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Tom J. (USA) on 03/05/2008

Greetings, I have been doing research on Oxygen Therapy and sure enough your site was the first to come up.

In an article you state "To quote from the article: "The idea behind ingesting hydrogen peroxide stems from a now-discredited theory that cancer and AIDS thrive on a lack of oxygen in the body." ....

Upon further investigation I have found studies that discredit the claim that cancer thrives on a lack of oxygen on the body. I reference you to Aisenberg, A. Energy Pathways of Hepatoma No. 5123. Nature 191 pages 1314-1315. 1961.

I would also like to reference you to http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/oxygen.html

I have checked a number of these sources and have found them to be valid. I do not intend to argue the claims of the effectiveness of H2O2 used by some of your subscribers, as it clearly has worked for them. Rather I wish to argue the means by which it is effective. H2O2 is rapidly degraded by normal elements in the body, superoxide dismutase for instance. Any amount of H2O2 taken into the body is quite negligable, and furthermore has no appreciable affect of O2 concentrations in the blood. Tom

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Replied By Joyce (Joelton, TN) on 03/06/2008

Hello Tom, After reading your response I decided that you have a good handle on researching, but a good researcher researches both sides of the issue. Have you researched the yea side as well as the nay side, or have you dared try any of them yourself?

I have, and I'll share some of it with you. After reading about oral and IV hydrogen peroxide therapy several years ago and the results obtained, I tried the oral route. Yuck! & my stomach rebelled. Not wanting to go the IV route, I quit it. After reading about Bill's inhalation route and realizing that if he was still around to write about it, (my thanks to you Bill) it wasn't likely to kill me outright), I tried it. Again, thanks to you, Bill, no untoward effects, and it did loosen up and thin the glue (mucus) in my head and chest so I could get it out. Now that I have found it to be safe and somewhat effective, I won't hesitate to recommend it to anyone else, nor will I hesitate to continue using it. How I wish I had known about this a few years back when I caught pertussis (whooping cough) and my favorite cough syrup (half ACV/half honey)wasn't as effective as it usually was. I must have drank 3 pints of it- can't say that it wasn't working since I am still here to tell you about it- but there was several times times that I came very close to dialing 911 and hoping they got here in time.

I remember when my now grown son developed a simple ring worm in the right temporal area which wosened with use of an ointment that had worked in the past. I took him to the family doctor, told him what I used that just worsened it - passing that one up he tried several others with the same results, over next 3-4 weeks, then referring us to 2 of Nashville's prominent prominent dermatologists.

By the time we got to the derrmatologists, his ringworm had developed into a kerion (much bigger and with some hair missing, and pus pockets through out the affected area. After both of them looking at it, one of them said "a cat ringworm or I'll take down my shingle". Several weeks later, still going to the dermatologists, and still worsening with their treatment, I received a culture report from the state health dept. that said "no pathogenic fungi". You just don't know how close I came to putting a hammer in my purse for the next scheduled appt. and telling him I was going to help him take down his shingle!

Upon returning home, my lovely neighbor who watched the other 3 children while we made another expensive trip to the dermatologists, looked at his kerion and said, "the old folks just rubbed ring worms with green walnuts. (meaning the green hulls on black walnuts). Although it was late fall, we managed to find about 3 walnuts with green hulls. Immediately after they came in the door, I sliced a little bit off one walnut and rubbed the open area all over that kerion, repeating it a second time before putting him to bed. I could see a big improvement the next morning. On his next derm appt. a couple of days later, the dermatologists looked and said "well, its finally looking better" to which I replied "yes, green walnuts work real well, don't they?" Looking surprised, he remarked ("yes, but they burn real bad". Angry by now because he apparently knew this and hadn't bothered to tell me about an effective treatment, I said exactly what I thought - "Hellfire man, haven't you ever noticed the tears rolling down this child's face when you were poking around in those pus pockets with needles. He didn't do that while I was applying the green walnut". We weren't told to make another appointment. I long since forgave him for not telling me, becaused I now realize that the strongest union in the country (American Medical Assn.) goes after any MD found recommending something they have no control over. Neither will the pharmaceutical companies tell you about anything they can't patent. It's job security! You have to go to places like Earth Clinic or lovely neighbors to glean such useful information.

Several years later, this same neighbor told me I should take take poke berries for severe joint pain. I then asked her if she was trying to kill me because I had always been told that they were poison. She replied that they never hurt her aunt who had been taking them for years, still getting about in her 80's. When she didn't back down after I reminded her that if anything happened to me she had to finish raising my children, I decided to try them. Very effective and no side effects at all. Very remarkable, as you know, if you have been keeping up with the class action lawsuits to get damages for the strokes, heart attacks, etc. from the makers of Viox! Everybody I have told about this and tried it has had the same improvement without unwanted side effects.

I will warn you that if you decide to try it, swallow them whole - they don't do your taste buds any favors! If you want to research this, a good place to start is the federal government's data base on plants- don't use poke sallet for the common name - type in pokeweed. You find some amazing things are contained in these so-called weeds that God and Mother Nature grows wild for us to pick and take for free. You might also be surprised at the people who have been and still researching this lowly weed and what they have found. The pharmaceutical companies can keep their preparations that they have isolated from the plant extracts and developed a synthetic version that they can patent & make a fortune on - thanks to pokeberries, I am still able to get out and gather my own pokeberries, keeping the failsafe ingredients, that prevent the unwanted side effects that the synthetic versions cause! I am thankful for the results and I don't care whether it may come partly from the placebo effect or whether its all from the chemicals in the plants or HP. It works, and I never argue with success! Nor do I argue with the creator of that plant, for he/she is smarter than any one scientist or any group of scientist.

Have fun researching those plants, Tom. I did and still do!

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Replied By Trish (Kansas City, MO) on 04/06/2008

In response to Tom...not to sound as if I'm attacking you but you reference 'quackwatch.com' as grounds to try and 'disprove' the marvels of H2O2 therapy. Quackwatch was created by and is operated by a MEDICAL DOCTOR, someone who obviously doesn't want patients turning to homeopathic and alternative treatments to cure what ails them. If everyone in the U.S. and Western Europe started practing what people in the East have done for centuries, there would be a lot of physicians out of a job. They are trained in diagnosing and prescription-writing, not curing an illness with nutrition or any other natural remedy...and they run the risk of losing their licenses to practice medicine if they do give such advice. If everyone who has cancer in this country ran out and started buying peroxide to kill off the growth just think what would be at jeopardy....TRILLIONS of dollars for the pharmacies and governement. No wonder there 'studies' attempting to disprove such theories. Also, you cannot always believe every study that has been 'published' and in plain sight for all the public to see. Many studies have been 'fixed' or do not give accurate findings. For instance, if an FDA scientist has financial ties with someone (and most do) or could reap the benefites of a 'bonus' just from saying a new drug is now okay to place on the market, he/she is very inclinced to pass a drug as being safe even if it hasn't been tested long enough or even shows having problems. This senario is sadly true and there are scientists who have spoken out against drugs being passed too swiftly for sale. But you will never read those interviews and if you do, you did some serious research and dirt-digging like I have (or you know 'insiders'). So just because we have 'studies' that discredit the theory of H2O2 having an effect on cancer groth by flooding the body with oxygen doesn't mean that the therapy doesn't work. Even if this particular study had valid findings, please compare one study to millions of people all over the world who use peroxide therapy and the success stories they have. The FDA tries everything in it's power to discredit natural remedies by stating none of them have been tested in an FDA-approved laboratory. So what?! If people on the other side of the world have been doing something for 2,000+ years to cure a common cold and it has worked, I would safely conclude there's some truth to the remedy. I have been using H2O2 therapy for quite a while now and have enjoyed many of it's benefits. I may not be fighting cancer (not knowingly anyhow), but I never have to rely on coffee of other substances to get going in the morning, especially if I didn't get enough sleep. Several drops of peroxide in my first few glasses of water in the morning really wake me up and help me become alert. The inhalation method has helped me break up moucus in my chest from an old cold. Since started the therapy I haven't caught a single cold or bout of flu. The only time I have gotten a cold was from a week of VERY little sleep due to an extremely stressful situation that had occured a while back. Other than that cold, I haven't been sick once. I was around 8 or 9 people almost everyday at work this winter who were constantly sick a flu that kept going around and I was the ONLY person who never got sick. Using it in a steam bath has made my skin glow and look very youthful. I could go on and on, but I'm just trying to get across a simple point. There are many people who have a lot to lose as Americans educate themselves more on the miracles of natural remedies and using things that God has provided us with naturally to cure disease. Drugs do NOT cure diseases! They only cover up the symptoms. I don't care what the FDA states, and I don't care about their threats. They want us to stay sick so we keep running back to buy drugs and fatten up the wallets of Big Pharma, medical doctor, and the FDA. It's a vicious cycle that needs to be broken, and people need to educate themselves and learn the truth about our healthcare system.
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Replied By Terry (Saint Louis, USA) on 04/07/2008

This is in response to Trish in Kansas City who makes reference to the "Quackwatch" site. This site was created by a Stephen Barrett who IS NOT a licensed MD or a licensed anything! In 2007 he lost a couple of lawsuits that he initiated against Ted Koren, DC. During the proceedings the truth about Barrett came out. He failed his board exams and was denied licensure as an MD. His training was in the psych field. Do a google search on him. He is the Quack!
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Replied By Hawk (West Palm Beach, Florida) on 08/20/2008

Tom J., The link you listed is from Quackwatch. That site would not be biased in anyway towards any remedy that is not allopathic in nature, now would it? Tom, please this is the wrong place to try and infiltrate with FDA and Big Pharma biased negativity, which BTW, quackwatch is a part of.
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Replied By Dark Shadows Follow Me (Formerly West Palm Beach, Fl) on 08/28/2010

I am right on with your sentiments Hawk! Bartlett is the quack who needs to be watched. I ordered some of the 35% fghp online but then I saw the warnings about it so it has been sitting in my cabinet. I am reconsidering giving it a try. BTW what is the best water to take it with and also any hesitation about taking it while taking other supplements (obviously wait 2 hours and empty stomach, etc. Btw is this the same Hawk that was the housemanager for the veterans home? I did some community service there several years ago. If it is you hope your doing well and bless you for the job you are doing for the vets and my apologies if I was a bit of a slacker who didn't follow through back in those days. I have my act together these days and I have stayed out of trouble since! I even went back to school and am working on a graduate degree. Lesson learned..
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Replied By Mikejames (Huntington Beach, Ca, Usa) on 07/09/2011

Don't bring that blasphemy here. Quackwatch is the scam.

http://www.raysahelian.com/quackwatch.html

http://www.canlyme.com/quackwatch.html

http://orbisvitae.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=435&site_id=1

http://www.thenhf.com/old/newsflash_02.htm

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