Lisa (Lafayette, La) on 04/12/2012

I began corresponding with a Dr. via email who wrote a few books. He put my husband on this protocol: morning - 300 mg. Magnesium, 500 to 1000 mg. Sodium ascorbate (vit. C), 500 mg. L-carnitine, 200 mcg. Selenium, 500 mg. IP-6, 100 mg. Co-q-10, 800 mcg (or mg. , however they measure it) of d-3, 100 mg. K-2, 100 mg. Quercetin. We get all capsules or powder, except for the d-3 and co-q-10, which are tiny enough for him to swallow, and I put it in a small cup, mix with about an oz of orange juice, and he drinks it up. With the exception of the selenium, repeat in evening, right before bed. Sounds like a lot, but do it. His heart palps stopped in their tracks. If he gets careless and adds a lot of sugar and a beer or two to his diet, it will recur. Palps stopped within a 2 week period or so. Keep up the regimen daily, if you want your life back.

If you feel one coming on during the day, take some magnesium powder in o.j. , maybe 500 mg. or so. It calms them right down. Also, fill pot or bucket with ice water, dunk your face into it, and rub it on your arms and wrists. This will stop palps in their tracks. As far as the motherwort and hawthorn, I ordered both thru vitacost. com, and they are coming in the mail any day, to keep on hand for emergencies. You can get your life back, it just takes diligence. Oh, yeah, above all; prayer is the ultimate healer. Ask God for his help. He has guided us through this. God is so good!

Replied By Hollyhock (America ) on 01/02/2024

Kristi from PA,,, I had palpitations back when I was doing the keto diet. I had read on EC about the many benefits of organic unsulphered black strap molasses and started taking 1 tablespoon each morning. After a week or so it occurred to me that my palpitations had completely stopped! I was very surprised because that wasn't why I started the molasses! Good luck, I know how unnerving it can be!

Replied By Talassis (Kenya) on 01/02/2024

Try 3 tablespoons of flaxseed (mill it before use) & add to 4oz of organic milk.

Replied By Norma (NYC) on 01/03/2024

It could be anything not just magnesium deficiency. What else you're taking in terms of prescription medication and supplements? See if it could possibly cause palpitations. If nothing, I'd start with an appointment with an acupuncturist and a homeopath. Some acupuncturists are trained in homeopathy as well. Trust me, I have POTS for 12 years and end up in a hospital at least twice a year with all kinds of heart “ acrobatics”. They just observe me. So if you have tried magnesium and other remedies and it's not helping and your electrolytes, glucose are normal time to see alternative modalities professionals. Also, try, if you can find these 2 homeopathic remedies. I could only find Cactus Grandiflorus in a tincture form, which I'm going to try, but perhaps homeopaths do have it or know where to find it.

Naja Tripudians

• Common Name: Venom of the cobra
• Symptoms: The remedy suits individuals who are sad, depressed and have suicidal thoughts along with chest pain.
• Following symptoms are peculiar to this remedy. They help to distinguish from other remedies depending on the symptoms of the individual.
• Pain and heaviness in the heart region
• A Sensation of weight in chest near the heart region.
• Chest pains radiate to the nape of neck and left shoulder.
• Excessive fear of death with anxiety.
• Along with chest pain and heart-related symptoms, there is pain in forehead and temples.
• Rapid heartbeats.
• Pain as if some stitches have been made in the chest region.
• Difficulty in breathing.
• Fear of being alone is constant. Fear of rain is also marked.
• The person feels better in open air.

Cactus Grandiflorus

• Common Name: Night blooming cereus
• Symptoms: Following symptoms indicate the need for this remedy.
• Breathlessness along with a constant feeling of weight on chest.
• Feeling of constriction in chest which makes breathing difficult.
• Swelling of diaphragm (a layer of muscle separating the chest from abdomen)
• Rapid heartbeats with pain moving towards the left arm.
• Consistent sensation as if an iron band is tied around chest.
• Cold sweat and anxiety.
• Low blood pressure
• Pulse is weak and feeble.

Replied By Kristi (PA) on 03/03/2024

I'm taking quite a few supplements for quite a few things. But, I would love some insight, maybe someone will see something that could be causing it.

• Biotin 500mg (once a day) - 1 pills - 500mg (hair and nails)
• Collagen (twice a day) - 4 pills (joint pain and recovery)
• Acetyl L-Carnitine 500mg (twice a day, am, pm) - 4 pills - 2000mg (recovery, fat burning, etc)
• Glutamine 1g (twice a day) - 2 pills - 2grams (recovery/exercise)
• Dopa Mucana - 2 pills in the morning
• Vimerson health - Turmeric Chondontrin 3 pills (inflammation, joint pain, recovery)
• Zinc 15mg (once a day at night) - 1 pill - 15mg (sleep)
• Iron (once a day in the am usually) - 1 pill 18mg
• Vitamin e-400 (once a day usually in the am) - 2 pills 268mg each (536mg)
• Vitamin D3 (once a day usually in the am) - 2 pills - 10,000 UI (I stopped taking D3 despite the benefits because I thought maybe this is the issue)
• Vitamin B12 (once a day) - 2 pills a day - 10,000mcg (tiredness)
• Magnesium Citrate - 420mg, 4 a day
• Inositol 500mg (3 times a day) - 5 pills (am, pm, before bed) 2500mg (Twitches/OCD/Panic)
• I just started Berberine about 1 month ago.

Depression Protocol:

• L-Tyrosine (only during the day, not at night) - 1 pill 500 mg
• Curcumin 500mg (twice a day) - 2 pills (am, pm) - 1000mg
• NAC 600mg pills (twice a day) - 2 pills (am, pm) 1200mg
• L-Theanine: 200 MG - Fine on empty stomach
• Fish OIl 2000mg (twice a day, am, pm) - 2 pills - 2000mg
• Vitamin B6 - 3 times a week (2 melts per)

Replied By Kristi (PA) on 03/03/2024

Thanks for the suggestion! I did my usual breakfast this morning, with Mag Citrate after because that seems to have KINDA been working for me. On those ROUGH days it just barely gets me by. And I tried your suggestion of flax seed with coconut milk and for the heck of it blackstrap added. It was pretty good. I have no idea doing that every day lol. CAN I do it everyday?

I can physically FEEL my heart trying to regulate. Like I get a little flutter and then it goes away.

Heart palpitations are terrible, I think they suck even more for people with anxiety because you start to think "Omg, am I dying?" lmao. Panic sets in quick when you have anxiety and anything goes wrong.

Replied By Norma (NYC) on 01/03/2024

Forgot to add that every time I hold my smartphone in my hands I start getting palpitations. I kid you not. That is why it is always at least a foot from my body when I don't use it and I prefer to do everything else on my MAC, including talking via FaceTime, signal etc.

Replied By Art (California) on 03/03/2024

Hi Kristi,

A quick look at your list and I think these have the potential to potentially cause palpitations in some people :

1. L Tyrosine

2. Fish Oil

3. L Theanine

4. Possibly the Mucuna

5. You didn't say how long since you stopped vitamin D3, but if it has been months low vitamin D3 can affect electrolytes so an indirect possibility.

6. NAC

Art

Replied By Kristi (PA) on 03/04/2024

Hi Art! You helped me with my insomnia about a year ago lol. Thanks for your input!

Out of the ones you listed, I had been using Tyrosine, fish oil, Theanine, Mucuna and NAC only until very recently and I've had the heart palps for longer than that time. I started taking these for S.A.D. So that's probably not it.

I started to take the S.A.D stuff on or around December 3,2023.

For the Vitamin D I only stopped taking about 4 days ago.

I should mention my birthday is on March 9th and I will be 43. I was thinking maybe I COULD be in Perimenopause. I really hope that if that is the case, I am not going to have to be living with heart palps for 4 to 11 years lol.

I've hardly ever had these in my life and tend to be pretty healthy despite a few issues like anxiety and S.A.D so feeling out of sorts is pretty uncomfortable.

Heart palps started 2 months before the S.A.D supplements were started.

Replied By Lola (Toronto) on 03/04/2024

I can relate to Fish oil! Fish oil can cause palpitation in some people, even there are tons of information that it is very good for heart support

Replied By Lola (Toronto) on 03/04/2024

Vitamin D3! Taking large doses of vitamin D can induce severe depletion of Mg, and lack of Mg can cause palpitations.

Replied By Art (California) on 03/04/2024

Hi Kristi,

I'm glad you were able to improve the insomnia situation! What did you use for the insomnia, I can't remember the post.

The following study suggests that aside from melatonin's beneficial heart effects it may also help with arrythmia. Not quite the same as palpitations, but in the same area of heart health :

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/omcl/2021/8876792/

Here is a relevant study quote :

' Despite the knowledge on repairing mechanisms in the cardiovascular system, effective antiaging strategies able to reduce the risk of arrhythmias are still missing. Melatonin is a promising therapeutic candidate due to its pleiotropic actions. This indoleamine regulates chronobiology and endocrine physiology. Of relevance, melatonin is an antiaging, antioxidant, antiapoptotic, antiarrhythmic, immunomodulatory, and antiproliferative molecule. This review focuses on the protective effects of melatonin on age-induced cardiac functional and structural alterations, potentially becoming a new fountain of youth for the heart. '

I think the melatonin lotion I wrote about, would be an easy way to get enough and be good for your skin wherever you apply it.

Btw, several of the other supplements you are taking are noted for helping palpitations, but apparently not in your case. Keep us posted on what you find out.

Art

Replied By Kristi (PA) on 03/06/2024

Hi Art!

We ended on Magnesium Oil Spray, Melatonin 5mg, Zinc 15mg and if I know I am going to have a harder time, I add a little chamomile lol. Sleep like a baby. I stopped the melatonin because it was making me groggy so I only do that once in a blue moon! (The article was also in conjunction with Nocturia) but jeez now you say there is a connection between melly and possibly helping with heart palpitation or arrythmia?

Hm interesting. Might have to start taking melatonin again lol. I know they mention a few different doses in that article about melatonin and arrythmia, is there a specific dosage you would suggest I try? 5mg makes me a zombie in the morning.

Here is your article.

https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/art-solbrig-insomnia-protocol.html

My glowing review is still there lol.

So far the Flax Seed ground up with Coconut milk and BSM seems to be working, though I can still feel a little "fluttering" in my chest and a little shortness of breath.

But, then these heart palps have been going on for a long while so maybe whatever I depleted (magnesium?!?) just needs time to regulate again. I'll keep doing that along with the 420mg of magnesium citrate.

Thanks to Art and everyone else that is is helping!

Replied By Art (California) on 03/06/2024

Hi Kristi,

Thank you for the reminder, I remember it now and your glowing report! I'm glad you found your answer for insomnia because many people never do.

I just realized, looking at your list of supplements that you don't have potassium on there. I was too busy looking at your list in terms of which supplements had the potential to cause palpitations, so I wasn't really looking at it in terms of what might be missing that could help alleviate palpitations.

The hard part about supplementing potassium is that it is only available in 99 mg capsules or tablets whereas 1600 - 2000 mg/day is thought to be adequate, but I doubt that that is an optimal dose for adults who may be hypokalemic and some people go substantially higher, but you can see that if you are low, you're going to have to swallow a bunch of those 99 mg pills everyday. There isn't an established RDA for potassium and that seems to add to the problem. The following Healthline article says that getting 3500 mg to 4700 mg/day of potassium from various foods is possible and healthful :

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-much-potassium-per-day

Here is a relevant article quote :

' Potassium is an essential mineral for health. Getting between 3, 500 milligrams and 4, 700 milligrams a day from tomatoes, spinach, sweet potatoes, and other fruits and vegetables may lower your risk of kidney stones, stroke, and high blood pressure. '

Here is an article discussing the relationship of potassium and palpitations :

https://ufhealth.org/conditions-and-treatments/low-blood-potassium#:~:text=Symptoms, skipped heart beats or palpitations

Interestingly, the following article suggests that low potassium (hypokalemia) can cause the following symptoms :

' Hypokalemia may mimic neurovegetative symptoms, such as weakness, lethargy, apathy, fatigue, and depressed mood (2). Additionally, hypokalemia can mimic anxiety reactions, such as headache, irritability, nervousness, paresthesias, visual disturbances, and muscle discomfort (3). '

These symptoms seem similar to some SAD symptoms.

Here is a link to that article :

https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp-rj.2016.111103#:~:text=Hypokalemia may mimic neurovegetative symptoms, and muscle discomfort (3).

Further, blackstrap molasses contains a significant amount of potassium. You didn't say how much you are taking so I don't know exactly how much potassium the BSM is delivering, but it has fairly high content as foods go.

Have you had your potassium level checked recently??? If not, perhaps you might consider it.

One way that people avoid having to take a bunch of potassium pills is by buying potassium in bulk powder and then mixing their dose of potassium powder in orange juice and drinking it. If you try and reach those dosing levels with pills, that's 35 to 47 pills a day! Most people are not getting anywhere near these levels everyday.

There are quite a few things that can cause low potassium.

Good luck and keep us updated on your progress!

Art

Replied By AB (Atlanta) on 03/07/2024

There is a reason potassium supplements are sold at 99mg per tablet. One should never supplements it regularly, let alone more than 99mg pill, but get it from food. Bananas, passion fruit, beets, moringa, etc..

Potassium in blood is tested as a part of electrolytes testing. If one has low potassium he would definitely feel very bad and it is usually addressed in ER, not by increasing potassium supplementation, for it could be extremely dangerous.

There is a reason why potassium is low, finding the reason before attempting manipulate with it is very important.

Replied By Vera (Colorado) on 03/09/2024

AB, what are the reasons potassium is low? I have been prescribed 1 g potassium tablets for a long time, but nobody talks about why it's low. I get cramps if I don't take it.

And trying to get enough potassium from bananas would drive me bananas.