KR (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) on 01/17/2008
Our next bout with pulmonary issues presented with our 8-year old who, just last year, had pneumonia in both lungs and has had ongoing issues with sinusitis and dry cough in the winter.
The final blow came with our 2-year old, who for close to 4 months was getting what they first diagnosed as bronchiolitis, then the next month, bronchitis, then back to bronchiolitis and back and forth, back and forth, never being cured and certainly not even relieved from this horrible outcome for much longer than a week at a time. The doctor just kept prescribing more antibiotics and different ones every time only to have it return worse and more ferocious than the previous attacks. Her cough was so powerful it would make the capillaries in her face burst and she couldn't hold down much, due to the force of her coughing and inevitably, suffered cough-induced vomiting (or was it the drugs or the infection, who knows?). That on top of fever often reaching as high as 103.5 and consistent reoccurrence of her sicknesses, just pushed me over the edge. My child's doctor was now telling me they didn't think it was bacterial, but rather viral since the infection didn't respond long term to the antibiotics and kept coming back. The doctor then informed me that if it was something viral, there was nothing they could do and she'd have to wait it out or possibly, could suffer for the rest of her life! Now do you think a mother and lover of her offspring is going to sit back and listen to dooms day regarding the very apple of her eye? There was not another moment to waste with the medical community so I got to work researching every extra moment I could find to get to the bottom of something natural to deliver us all from everything, including the asthma and sinusitis. I came across some natural but costly remedies for asthma that I wouldn't be able to try unless I made the initial investment which I knew we couldn't do so I kept looking...
Low and behold, I finally found it here on Earth Clinic. I intuitively knew it was the answer but was scared out of my mind to use it because there's not much info on how to apply it to children directly on this site or any other which is unfortunate because I believe the majority of asthma sufferers are children and the number one killer of children worldwide is pneumonia! Therefore, from my now new knowledge, it makes sense that the Munro HP Inhalation method is THE number one remedy for all such lung sickness (asthma, pneumonia, bronchitis, bronchiolitis, etc.). I prayed and asked God to direct my paths as I knew I was embarking on something extraordinary but unknown and unfamiliar to me. In complete and utter desperation for a remedy to relieve my children, I pulled out my Walmart brand 3% hydrogen peroxide from Aaron Industries, diluted it 1 part HP to 3 parts purified water (bottled water) and poured from that solution the little amount needed into the nebulizer capsule. During a violent cough attack, I began with my baby who breathed very little and INSTANTANEOUSLY, her cough disappeared as if she never had it to begin with. I then began giving her regular and daily treatments (2-4 per day and as much as she'd breath in one hit which often wasn't a lot because she wouldn't tolerate it for too long) of this same solution and very quickly noticed her lungs being cleared and no fever flair ups. After approximately one week, she was miraculously cured of that blasted virus that wouldn't let go!!! I took her back to the doctor for her follow-up shortly thereafter, and the doctor checked her lungs with her stethoscope. The doc dropped her jaw to the floor because I don't believe she even thought my baby would have bounced back so soon. I then informed her that I had found a natural remedy that I wouldn't share with her since it's so outside of her box. She concurred and stated she did not want to know what it was but on the flipside, she encouraged me to continue it because it actually works! I then gently "fired" her because she wanted to prescribe my baby on a daily regiment of steroids in the form of Pulmicort Respules using the nebulizer which I had already been there and done that with her sister for all these years. I apprised this doc that I, mom, would now not only be handling my childrens' infections but their asthma care as well (how empowering is that?!). Simultaneously, I began these same treatments for my asthmatic 6-year old because she was experiencing continual dry cough that previously would take many days and drugs to see any relief from. Again, INSTANTANEOUSLY, her cough dissipated and she'd go straight back to bed, able to sleep through the rest of the entire night without further disturbance. This was unheard of for all the years that we have suffered with her; we've endured many sleepless and restless nights. Now, whenever she coughs at night from her asthma, she gets what we dubbed 'natural nebulizer' and she really raves about it, no more racing heart and shakes from the after-effects of albuterol. For my 8-year old, the natural nebulizer initially helped her cough out some mucous but I prescribed her some ACV (regular, store-bought) in her juice every day and a lot of tea with honey which seemed to help her situation with sinusitis out even more. In a couple of weeks, she also was completely cleaned and cleared up.
For me personally, I started my menstrual cycle and began to experience my usual, incredibly painful headache. I wouldn't say a migraine but something close to it. I thought, why not, it'd be better than popping another pill (acetaminophen) with the potential of vomiting as has occurred to me in the past. I began our natural nebulizer treatments but upped the HP dosage a bit for myself and viola, my headaches disappeared instantaneously too and the treatments really made my heavy, achy body feel light and unloaded again. I began every two hours for up to two days and then experienced what I think could have been a cleansing but I'm not sure. I don't know if it was a cleansing because I normally get severe diarrhea at the onset of my menstruation. All I know is my stomach cramped up really bad and I could feel something fighting in there. The stool I passed would most certainly have been diarrhea as always in the past, but actually came out solid, though still soft. It was simply unbelievable! I felt 100% after that until later that night when my whole body ached and that nasty headache came firing back. I snuck downstairs so as not to awake my husband and took a natural nebulizer treatment which drove away the headache and enabled me to sleep through the rest of the night like a baby. The aches in my body left along with the headache and I was convinced that HP and I will never be apart again! There's a new one (remedy) for PMS. Currently, I only use these natural nebulizer treatments for dire necessities for myself and baby but more regularly on my asthmatic as she needs the maintenance. Thank you for hosting this site which I now visit daily to learn as much as I can. Thank you to all who contribute their input because we're all learning and growing together through the good and the bad knowing that 'all things work together for the good'
I just have a question for Ted in regard to the issue with hydrogen peroxide, used over a period of time, is it true that it erodes red blood cells as stated in the erroneous article about the South Carolina woman with MS who was injected with it IV? Can you address the red blood cell issue on that as I now understand that she died of the drugs NOT the HP treatments but would still like more info regarding the red blood cell issue.
Also, from my experience in dealing with small children especially, it is of critical importance that the HP inhalation method solution be diluted down considerably as they will not tolerate any stinging to their throat. As reported, I found the diluted solution to still do wonders for my children. Another side bar: I believe in treating children with the HP inhalation method, one should consider using a nebulizer machine instead of a spray bottle, the vapor is finer and more tolerable instead of just a mist and it's easier for them to handle the whole breathing in and out motion because the machine does so much more for them. I know in my state if a child is diagnosed with asthma, a doctor is legally bound to order the machine for them which will be delivered to your door free of charge. The reason for this being that sometimes asthma attacks are so acute that without this home treatment tool, one could die before arriving to a hospital so it is a liability issue for the doctor. My suggestion for those without this machine that are not able to pay for one is to take your child to the doctor and if not already diagnosed with asthma, get an asthma diagnosis and request that the doctor "fill a prescription" by ordering you a nebulizer machine. Just be sure not to disclose if you plan on using it as a natural nebulizer versus the nemesis (i.e. albuterol). I am not advocating dumping out your albuterol as I still keep some in case of emergencies but as far as using our natural nebulizer treatments for my asthmatic, so far so good as we have not had the need since for anything in our cupboard full of asthma-related drugs.
Another way I began using hydrogen peroxide since my discovery here is for my hair. I found the method described by someone on this site of putting the HP into your shampoo and shaking it up to clean your hair a little too harsh on my scalp. Instead, being a dirty blonde, I prefer the method of spraying straight 3% on my hair after a shower, while wet, and brushing it all the way through. This method has brightened my hair considerably, and my husband believes it looks better than a $300.00 professional color treatment. I am now back to a bouncing blonde, natural and highlighted looking instead of that chemical, bleached look. I just turned 40 two days ago and now look again closer to 30 thanks to that invaluable substance, hydrogen peroxide.
Anyway, I better try to keep this under 2000 words but I have been boosted, encouraged and empowered by the information that originated on this site. Thanks again for a job well done!
EC: KR, Ted has responded to your question on https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/hydrogen_peroxide_questions.htmlReplied By April (Colorado) on 01/26/2008
Replied By Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 02/11/2008
For example, I was an asthmatic myself and was greatly helped with just vitamin A, and baking soda. My body at the time was acidosis and lacking in vitamin A and vitamin A helped increase the mucus reducing the resistance. Hence, I later found vitamin E to be helpful.
As to a high fever issue, HP shines well especially with fever, viruses, pneumonia and bacteria. It kills it.
Asthmatic is not a condition of pathogens in many cases, it is a reaction to a foreign toxins, in which case detoxification is a more useful way to reduce "reactions". In my books asthmatics and allergies has the same issue. In which case chlorella/spirulina, adding 5 drops of 3% H2O2, in a glass of water, and the use of baking soda such as 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda in 1/2 glass of water, or perhaps the use of 2 tablespoon of apple cider vinegar and 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda.
Natural remedies and natural therapies are inseparable when we treat the cause, not the methods to cure a given condition. The cause is the foundation to proper use of natural therapies. Hence, asthma is often a toxins initiated by vaccinations, aspartame, toxic heavy metals, thinners, for example, being the most common of all toxins.
Replied By Joyce (Joelton, Tn) on 02/29/2008
Replied By KR (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) on 03/02/2008
In terms of asthma, I have since come to learn that the H202 inhalation therapy is good for them only to replace the antibiotics that they constantly get prescribed when they have asthma outbreaks, or attacks. The typical regime has been the Dr. giving them antibiotics to control infection of the phlegm lodged in their lungs. I now forego that and replace, when needed, with the HP. I also use the HP as a treatment if they have fever or cold or flu to eliminate the virus or bacteria altogether.
When I was using H202 therapy to treat my daughter's asthma after an outbreak, I discovered that her wet cough turned into a very persistent, dry cough. The HP actually PULVERIZED her mucous, much like chalk on a board. It became immovable and impossible to clear. That is when I returned her to her asthma meds (steroids and albuterol) which in turn loosened the phlegm again to where she could expectorate it. I did notice that after she was able to eliminate the phlegm, her return to recovery was much faster which I, nonetheless, attribute to the HP.
I thus found that the HP inhalation does not deal directly with the asthma as far as inflammation control and other pressing issues that asthmatics must address. Instead, to keep the asthma at bay, I am now experimenting with coconut oil as a supplement for both girls (age 7 and 2 1/2) as a direct result from a post here on Earth Clinic from another mom who has been using it successfully on her asthmatic daughter.
After still much more research and seeking, I am currently also experimenting with another promising natural, alternative therapy that I will post later here on EC if successful. This one is actually nowhere yet on this site so I believe can potentially help many more people such as myself in the future.
Replied By Joyce (Joelton, Tn.) on 03/05/2008
You didn't mention what time of year their seasonal allergies occur. Whatever season, it is an inhalant allergy (the pollens entered their bodies while inhaling. All four of my children had spring and fall problems that usually started with clear running noses, followed by coughing, progressed to yellow running noses and ended up with bronchitis , fever and ear infections. I never figured out what caused it initially until I acquired a mixed rat terrier doggy who coughed so bad the first fall we had him, I thought he had distemper, but he started improving before I carried him to the vet. When little doggy started the same cough the following spring, My aha button beeped and I realized that I had acquired an allergic doggy and connecting allergies to pollen from blooming plants, and since the dog stayed outside more than the kids did, I went outside to try to find the triggering offender. Lo and behold the only thing I found blooming was the big elm tree just outside my front door. It wasn't very eye-catching; just an ugly fringy mess. I guess that is why I never noticed it before! My aha sent me to our family doctor to request the prescription which was required to obtain it at that time. When he started writing, I asked him to just give me at least a pint, or preferably quart since I would be giving it to 4 kids,myself and our dog. He wrote it for a quart then and every time I needed it after. I don't know the topography in Cucamonga, but that elm tree became my alert to start benadryl in the spring and kept them on it 4 times a day until all the trees leafed out good before stopping it. Goldenrod was my cue to restart the benadryl in the fall and I kept them on it until the first killing frost. Voila, no more seasonal allergies ending up with infections and loss of sleep on my part while administering all the antibiotics and trying to combat the pain, not to the cost.
The problem is to figure out what is triggering their seasonal allergies and start the benadryl (diphenhydramine HCL) before the symptoms start. If you are concerned about long term antihistamines. I attended a workshop [probably 15 or 20 years later and listened to a man teaching pediatric medicine who said the same thing and that they had kept some children on it continuously for 4 years at a time without any problems. If you can't find their triggering causes, you may have to go that route. Another thing you might try is a tsp. of unprocessed honey at bedtime. Be sure it is processed within 50 miles of where you live and D0 NOT GIVE IT TO YOUR BABY UNTIL IT IS ONE YEAR OLD. When I first heard of this, I began trying to figure out the rationale behind it. The conclusion: bees produce honey from pollen collected within that 50 miles radius; therefore the honey is doing the same thing the expensive allergy desensitation injections do - delivering minute amounts of pollen to desensitize them to those pollens - but a lot cheaper and less painful. Honey also has some antibiotic effect. Keep up the good work and keep your hands on those reins!
In parting, I'll share another young doctors lecture before the one mentioned above. He stated that antihistamines made no difference in middle ear infections but emoving bad tonsils did. I disagreed with him and apparently insulted him and his medical sponsors when I asked what time of the year the studies he was quoting was done. His answer was he didn't know but he assumed it was winter.When I told him that speaking as the mother of 4 (2 with tonsils and 2 without), that tonsillectomies made absolutely no difference in middle ear infections but the intelligent use of benadryl did; but you needed to start it with the earliest symptoms or before they started if you figure out your signals for starting it before symptoms began. After my experiences with my own children, the first question I asked the parent was if the child tended to have ear infections in the spring and fall. When the answer was "yes", I found that antibiotics and antihistamines were necessary to get them well but I advised them to watch for the elm trees to bloom in the spring and the goldenrod in the fall to know when to start the benadryl and also when it was safe to stop it. Voila, the same regimen worked for my little patients the same as it did for my own children. All 4 of my children continued to have the ear infections despite having tonsils removed from the first and third child. With the prevention outlined above, none of them had any more ear infections until 2 of them got external otitis (called swimmer's ear) at different times in their teens. Hope you figure out your cues, if not, don't be afraid to continue it longer and if you're getting the benadryl over the counter you can double the dosage because most prescription drugs that are moved to OTC status are recomended at one-half the amount usually prescribed. We already had my granddaughter on 25mgms of benadryl 4 times a day when I took her for 2 year checkup. When asked how she was doing, my reply was that thanks to l tsp. of benadryl 4 times each day she was fine. The doctor said to make sure she didn't get too sleepy with that dose. My little one was happily playing while we talked, which is why I laughed when replying: "Does she look sleepy to you now? She had the last dose 1 dose 1 hour ago.
Replied By KR (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) on 03/05/2008
I am just unfamiliar with Benadryl or diphenhydramine HCL and its pharmaceutical contents, or ingredients. I am concerned with the long-term use of anything that is manufactured chemically. Perhaps my concern is invalidated as I have heard of mothers giving it to little ones, especially on long flights to sedate them, used somewhat to have a tranquilizer effect. But of course, that is temporary application. This is unfamiliar territory for me but I thank you for your input and it really gives me food for thought and more reason to research this Benadryl substance. It certainly sounds like a better alternative to the heavy drugs that are typically used for asthmatics and allergy sufferers but I'm still holding out for that all natural approach which I believe I have now found but will continue to test on my daughter before posting.
Replied By KR (Rancho Cucamonga, CA) on 02/01/2008