Replied By Kathy (the USA) on 03/09/2013
I am post menopause and when the prolapse was extreme I used super tampons saturated with lubricating jelly overnight and/or a few hours during the day until I got better control and things stayed in place. If constipation necessitates stool softeners and the prolapse starts, I use the tampon again.Replied By Joy (Battleground, Wash) on 03/09/2013
Please explain how gelatin causes Prolapse.... I am really curious?Replied By Deidre (Sydney, Australia ) on 03/10/2013
I read that Prolapse is caused by a toxic bowel. If you have a toxic bowel, maybe the stool softeners just allowed the bowel to push further down. Just a thought.
I would start on colonics, eating prunes, caster oil, start juicing and go on a raw food diet because raw foods contain digestive enzymes.
Replied By Kathy (the USA) on 03/10/2013
I'm sorry, I cannot provide details but when I was in communication with those fighting the FDA about MSG issues I had been informed that gelatin is made from bone. During the manufacturing process, glutamic acid is created and is a nerve stimulant that can stimulate some nerve cells to death, depending how sensitive you are which is determined on how your mother ate while she was pregnant with you. Glutamic acid is naturally occurring BUT when it is a consequence of manufacture it is toxic to many. It is just not recognized. The medical profession is not keeping up with what is happening to our food. More money is wasted on "research" to find cures instead of eliminating the probable cause. It took me over twenty years to learn about the ramifications of processed free glutamic acid but by the process of elimination I learned. I hope this helps. There is a website you could go, and I have seen it listed in other posts here, but I don't know if it is permitted and I wouldn't want this post to be deleted. I will also mention that I had a breech vaginal delivery many years ago but I never experienced any prolapse until I ingested the gelatin capsules.Replied By Jennifer (Ash Grove, Mo/ Usa) on 03/16/2013
Hi, Kathy! I just finished reading your post about the gelatin capsules. I was wondering if you knew whether or not the vegetarian gelatin capsules were okay to use?? I put my own powdered herbs into vegetarian gelatin capsules and wondered if this was acceptable. Do you know anything about this type of capsule?? Please let me know if you do. Thank you!Replied By Kathy (the USA) on 03/17/2013
Hi Jennifer, I would not use them. You could mix your powdered herbs in some unsweetened applesauce or, as I do with one of my probiotics, sprinkle the capsule contents between apricots halves and let my saliva mix/dissolve the powder as I swallow. Our food is being engineered to last longer so it has become harder to digest. There was a short period of time that I started getting the "grass-fed" or "free-range" meat, chicken, eggs and milk. All those critters are being fed genetically modified grains and grasses (GMO). The beef was harder on my husband's and my kidneys, I started to experience incontinence from the chicken (I was a big meat and egg eater). By the process of elimination I learned this. I had to get 2% milk because the "grass-fed" dairy cows are being fed GMO grasses and grain to produce more milk, especially in the winter. Even the "free-range" chicken eggs caused me indigestion. I never trusted "organics" and recently found some information to confirm I was correct. I cannot afford the costs anyway.
In my opinion fresher is no longer better. I get frozen or canned vegetables without salt (the flowing agent in salt is another hidden culprit). Salt is not the problem... It is the flowing/anti-caking agent. I use sea salt. The frozen or canned is blanched at their peak so I feel they are better for you. I feel we have grown up eating things that our body has been "conditioned" to tolerate or build up an immunity to. No proof of this... Just my reasoning. I no longer get the extra large eggs. I get medium and I only buy eggs in the cardboard cartons. The yolks seem to have a richer yellow/orange color and I am better able to keep my weight down, which I had struggled with for years. I now limit my eggs and meat consumption because they contain more carbohydrates than they used to. I get the 2% milk in glass bottles because it is safer even though I have to limit that because of the "carb" content NOW.
As far as toxic bowels... For the last few years I have been taking 1/2 tsp. dry mustard in 1/2 Cup cold water first thing in the morning, on an empty stomach to "prime the pump" for bowel evacuation. Mustard is an antiseptic and someone on this site posted they had to use mustard instead of antibiotics. I don't remember where that post was or what I was looking up. There is no doubt that the capsules cause my prolapse because when I stop ingesting them, my prolapse subsides.
Replied By Kathy (the USA) on 03/17/2013
HEY DEIDRE... I'm sorry I confused your post with what Jennifer posted. As you see, I remarked about "toxic bowel" to her. Because hidden sources of MSG stimulate nerve cells, maybe it affects the ligaments that hold organs in place. I don't know but if I have the money to alter the probiotics like I did I have good results. I have very limited income. I happened to have stool softeners on hand that I had purchased for our dog. It is ONLY when I have to use them that I experience prolapse. Everyone is different and will react in a different way to hidden sources of manufactured glutamic acid.
It makes me sad that I can't afford to have a dog anymore :-( :-(
Replied By Kathy (the USA) on 03/17/2013
Hi again Jennifer, I don't know whether I replied to you here, in response to your post, or if it was another place... Where Deidre responded. I have to work on this piecemeal. I'm not real familiar with this site and what I read I cannot remember all so I don't know if posts are categorized. I confused what Deidre said as coming from you... What she said is also true. I think the two issues relate to each other. Where the ligaments are weakened and not keeping things in place, it seems that stool collects (it was reported that I have a "very tortuous colon") and can begin to ferment. If I get over 100lbs. I know I'm full of... impacted fecal matter and I'm fortunate to have the time needed to evacuate completely. Sometimes it takes a very long time because nerve cells are dead that would prompt elimination. I'm sure I must be a candidate for a colostomy but I don't want to live the rest of my life like that.Replied By Claudine (Norwalk, Ct) on 04/01/2013
to Kathy -- very interesting about gelatin capsules and a prolapsed bladder! I consume a lot of supplements in capsule form every day and didn't think twice about it! Is there any place I can research this further? I have started to dump the contents out into a smoothie now. Thanks for your postings.Replied By Kathy (the USA) on 04/02/2013
Hi Claudine, I only learned what the gelatin capsules were doing to me because of trying to avoid msg in our food. This has been over a twenty-year endeavor during which I have learned much. I don't believe anyone else has reported this effect from gelatin capsules. I reported this to the friend who helped me become aware of the damaging effects of hidden msg in our food. The piecemeal process of elimination over the years is all the confirmation I need to know the gelatin capsules caused my problem. If I have to use stool softeners and begin to feel the prolapse I use a super plus tampon for a few hours during which I "tuck and squeeze" while walking around. Before I discovered it was the gelatin capsules I had to use two of the super plus tampons. Ingestion of other sources of msg could certainly contribute. With what is being done to our food it is nearly impossible to avoid.Replied By Sunny (Central, Wa) on 05/05/2013
Constipation: Having a prolapsed bladder and fighting with constipation off and on all my life, I found that rather than using stool softners, I have had very good luck with a product that contains Psyllium husk, Psyllium seed, Marshmallow root, Slippery Elm bark, and Aloe Vera leaf. I like it better than anything else I've tried. (better than Metamucil which I used previously) It comes in a powder form so no worry about the gelatin capsules. Hope this helps some of you that also have constipation issues.Replied By Kathy (the USA) on 05/07/2013
Hi Sunny, Thanks for you suggestion. I have tried some I am full of adhesions due to multiple surgeries. I have narrowings in my "pipeline" and the psyllium husk does not create the pliable products for elimination that I need.Replied By Kathy (Some, Where, The Usa) on 06/13/2013
Hi again Claudine, I've been wondering if you had thought about using food that contains the vitamins/minerals that you need instead of the supplements. That's what I've been trying to do but our food has been changing and that's affecting the supplements too.Replied By KT (USA) on 07/28/2013
This reply is for Sunny: Where can I purchase the powdered product you are referring to? (It took me awhile to process what you were saying)... Fractured skull and multiple head traumas several decades ago. I saw "psyllium husk" and did not process "powder"... Probably doesn't make sense to you but it is difficult for me to sit here long periods of time. ANYWAY, I'm really interested in looking for the product you suggested. Is it available at a well-known drug store that starts with a "C"? That is closer to me than the health food store. I have to plan two days ahead if I'm going to travel that far (only eight miles) but in my condition I don't travel if I have a hint of needing the bathroom. I don't think we can provide names or brand names here... When I'm in this uncomfortable situation I don't what I'm reading... I can't use my head... I feel like I'm going to POP. I need immediate relief.Replied By Ann (Indiana, Usa) on 04/24/2014
I have struggled with constipation and prolapse for 30 years. I had two surgeries which are ineffective soon after so I have just put up with it, trying to limit my lifting, which usually is what bothers me. I have used psyllium powder for years but in the last 2 years found that aloe vera juice helps soften my stool. Some tastes terrible but I found a brand (starts with G) that tastes like water. I add it to my smoothies and my lemon water that I carry with me all day. I have learned how much to put in to avoid loose stools but seldom have hard stools any more, depending on what I have eaten.Replied By Cy (Florida) on 05/24/2014
Can you please the name of the product that has Psyllium husk, Psyllium seed, Marshmallow root, Slippery Elm bark, and Aloe Vera leaf?Replied By KT (Usa) on 05/24/2014
Hi Cy--No one answered my questions yet, either. I'm letting you know I'm going to call some pharmacies before I try the health food store, thinking they would be less expensive.Replied By Carolyn (Canterbury, New Zealand) on 02/02/2015
Google "pelvic balls" to strengthen and hold your bladder up in place...works well!! Also, calcium bentonite clay to cleanse the bowel, liver, gall bladder.Replied By Lynn (Kitchener Ontario) on 03/05/2015
Hi there everyone. I have had a prolapse bladder for ten years now and it recently started protruding out of my vagina. I was tired of walking around with my insides starting to hang out, but I did not want to wear a huge tampon, did not want a pessary and certainly did not want an operation. I saw how many sites there are on the internet with women telling about their pain and how the prolapse fell back down within a couple of years. Some are suing for mesh problems as well. I was resigned to the fact that I would just live with this problem of hanging out and wearing supportive panties with a pad etc. However, I have good news for all of you. I am a test pilot for a new prolapse support that goes right under your own underwear. It is very easy to wear and it supports your prolapse bladder to keep it just inside the opening of your vagina, so it won't hang out. Its very easy to wear, affordable and comfortable. You even forget you have it on after you get use to it. It will be out on the market soon and I can't wait to tell others who suffer like I do that there is something you can wear to help support your prolapse. Hope to get back on here soon with more good news for those like me, that don't want an operation and not a candidate for a pessary or other devices that go inside of us. Blessings to all of you
Lynn
Replied By KT (Usa) on 03/05/2015
Just a word of caution about the "bladder" prolapse, which is really not the bladder. It is an accumulation of stool pushing against the vaginal wall that needs to be expelled. The tampon use is a temporary thing and helps push the stool, sometimes gas, out.Replied By Maggie (Oahu, Hawaii) on 03/31/2015
I would like more information on this newer product coming out to wear in underwear. I have stage 3 cystoceal and do not want to have surgery and hate wearing tampons.Replied By Lynn (Canada) on 05/01/2015
I heard of a new product support garment for the prolapse bladder that is worn underneath the existing underwear. This prolapse support garment does not cure the prolapse of course , but it stops the prolapse from protruding out of the vagina area. It can be worn for playing tennis, exercising, riding a bicycle etc. and again keeps the prolapse from falling out further. I will find the web site and write back if anyone wants to see this product.Replied By KT (Usa) on 05/02/2015
Hi Lynn, Tampons are not "huge" and if they are inserted correctly, you don't even know they're there. Since I posted last, I've given a lot of thought to what Deidre advised...she was right. That "bulge" or what is said to be your bladder is not. It is stool accumulating in the rectum and pressing against the vaginal wall.
Taking 1/2 tsp. dry mustard in 1/2 C cool water first thing in the morning, on an empty stomach, before breakfast helps a lot, but you still may need to manually push the prolapse back. I sometimes put Witch Hazel on toilet paper to shove it back.
As I have used one or two tampons for temporary "alignment" it helped the stool get back on track to stay in a tract for expulsion. Since my posts over two years ago, even in my old age, I seem to have had success in "shrinking" the rectum a little so a lot of stool does not accumulate (don't sit for long periods). I make a tea of 1/4 tsp. turmeric and 2/4-1/2 tsp. ginger and try to drink this a couple times a day. It can cause some bleeding but these both are reported to fight cancer.
I also learned that I have experienced intussusception, where the small intestines, colon and rectum can "telescope" anywhere along the tract and contributes to constipation. When this occurred, I stretched my "pipeline" so much, it became the same as excess skin when someone loses a lot of weight. I've had four colonoscopies and was told I had a torturous colon. I am done having those because the preparation is torturous due to the hidden sources of MSG.
If you just keep pushing the prolapse back, you're only causing stool to accumulate in the lower part of the rectum and, depending on what you eat, it could become malignant. Additional vitamin C can act as a stool softener or I have alternated two brands of probiotics, on occasion. I do not want to spend the rest of my life with a colostomy.
If you look at a diagram of the colon and rectum you will observe that just before the anus there are areas where stool can accumulate and, due to the "bends" can cut off circulation that would allow gangrene to occur.
This is only my opinion due to what I've experienced. If meals are spaced five to six hours apart with only water in between, this also helps with the much needed elimination to avoid prolapse.
There is a reason the gelatin capsules of the stool softeners contributed to my prolapse that I cannot put into words right now. I hope some of this information will help you.
Replied By Roseanna (Memphis) on 06/22/2015
Hi! My name is Roseanna. I have had pelvic prolapse of my bladder off and on for several years. Of late it is worse. I believe some heavy lifting caused it to worsen. And been terribly stressed with family issues. Saw my Gyno Dr and he put me on antibiotics, and referred me to a Uro Gyno Dr. We decided to wait on that consult as I asked if there was Pelvic Floor PT. I am loving it so far but it is slow and I want the cystocele to just improve like it has so often before. I would love the underwear. I am used to walking 2 miles several times a week but can't right now as I think it could make the prolapse worse. I am not giving up and will reverse this comdition with every natural healthy tool I can find! So am loving all the posts.Replied By KT (Usa) on 06/22/2015
Hi Roseanna, I am in my late sixties. I can't emphasize enough how much using the tampons can help. I need them less frequently than I did a couple years ago. I had used two when the prolapse was bad. Sometimes I'll use one to go to the store if I have it or even do some walking.
If you have a stool in the bathroom to put your feet on when inserting the tampon(s) it will help. I pour some Witch Hazel in the lid and dip the end of the tampon in it to cause it to "fan" out before insertion. Make sure the tampon is pushed out enough so the cardboard applicator does not get wet. That will make it difficult to push the tampon all the way out. There is another post here about using lubricating jelly on the tampon. Sometimes just inserting an applicator full of lubricating jelly a couple times a week helps.
Try to always keep your pelvic floor drawn in, like a constant Kegel. It will help strengthen those muscles. My Mar. 9,2013 post above, explains an exercise that I do.
Sleeping with one in helps keep things in alignment. It just varies on what I eat, but if you don't get that stool out you're headed for more problems. I read that the lining of the colon/rectum is only one cell thick. It seems to me that stool accumulation can cause stretching to the point of rupture. When I have bleeding I take 1/2 tsp. cayenne pepper in about 6 oz. of water. I eat a lot of garlic and that can cause bleeding too, so I don't panic when I see some blood.
I just read somewhere, swallowing a TBSP or two of coconut oil will help elimination. I am going to try that.
Replied By Evelyn (Los Angeles, Ca) on 10/01/2015
Thank you all so much for these great posts and info, have learned so much! Am going to get off the couch, which has only been making things worse, and the people I know with this problem only recommend surgery which I don't want to do especially because all of them are worse off with their surgeries, I certainly did not want that to be my alternative! Please let me know more about the prolapse support under garment. so glad I found you guys, and bless youReplied By Jilly (Usa) on 11/24/2015
Hi Evelyn,
I would love to hear more about this. Is it possible for you to post details here?
Replied By Marie (Baltimore) on 12/02/2015
Has anyone every heard of the new support item that goes under your underwear yet? Please let me know. thanks I can't find anything on it.Replied By KT (Usa) on 12/03/2015
Dear Marie,
I found this when I Googled "prolapse support underwear" I trust using the tampons...sometimes just an hour, sometimes longer. By my personal "clinical observation" I found that the gelatin capsule is what causes my prolapse. If I had not been involved with a consumer group a couple decades ago I would have never learned this fact. Everyone is different but I know this causes mine. It started with using the stool softeners.
Now, I alternate one of my probiotics that comes in a capsule. When I open the capsule and empty the contents in some food, I don't have a problem. If I take the entire capsule I will experience prolapse.
Deidre from Sydney, Australia is who brought the "toxic bowel" to my attention...my "prolapse" is accumulating stool. I used to have frequent UTI's and a problem with yeast until she advised me.
KT
Replied By Evelyn (Los Angeles, Ca) on 12/29/2015
Now that holiday's are over I can get back to my cystocele problems, I am going to get the undergarment cause people have posted it really works and it seems that it would, have been drinking half a cup of triple leaf herbal laxative, really helps in keeping colon clear gently and working on my posture another help, will keep you posted on the undergarment, have a great everyday!Replied By Grace (Berlin, Ct) on 01/23/2016
Did your prolapse correct itself after stopping the gelatin? I have been taking gelatin for about 7 weeks and noticed prolapse a few weeks ago. It's gotten very bad. I started to suspect and then read what you wrote.Replied By KT (Usa) on 01/24/2016
Dear Grace,
Stopping other sources of manufactured glutamic acid (MSG) is most important. There can be 11- 14 mg. of MSG in each capsule, depending on its size. The capsule is what pushed me over the edge, but I had been weeding sources of hidden MSG out of my diet for several years.
As another poster Deirdre advised, that bulge is toxic bowel in your rectum and you need to push that back into your gastrointestinal tract. Using a tampon help to push the prolapse back. Dipping the end in Witch Hazel to "fan" out and applying the lubricant jelly is what I had to do to keep from getting too dry.
It is only 56 degrees in here now, so it's difficult to keep scanning through posts looking for the one that explains what I learned about the ligaments and nerve cells. Ligaments hold everything in place. You need to use a tampon to push the prolapse back in place so new ligaments can form. The body is always trying to heal itself.
This is only my opinion from what I have been learning in dealing with my prolapse and I hope it will help you. KT
Replied By Gail (Usa) on 02/13/2016
The product that is fairly new for supporting a prolapse bladder etc is called the Hideaway. It goes right under your underwear and my friend uses it and so do I. We cannot wear a pessary or have surgery so this product works very well. Easy to wear and you cannot even feel it after you have it on for a few hours. All you have to do is go to the web site to see it at www.prolapsebladdersupport.com Hope this helps those of you who need to use something that does not have to inside of you and is user friendly.
Gail
Replied By Charity (Faithville, Usa) on 08/23/2016
To clear up some of the MSG issues here, MSG is processed by L- taurine( from eating organ meats)....so when you are low on L-Taurine then your body can't dispose of MSG. Gelatin can be healthy for you
Replied by Charity
Faithville, Us
04/13/2015 MSG, kills brains cells and makes you crave stuff and makes you fat.... I read in another site that MSG depletes the natural levels of taurine in the body and causes heart attacks. Supplementing with Taurine can put up a stronger defense in the body for accidental ingesting of MSG and displace any built up in your body.
Below in wiki are all the hidden names of MSG to deceive us into buying products that have it and cause addictions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosodium_glutamate
Replied By Chip (Canada ) on 01/06/2017
Re the Hideaway. I am not understanding how it can actually hold in the cystocele. Does something stick up into the vagina from the support or is it just a very tightened pad that supports the pelvic floor? ThanksReplied By Kathleen (Lehigh Acres, Fl) on 03/01/2017
Why do you feel gelatin capsules can cause prolapse bladder? I have never heard of this. Please explain.Replied By KT (Usa) on 03/02/2017
If you scroll down to my 9-21-2015 post, I explain. I mentioned about ligaments in another post too but it is too cold to sit here and look for it. Everyone is going to be affected differently. I cannot take capsules without causing problems confirmed again when recently taking Serrapeptase. By the piecemeal process of elimination for over two decades I have learned this.Replied By El (Tx) on 09/27/2017
Do you know if vegetarian Capsules also cause prolapse bladder or is just gelatin capsules?Replied By KT (Usa) on 09/28/2017
Dear El,
Yes they can. I cannot take the serrapeptase in the non-gelatin vegetable capsule and not experience a problem with prolapsed "bladder".
KT
Replied By Holly (Millersville) on 09/28/2017
Dear El,
I use gelatin capsules with nutmeg in them for my bladder prolapse, and it helps me so much. Gelatin capsules (vegetarian or not) may affect some for the worse, but not everyone.
Holly
Replied By KT (Usa) on 11/04/2017
Dear Charity, El, Holly and Kathleen,
By the process of elimination I learned to trust the people who went to the food industry and had products tested for the manufactured glutamic acid, "MSG" content. MSG is a nerve stimulant and can destroy nerve cells. There is an erosion (aging) going on that can get to a point for which there is no remedy. The post by Grace above (1-23-16) seems to imply what I tried to share.
KT
Replied By Margo (Sahuarita, Az) on 04/29/2018
Re: gelatin capsules. The prolapse I have just appeared about 1 month ago. I was given a suppository by my gyne that was boric acid plus whatever components go into the suppository. It was compounded, and very expensive. Found a Boric acid capsule that could do the same thing for 1/3 the cost. Began using it. After 3 weeks (I used it about 4 times withing the 3 weeks), I noticed the bulge for the first time. Went back to my Gyne, and she detailed what was happening. Didn't use the capsule, the bulge subsided. Used it again a week ago, the bulge came back. Will wait to see if this is the issue, and will begin using some of the products suggested on this website. Good to know there are people out there that are DIY'ers, and take charge of their own health!