Starswalker (Los Angeles) on 08/16/2013
Replied By Prioris (Fl, Usa) on 08/17/2013
Fear is created by the "Not for internal use" warning on the box and from some of the posters who haven't looked into it enough.
It took me a while to understand borax more clearly. Many posts gave impression it is dangerous to use. This is not true.
First, salt is as toxic or more toxic than borax. How many people go into mortal fear for their life when they sprinkle salt on their food. Not many. (as an aside, salt has no connection to heart disease).
Ted has the 5 days on and 2 days off protocol but the 2 days off is really OPTIONAL. You make the decision. Since no medical tests are being done to determine your levels of boron etc, this is just Ted being cautious. I can perfectly understand this when giving advice to other people. This is why you want to be familiar with boron overdose just to be aware of the warning signs.
Some people do experience herxheimer or other reactions. This is the reason for going slow. It isn't because your going to die from it. This going slow approach is OPTIONAL. If you do have reactions, just use common sense and pull back.
Some people take medications and other things. That could be a factor on how much you take.
Females dose is 1/8 tsp. Male dose is 1/4. I think it really comes down to your body weight. Heavier and larger people should probably take higher amount.
It is not some deadly substance unless consumed in some very extraordinary high amounts. You have to eyeball your own particular health situation.
I am 6'2" and 255 lbs (btw, I am slim). When I started taking it, I took 3/8 tsp divided up in 3 doses. I took this amount because my body weight is higher and I wanted an initial load period. I am not having herxheimer reactions etc. I will bring the amount down the longer I take it. I will eventually add days off. Down the road as the boron builds up, I will keep decreasing it. I don't have any objective measurement that tells me when enough is enough. I will keep on guard for overdose symptoms. We have to use common sense when taking anything. Ted's philosophy is taking as little as possible. I generally do that with any supplement over the long run.
I also don't use the liter of water. Nobody has explained the rationale for that. Experience tells me it is to mask the soapy taste. The soapy taste is no big deal for me. I use anywhere from 1/2 to 1 cup of water. No need for that litre crap. The only other reason for that amount of water is it could help wash a little more toxin out of one's system but if you're getting enough water (the color of your urine will tell you if your getting ewnough water), why bother.
I also don't drink the water throughout the day. That is a terrible inconvenience for me. I just spread the dose. At some point I will adjust that. If one is having herxheimer or other reactions then maybe that has some validity but it is not necessary to do it that way unless your having problems with it.
Do not be in mortal fear or terrified state of using borax. One poster took 1 tsp a day for 10 days and had no problems. You need to overcome the psychological mortal fear of taking borax.
Bottomline: The general protocol gives you a framework for how to take borax. Just understand the rational behind it. You need to adapt that protocol for your own situation. Don't be afraid to do things differently.
Replied By Timh (Ky, Usa) on 08/21/2013
Personally I have been using Borax recently in a hot bath for the treatment of fungal infection with modest results. I also add a generous amount of other major and trace minerals to the bath for general health reasons. 1/4 -1/2 cup Borax and no bad side effects to report.
Replied By Timh (Ky, Usa) on 08/21/2013
Replied By Helen In Houston (Houston, Texas Usa) on 02/08/2014
Nowhere near a joint of fingernail - the fleshy fingertips were stinging badly. I was really scared. Stopped the boron, then the stinging died away over about 4 days.
20 Mule team Borax, ingredients sodium tetraborate, 1/8t tsp (or somewhat less) in a quart of water over the day.
I searched for what stinging fingertips could be a symptom of but found nothing, no web site suggesting boron for arthritis suggests any such side effect, so I'm curious if anyone has any idea what might have been going on. I was using 2 tsp ACV + baking soda in a liter of water over the course of the day at the same time. ACV has never caused side effects for me.
The boron had no effect on the arthritis as far as I can tell but I used it only those few days.
Replied By Timh (Ky, Usa) on 02/09/2014
Replied By Prioris (Fl) on 02/09/2014
You didn't specify how long you took the borax for. Your post seems to indicate only 3 days or maybe 3 months. At proper dose, the cure usually takes 3 weeks. Around what age are you and what other things are you taking.
This kind of gets neglected in borax posts but without enough magnesium in the body, it may cause the borax protocol to not work. Ted has even said that. Also borax does chelate some minerals out of the body also. So take some magnesium (magnesium glycinate is good choice) with it if you aren't taking any.
Given RA effects fingers, that would be a preferable place to have side effect because it would indicate to me that some type of herxheimer reaction is occurring and borax is attempting to fight infection.Maybe your lacking another nutrient or maybe some toxin is blocking it. Ut takes self detective work.
I think Timh posts had good ideas about detoxing body. It is good you reported the side effect here for other people. You really need to stay with it and try to figure it out by continue to experiment. Don't give up.
Replied By Andi Hofman (Gernany) on 10/22/2025
I regularly take borax 0.6g.As borax organises in strange ways a bit like a polymer, it is able to temporarily grab onto all kinds of toxins depending where they stand in periodic system. Honest science would measure that as a matrix for the whole periodic table and do in vivo measurements, too, trying to determine the complexes actually getting excreted by urine or bile.
And since we live in an intoxicated world, taking more of what we need is one option, so (essential) eg minerals Mg K (Ca, cheese), also Zn Fe B Se Cu Mn Mo Co S SiO2 (natural nano, not produced under size-controlling industrial excipients where it is suddenly cancerous immune disruptive..) as trace minerals — as pure or pureified (from toxins mentioned) as it gets.
I also read that borax can lower efficacy of availability or even the direct levels of iodine, though all AI answers deny that vigorously. I once had a source telling why and how and lost it.
Perhaps read Boron - a potential goiterogen?https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28673593/
Yet it just means we ALSO have to take some iodine in adequate dosing, and this may be (in intoxicated times:) quite some more than WHO allots us in their (corrupted dis-) grace.
So I want to take as a male
0.6g borax and
1 drop 4% Lugol‘s
Why Lugol‘s? I was told many tissues also need elemental Iodine I2. Some only ionic form, some both.
Dosing of that in wiki is reported quite distorted. But it is easy: As 5% Lugol‘s contains 5% g/g I2 elemental iodine PLUS 10% g/g KI, potassium iodide, having 127g/mol/166g/mol iodine, so 76.5% I per KI, in classic Lugol‘s preparation instruction by WEIGHT proportion g/g the total iodine content (elemental plus ionic) is :
12.6% g/g, and as density is
1.12g/ml this equals to the concentration in mass/volume definition of
14.1% g/ml.
This leads us to a hefty
7.1mg total iodine per DROP of 5% Lugol‘s (if it really has 0.05ml :). Inmeasured 50 drops with a fine scale, and it adds up.
(Newer recipes just do 5% g/ml I2 and 10% g/ml KI, without telling they deviate from Mr. Lugol‘s preparation instruction to add 5g I2 + 5g KI + 85g water, but you catch them by measuring density so eg a 20ml syringe on a fine scale tara before filling and just filling till 20ml without letting aur out that stems from nizzle and syringe, using a scale with 1/100 g resolution will yield enough precision to tell „the mini fraud“.:)
As a bottom line I want to repeat the question:
what available and cheap sources of trace minerals do we have that do not include all the stuff we are intoxicated with like Flouride (not preventing caries, to some papers this is done by good mineral status and some hygiene and good biome in mouth, meaning good „source“ biome in LI), but found F is dysbiotic and pro-ibflammatiry, enhancing paradentosis: ask people what the main cause of loss of a tooth is nowadays??? And F just like spike and glyphosate subtly paralyses the limbic system, brings down energy, will, empathy intuition, self healing, hormone regulation, and so on. WHO could want this… :)
Mercury AND Lead : potentiate their toxicity. WHICH static upper value in drinking water and food represents that (it is a rhetoric question:)
Gadolinium (so contrast agent imaging should be accompanied by a chelation therapy the insurance had to pay as not doing that is medical misconduct for the non-neglicble part of vulnerables drifting into MCAS / metabolic states by one shot. Why that happens in some would be interesting and how to prevent that? Would probably prevent severe CoV lyme EBV Aids etc as well and be a good cancer prevention, as all theses states look the same and react to quite the same set of interventions viewed from the perspective of immune regulation “from some distance”.
Bromium
Strontium (in excess)
Nano-Plastic and smaller (oligomers, broken up polymers) we CREATE by disinfecting water with CIO2 (that us drilling holes into plastic matrix, the air force of the two, as it has a gas pressure) and HClO (infantry, widening the channels), puncturing pipes even 1cm wall thickness in 30yrs at 10-15°C (higher : faster!) by corrosion. Producing bad taste of water by oligomers of HDPE and added anti-oxidants (polyphenols).
Btw.: We also produce nanoplastic by brushing teeth with nylon or let alone teflon (electric brushes) and an abrasive, why not using swine bristles as of old? Very durable, I use one with beech wood handle for 6mo now and prevent bacterial decomposition of wood or bristles by spraying in isopropyl alcohol 100% to displace water also and gently drying after use on towel and putting on a LED night light for some warmths to dry.Also we produce nanoplastic by impregnating cotton against shear torsion called fibre stabiliser, which is a plastic enamel coating every fibre from insides and most often not given off in the label of ingredients. It gets worn to nano dust in washing machine so most lands in sea as it can't be filtered by current sewage treatment plants and won't settle in rivera, 30,000t/yr, and concentrates in filter of tumble dryer: don't inhale dusty air when opening it and cleaning the filter. Wash hands before eating.
So these are the ones I found, add glyphosate and spike both catalytically disrupting hexagonal structure of water, thus depleting the Exclusion Zone EZ every cell, and for red blood cells, as we know, this leads to rolls and heaps producing micro blood clots, that we can not detect by d-Dimer test, only in tissue under microscope OR in eye background imaging: the only capillary we have direct access by optics. If only some capillaries siddenly get clogged there, younhsve to get your blood flowing by drinking structured water, and as emergency measure, CIO2 (aq) 0.3% 1-70ml per day distributed over the day in 1-2L water restores the EZ potential in a few hours throughout the body, alas without restoring the structuring of cellular water (80% in body‘s water should be structured, btw.. Search for COMUSAV if you want to talk to one of 2000 ohysicians that practised thst by infision if 10ml CDS in 500ml salt solution (ringer is not the best if suffering from electrolyte dysbalance anyways, so I said the neutral word „salt“, have find something better and cheap and available then NaCl 0.9%; as ClO2 makes any solution self-sterilising, it may not be that hard toncome up with a solution (of salts closer to normal plasma)). If that structured water % goes down, normally we die. This is why some call this „Energy of Life. I always viewed that with the physicists scepticism - or ignorance, as now Insee at least it is both indicator and therapy option. ))
GO and rGO (MMS2 so Ca(ClO2) some 100-400mg powder with baking soda 1/4tsp to prevent Cl2, on empty stomach) could decompose in vivo to one paper) and Aluminium (detox by silicade water to Denis N. Crouse or Magnesium Maleate) is another (anti-neurodegerative disease) toxins topic. :)
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Replied By Bev (Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Usa) on 08/08/2014
Replied By Mycoplasma (Geneva, Switzerland) on 10/04/2014
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or other treatments like ClO2, Mefloquine, Neemleaf extract, and all other chemical substances that have affect on Mycoplasma will cause huge eruptions into the blood stream. As a consequence, people will get severe diarrhea. Dosing should be started with low amounts, especially on heavily affected people, who may otherwise end up in hospital in the lucky case.
One problem that occurs on this site is the fact, that dosages are improperly discussed. Fractions of teaspoons are improper ways to measure. I tested this and just on Borax 1/8th of a teaspoon can vary between 300 mg to 800 mg. I really would suggest to get a proper balance that can handle milligrams and start talking about dosages in body dosages in milligrams (but please put in your weight in kg as well) and the time intervals it is taken, so that a daily dose would come clear as well.
If the webmaster would support it, we could start taking information on a scientific level instead of staying in the semi-knowledge.
I am studying this mycoplasma since over two years and could benefit from better statistics, if the forum would be willing to support proper statistic data on their experience. I am quite startled how wide spread the problem is affecting nearly everyone.
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Replied By Edson Araujo De Freitas (Brasil) on 03/05/2015
EC: Google translate:
The dosage I use my wife my daughter uses 6 grams of borax in one hundred ml of water, 12 drops 2x daily, this right?
Replied By Brian (Gold Coast) on 05/25/2015
Have been on borax now for around 1 month. Started with the anti fungal dosing protocol, massive eruptions of very hot painful diarrhea and when that stopped moved up to a quarter tspn 3 times a day. Excellent results first 2 - 3 weeks, massive weight loss and tons of energy. About 2 weeks ago began to feel washed out and ill, so stopped for 2 days and started again on 1/4 tspn 2 a day. Fine for a few days then depression hit. Lot of muccus out of nose and chest and chest very painful. Headaches, very sore eyeballs and weeping tears. Could be a bad cold but dont think so. Have not been able to work, feel too sick. Couldn't find anything within the forum like me other than mycoplasma infection posted by Replied by Mycoplasma
Geneva, Switzerland
10/04/2014.
Am I taking too much? Is it a healing sickness? Any imput welcome. b
Replied By Timh (Ky) on 05/26/2015
In your situation, you would prosper by doing any number of detox and cleanses listed in the Remedies section at top page. There are a good number of effective remedies that if used properly will get you back to health, but you must take time and dedicate yourself to getting well again.
Come back here and post questions and results.
Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 05/26/2015
Ted's Borax remedy is 1/4 tspn in a liter of water per day. Drink this liter of water slowly throughout the whole day. Do not drink it all down in one go.
Some more information for you on borax on my google doc here and on Earth Clinic here.
Replied By Dawna (Colorado) on 08/03/2015
I've tried several glucosamine brands in the USA without any relief at all. I buy Voltaflex at the Zurich train station pharmacy, it's over the counter, costs about 12. dollars per month.
Replied By Russell (Sydney Australia) on 08/09/2015
Replied By Andi Hofmann (Germany) on 10/22/2025
Sometimes I had no borax dissolved at hand.
So I took 2 finger tips pointing finger and threw into mouth and swallowed.
You can go creative.I have to find out if Borax is alkaline, I suspect a bit, so I will avoid taking it around or on meals.
But I try ti
live to “non-optimal dosing or timing is better than no dosing at all!”
Avoid alkaline 1/2 hr before .. 1-2hr after meals:
As I am already low in stomach acid.
(Like 1/2 of patients of any office in a city were measured if 40yrs+. Yet I get lynched at any pharmacy if I say I need a stomach acid supplement. Of ciurse they have never heard if betaine HCl+ let alone have it available for reasonable price. It would lay dry 1/3 of “health” industry… :)
See eg. PantryPharmacy.com “The mother of all problems”:
https://pantrypharmacy.com/2018/12/18/the-mother-of-all-problems/
Replied By Andi Hofmann (Germany) on 10/22/2025
Sometimes I had no borax dissolved at hand.
So I took 2 finger tips pointing finger and threw into mouth and swallowed.
You can go creative.I have to find out if Borax is alkaline, I suspect a bit, so I will avoid taking it around or on meals.
But I try ti
live to “non-optimal dosing or timing is better than no dosing at all!”
Avoid alkaline 1/2 hr before .. 1-2hr after meals:
As I am already low in stomach acid.
(Like 1/2 of patients of any office in a city were measured if 40yrs+. Yet I get lynched at any pharmacy if I say I need a stomach acid supplement. Of ciurse they have never heard if betaine HCl+ let alone have it available for reasonable price. It would lay dry 1/3 of “health” industry… :)
See eg. PantryPharmacy.com “The mother of all problems”:
https://pantrypharmacy.com/2018/12/18/the-mother-of-all-problems/
Replied By Baldev (Maharashtra) on 08/09/2015
What is important is that you should not take it empty stomach, yet how you take it whether with water, juice or tea, in my opinion makes no difference. My advice would be to avoid sugar in the tea. Good Luck
Baldev
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Replied By Doug (4870) on 11/16/2015
I have been using Turkish Borax in my diet and home for a couple of years with arthritis and osteoarthritis and am very pleased with the results, severe pain has subsided to occasional negligible and generally bearable.
Your question regarded mixing it with water ... I began with a 1/4 teaspoon orally, twice a day washed down with lemon water and as I began to go through the healing process, I gradually weaned myself to, currently, using it as you would use salt.
That is to say, anything that I cook with salt, I add as much Borax as salt. When I bake my bread, I add as much Borax as salt. I brush my teeth with virgin coconut oil, Borax and hydrogen peroxide.
I live in the northern tropical zone of Oz and to keep the ants, cockroaches etcetera at bay I use honey, Borax and some warm water to blend them .
Russell, you are only limited by your own imagination, do your research and be thorough.
Replied By Pip (Australia, Victoria) on 02/19/2016
Hi all, Borax rocks....of the laundry shelf, in the supermarket. I sprinkle it on like table salt, on my breakfast, and a little sugar ( its breakfast you know )...its through you by seven hours, but for me once a day is enough. Its fantastic, it like lubricates my joints, eliminates pain, and sparks me up.Me - 61yrs, Rhm/A, Ost/A, require a knee opp, but planning not to for go it, so little pain, am thinking I may reduce all the medications, soon, been taking it over a year and a half, into my second jar of Borax.
Some of you are a little pedantic on consumption. Over use will cause nausea and diarrhea, just like to much table salt. So try and see what works for you. The rest of my diet stayed the same. No harm in trying this ...Borax.
Better health to you all. Pip
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I am just getting started with borax and I am working on coming up with the best dosage for myself. I have noticed there seems to be two different dosage recommendations that people are working with:
Ted's recommendation:
1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon of Borax powder dissolved in a certain amount of water, usually one liter, and drink that entire amount of water in divided doses or sipped throughout the day.
In this scenario, you have ingested between 1/8 and 1/4 teaspoon of Borax powder per day.
So far it appears to me from looking at other people's posts, and not doing my own calculations from my own measurements, that 1/8 of a teaspoon of Borax has approximately 75 mg of boron and 1/4 teaspoon of Borax has approximately 150 mg of boron.
Or
1tsp/L borax water:
1 teaspoon of Borax powder dissolved in 1 L of water and then take 1 teaspoon of Borax water or more each day.
1 teaspoon of Borax powder contains approximately 600 mg of boron. Since there are 203 teaspoons in 1 L, this would mean that 1 teaspoon of this borax Water would contain 1/203 teaspoon of Borax powder and approximately 3 mg of boron.
In comparison, taking 1/8 teaspoon of borax powder per day is a:
25 times larger dose than taking 1 teaspoon of the 1 teaspoon per liter borax water,
12.5 times larger dose than taking 2 teaspoons of the 1 teaspoon per liter borax water,
6.25 times larger dose than taking 3 teaspoons of the 1 teaspoon per liter borax water.
The above three numbers would be doubled if the comparison is with 1/4 teaspoon of Borax powder per day.
I just recently learned that one medical doctor out there that is a big fan of iodine, also recommends patients with osteoporosis to take 150 mg of boron per day for a year before they taper off to a lower maintenance dose. Which of course would be equivalent to taking 1/4 teaspoon of Borax powder per day.
Replied By Art (California ) on 12/09/2016
One thing to keep in mind about borax is that not everyone can tolerate it and it is not effective for everyone as far as arthritis is concerned, but for those who can tolerate it, it can have many health benefits beyond arthritis. For this reason, it may be safer to start at lower dosing and work your way up in order to try to avoid any potential adverse events while trying to obtain the potential health benefits of borax.
Art
Replied By Art (California) on 10/23/2025
Hi Andi Hofmann,Borax is a higher pH than baking soda. It has a pH of about 9.5.
Art