is the most abundant amino acid in collagen. There are other supplements that help the body form collagen such as Lysine, Proline, Threonine and Vitamin C and these can all be used with Glycine to increase collagen production in the body.

On a somewhat related note involving gum and teeth health, the following article may interest you :

https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/art-solbrig-gum-disease-protocol.html

Art

Replied By Mary (NY NY) on 08/23/2022

According to the following link

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/collagen/

Several high-protein foods are believed to nurture collagen production because they contain the amino acids that make collagen—glycine, proline, and hydroxyproline. These include fish, poultry, meat, eggs, dairy, legumes, and soy.

Collagen production also requires nutrients like zinc, which is found in shellfish, legumes, meats, nuts, seeds, and whole grains; and vitamin C from citrus fruits, berries, leafy greens, bell peppers, and tomatoes.

According to the website https://healthyeating.sfgate.com/wheat-germs-vitamin-mineral-composition-9508.html, a quarter-cup serving of wheat germ offers 3.5 milligrams of zinc -- 44 percent of the recommended daily intake for women and 32 percent for men, according to intake guidelines set by the Institute of Medicine.

According to the website https://www.eatingwell.com/article/2052728/6-foods-with-more-vitamin-c-than-an-orange/ broccoli, kiwi, bell peppers, pineapple and papaya are high in vitamin C and other important nutrients.