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Puneeth (Hyderabad, Ap/india) on 09/23/2012

Hi Every One, My Father is suffering from Liver cirrhosis and water accumulation started an year back. Since an year the water was suctioned for 7 times and Doctors now tell Liver transplant is the only way out. I cant take him to DR Berkson as I am from India. Can you help me with the dosages of ALA, selenium and milk thistle as well as any way out any any exists. I am emotionally down and need you help ASAP.

Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 09/23/2012

Hi Puneeth... Normally the Berkson protocol also includes ALA by IV several times a month, but his essential internal protocol is the following:

ALA -- 300 mgs taken twice a day at mealtimes.
Selenium -- 200 micrograms taken twice a day with meals.
Milk Thistle -- 900 mgs taken twice a day at meals.

Dr Berkson also uses Low Dose Naltrexone, Cysteine and a full vitamin and mineral protocol as well in his remedy. Also taking all the B vitamins daily is important because ALA tends to use up the B vitamns in the body. And if you can't go to Dr Berkson's Clinic in New Mexico, then perhaps your local doctor in India can just contact him by email or phone to find out the exact details of how he administers ALA by IV so that your local doctor can do the IV procedure for your father locally in India. Here is Dr Berksons webstite:

http://drberkson.com/officeinfo.html

Replied By Wayseeker (Modesto, Ca/ Usa) on 09/27/2012

Have you looked into BHT? It could really help with this condition, according to results people are getting. But, I think it isn't as effective when used with milk thistle extract, as I recall. --T.

Replied By beverly (Usa) on 10/07/2023
I question the safety of BHT..............can anyone elaborate?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35546987/

Replied By Puneeth (Hyderabad, Ap/india) on 09/29/2012

Hi Bill, Thanks for you reply. Have some quick question regarding the dosage of Milk Thistle. is it 900mg per day or 900 X 2 per day?

Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 09/29/2012

Hi Puneeth... The dosage for Milk Thistle is 900 mgs which is taken twice a day. The total dosage per day is 1800 mgs.

Replied By Reggie (Secunderabad. Andhra Pradesh, India, Andhra Prades) on 05/24/2013

Dear Friends, My wife is 53 years old and is suffering from liver cirrhosis. She has been in hospital for times and is now back at home. She has become very weak and requires help to be walk to the toilet, dining table etc. The doctors have said that she should undergo a liver transplant and it is frightfully expensive 20 Lakh Rupees and there is no gurantee if the operation wil be successful.

I am very worried for her. We have two small children (twin) girls of age 9 and I would have to sell everything that I have to put up for the operation. Also since she is soo weak, I am not sure if she they would be able to do a operation.

I have seen a Mail from Punneth who lives in Hyderabad and his father had a problem with his liver. Would want to know how if he got cured and also as to how to get ALA and the rest of the suggested remidial medicines.

Would greatly appreciate your help and advice.

Reggie

Replied By Oscar (Syracuse, New York) on 05/24/2013

Dear Reggie from India, There have been some people reporting success with BHT [ butylated hydroxytoluene ] for advanced cases of liver damage. As sick as your wife is, she needs to use caution if she chooses to try this treatment. By that I mean start out with a very low dose of BHT and slowly work up to the larger doses discussed here and elsewhere. I would think no more than 50mg of BHT per day and over a week ramp up the dose used to 250mg of BHT per day. See how she does at 250mg per day for at least two weeks to see how it effects her. If her condition gets worse always lower the dose of BHT used. Here is what S. From Sacramento has to say about BHT and advanced liver disease as reported here in this forum:

03/23/2012: S from Sacramento, California replies: "Hello everyone, I
would like to post my results after a little over a month of BHT 2x a day 350.
These results are amazing. I have normal liver function thanks to this forum.
Thank you, Oscar!!
> > Now
> > Ast 19 (13-39)
> > Alt 30 (7-52)
> > Ggt 20 (9-64)
> > Bilirubin total 0. 2 Low ( 0. 3-2. 0)
> > Before I was told in 2006 that I had stage 4 liver damage due to my hepC
that my counts were in the millions with this other test done by oncologist."

I think this BHT treatment just might work for your wife also because of BHT`s proven and well documented ability to deactivate harmful chemical entities know as free radicals and reactive oxygen species. These harmful chemical entities are assoociated with liver damage and play a big role in causing such damage. The BHT has worked for S. From Sacramento and some others with very damaged livers also. Of course I can NOT guarantee success. But from what you have reported your wife is running out of other options....Oscar

Replied By Reggie (Secunderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India) on 05/25/2013

Dear Oscar, Thank You for your reply. My wife has been diagnosed with liver cirrhosis grade II. She has never ever had alcohol in her life. Please let me know as to how does one get the BHT as recommended by you, in India. Is there a place that I can purchase this medicine from in India? Appreciate your reply. Regards, Reggie

Replied By Oscar (Syracuse, New York) on 05/26/2013

Dear Reggie from India, Here is the website of a company that claims to be a " Worldwide Distributor " of BHT and other health supplements:

http://www.nutri.com/index.cfm/product/31_17/butylated-hydroxytoluene-bht.cfm

If for any reason that company does not sell to India try a google search to find one that does.

Also, do you know the cause of your wife`s cirrhosis ? What have the doctors told you the cause of your wife`s cirrhosis is ? I am surprised that these doctors are talking about a liver transplant for someone with stage 2 liver cirrhosis. Though obviously any cirrhosis is not good, stage 2 is not as bad as stage 4. Stage 4 is where S. From Sacramento was when he or she pulled through, got well with this BHT treatment. So don`t get so discouraged. I think there is a very good chance your wife can recover and am hoping this BHT can help her a lot. She should also be taking some vitamin B12 in a dose of 1mg per day. Vitamin B12 is sold in micrograms [ mcg ] dosages. One mg is the same as 1,000mcg. So do not confuse that. She wants to be taking 1,000mcg [ micrograms ] of vitamin B12 per day. Some vitamin C will also help. I think 500mg of vitamin C is a safe and effective dose to take. Also, a low fat diet is recommended for people with liver disease. Eating a healthy diet with some moderate use of vitamins can go a long ways in helping people with liver disease. If she has hepatitis vitamin E supplements should NOT be taken. Does your wife have hepatitis ? Has she been tested for hepatitis B and C or not ? It is important to know what caused this cirrhosis of her liver to occur. The BHT can also help a lot with hepatitis B and C. Give the BHT a try along with the vitamins I discussed. 250mg of BHT with water on an empty stomach has worked for many people. If she tolerates that dosage well it may help to go to the two doses of BHT per day. But only if she tolerates the one dose per day with no problems. There is THE NEW BHT CURES GROUP if you wish to join. I am a moderator there and there are other people there focusing on helping people with liver disease. Here is that website:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_New_BHT_Cures_Group/

Stay in touch and keep this forum updated on your wife`s condition. I very much hope this BHT treatment works as well for your wife as it has for many other people. Sincerely, ...Oscar

Replied By Baldev (Mumbai, Maharashtra, India) on 05/27/2013

Hi Raggie, I am in Mumbai and I had procured BHT some time ago and it is for " LAB USE ONLY ". If Oscar could confirm for it's use, and if you have some one to collect it from me, I will be more than happy to give it. Baldev (09322887066)

Replied By Reggie (Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh India) on 05/31/2013

Dear Mr Baldev, Thank You So Much, Shall call and speak with you and also shall make arrangements for some one to collect it from you.

Dear Oscar, My wife was tested for Hepatitis B&C and it was negative. The doctors do not know as to what is the cause of the Cirrhosis. One Gastro doctor who we were consulting said that it could be due to fatty liver. I will surely join the group and keep you updated about the health of my wife. I will definitely like to use your recommendation as mentioned in your mail.

Thank You So Much
Reggie

Replied By Reggie (Secunderabad, Andhra Pradesh India) on 06/02/2013

Dear Mike, Thank You so much for writing in. Shall surely use your input. Shall keep you and the team posted about her progress. Regards, Reggie

Replied By Catherine (Wellington, New Zealand) on 07/30/2013

Dear Reggie, I have great sympathy for your wife's predicament and I'm sure she has had numerous tests to find out why she has cirrhosis, but possible that an iron storage disorder could be implicated. Apparently, severe liver damage occurs above ferritin levels of 1000.

Replied By Sandy (Naperville, Chicago) on 09/06/2013

Hello Reggie,

What kind of medicines you need from USA? and which you do not get in India. Please let me know, I can send it. My friend's parents are coming to Hyderabad on 3rd October. I can buy it here and send it to you. Please reply immediately.

Replied By Roy (Thailand) on 03/26/2014

Its worth while googling RSO Rick Simpson Oil and cancer. If you are in India then finding the ingredients to make some oil or at least some cannabis butter. many 'terminal patients' who'd been sent home to die by their doctors have had the cancer completely clear up By putting drop of oil under their tongue a few times a day. Amazing results!

I have HCV and my liver has been thru a lot over the years but I've also been fasting and juicing regularly for 3 decades. Which maybe why I'm still alive when many of my old friends aren't. Sadly where I live it's very illegal to use cannabis oil.

I recommend taking some turmeric everyday and selenium, milk thistle, and ALA if u can get some (I mix a drink everyday of turmeric cinnamon cayenne black pepper and flaxseed oil in water or freshly juiced veg which goes down very nicely and can feel it doing good inside) best of luck to you both.

Replied By beverly (Texas) on 09/27/2024
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A 62 year old woman developed a severe acute hepatitis 14 months after starting turmeric. No other cause for the liver injury was identified. The liver injury did not improve with stopping turmeric and within 3 weeks she demonstrated evidence of acute liver failure. She was listed for liver transplantation but developed an acute myocardial infarction and rapidly developed multiorgan failure and died within 5 weeks of onset. Chemical analysis was done on the herbal product which demonstrated the presence of turmeric without black pepper or other potentially hepatotoxins or herbs. The patient was negative for HLA-B*35:01. The case was judged to be only “probable” liver injury due to turmeric. Against the diagnosis was the long latency (greater than a year), lack of improvement with stopping the herbal product, and absence of HLA-B*35:01.

Replied By Mike (Rocklin, Ca) on 10/06/2014

If you are still looking for BHT, you can get it off eBay, Amazon, or online in general. I mean let me know what's up.

Replied By Jamie (San Diego) on 01/08/2016

hi my name is Jamie and my brother has A.L.L leukemia and after about 8 rounds of chemo he now has liver damage and kidney problems. I have been reading about the A.L.A milk thistle and selenium and would like to know if we can treat him with this combination will the fact that he has leukemia change anything and if I can give him this combination, what is the does please help .....as of yesterday the hospital he is in is saying there is nothing else they can do for him.

I am leaving to go to him tomorrow and I have gotten the selenium 200mcg the milk thistle in 1300 mg and the A.L.A in 600 mg please let me know asap thank you.

Replied By Elaine (Ky) on 01/09/2016

I would certainly try it. See also castor oil packs on this site. Very helpful for the liver.

Replied By Msha (Amsterdam) on 09/28/2024
When self-treating with herbal and other natural remedies bought on Amazon and elsewhere, after listening to the online gurus of all sorts, relying on dubious studies always check your liver an kidney markers. Just go to any lab no doctor's script needed. Do it regularly.

Replied By Ruralady (Illinois) on 09/28/2024
Nope, not here in America. You do need an Rx before getting major testing done. I don't know of any labs here that check it w/o a healthcare provider's order. Hepatic and renal function tests are ONLY ordered by a licensed professional. Maybe in some states they do Naturopathic testing but even then those "doctors" have to have state licensing.

Replied By MM (OR) on 09/29/2024
Not true. Go to privatemdlabs (or other) site, select the tests, select the lab, pay and go at your convenience. Get results electronically.
basic liver function $37

https://www.privatemdlabs.com/tests?q=Liver+function&view=search_results&ven=&f=h

kidney function profile $53

https://www.privatemdlabs.com/tests?q=Kidney+function&view=search_results&ven=&f=h

I have been doing that for more than a decade. My sister from another country gets her tests done when she visits. It is that easy.

I think NY is the only state that doesn't allow that .

Complex tests of course require a script

Replied By Ruralady (Illinois) on 09/29/2024
I know now what you're saying, you can also get those kits on Amazon BUT for every positive review there are more negative ones, esp when it comes to private lab testing...

Replied By Brad (LA) on 09/30/2024
Labcorp tests on demand:

liver health test $79
https://www.ondemand.labcorp.com/lab-tests/liver-health-test

Quest Diagnostics: Advanced liver function test

https://www.questhealth.com/product/advanced-fatty-liver-disease-panel-12734M.html

By going to privatemdlabs site you will be offered a choice of testing sites in your area. That is very convenient - you don't have to go to each lab site to see if they offer “consumer on demand” testing.

Replied By MM (OR) on 09/30/2024
You are misinformed. The testing is done by the accredited labs such as Questdiagnostics and LabCorp ( in my state).

You pay online, via a “middle man” so to speak, then you go to Quest Diagnostics or LabCorp for testing. Even hospitals (complex tests) and doctors offices send the collected blood samples to these labs.

Alternatively, you can go to the accredited lab site, select the test, pay, then go for the testing. Basic tests a such as liver and kidney function don't require doctor's script.

Direct-to consumer-lab testing:

The American Society for Clinical Laboratory Science highlighted the states that allow direct-to-consumer lab testing, along with those that limit and prohibits it:

Allow DTC or DAT: AK, AR, DE, DC, IN, IA, KS, LA, MN, MS, MO, MT, NE, NM, NC, ND, OH, OK, SD, UT, VT, WA, WV, WI, TX, and VA

Limit DTC or DAT: AZ, CA, CO, FL, IL, ME, MD, MA, NV, NJ, OR, and NY

Prohibits DAT: AL, CT, GA, HI, ID, IA, KY, MI, NH, PA, RI, SC, TN, and WY

https://www.personalabs.com/blog/ordering-your-own-lab-tests-a-comprehensive-guide/#:~:text=State Laws and Direct-to-Consumer Lab Testing, -Even though DTC&text=Allow DTC or DAT: AK,, NJ, OR, and NY

I don't do my labs at Amazon. I have yet to investigate what they do.. I don't buy supplements, herbs etc. on Amazon either, unless the are sold by an authorized distributor. Boiron for example sells on Amazon, it would state that the seller is Boiron.

Replied By Michael (WA) on 10/01/2024
You get testing done in the actual lab. Testing kits is something totally different.

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