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Anna (Great Barrington, MA) on 01/09/2009

I was in the grocery store today after reading about MSG last night on various internet sites. I started reading the ingredients on bottles of mayonaisse and juice, 2 items on my grocery list. Every single bottle of mayonaisse had "natural flavors" listed as an ingredient, as did 97% of the juices. Are we to believe that Natural Flavors = MSG?

Outrageous!!

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Replied By Rosy (Orlando, Fl) on 01/09/2009

All natural flavorings should be assumed as MSG, if not the manufactured kind, then the naturally occurring kind, which is just as bad.

I would make your own mayo if you are trying to avoid MSG.

Here's the recipe I used

1 whole egg
2 egg yolks
1 tablespoon Dijon mustard (no MSG)
1 tablespoon fresh lemon juice
1/2 teaspoon sea salt or Celtic salt
1/4 teaspoon white pepper
1 cup Virgin Coconut Oil (Liquid)

1. Put the eggs, Dijon mustard, lemon juice, salt, and pepper into a food processor or blender: Then with the processor or blender running on low speed, start adding your oils very slowly. Start out with drops and then work up to about a 1/16-inch stream. It should take about two minutes to add the oil.
2. Continue blending until there is no free standing oil.

Makes about 1 1/2 cups

It is supper yummy!

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Replied By Joyce (Joelton, Tn) on 01/10/2009

Hello Anna,

Yes natural flavors or natural flavoring = monosodium glutamate (MSG). Devious, aren't they? Try finding a broth or bouillon without MSG. Does this tell you something about Tyson's raw chicken that may contain "up to l5% chicken broth"? Read raw chicken & beef ingredients on Perdue brand.

Now if you want to get more enlightened, start reading ingredients for "hydrolyzed plant (corn, coy, pea, etc) protein" because it = both monosodium glutamate and aspartame. Read the ingredients on what is supposed to be canned vegetables. In a can of Glory brand canned turnip greens and same brand of canned black eye peas, I found MSG, hydrolyzed plant protein, and natural flavors listed on both. Just imagine the total volume of MSG/aspartame people unaware of this are ingesting. I haven't looked at all the other brands, but I have also found some Allen brands of canned green beans have MSG and some don't.

No one should be surprised that obesity, diabetes type 2, Parkinsons and Alzheimer's disease are so rampant in our modern culture that relies so heavily on processed foods. Try finding a pizza with sauce that isn't loaded with MSG - also take a look at those tomato ketchup bottles ingredients kids love so much. Alzheimers is now striking those in their 30's. Only a year or so ago, they were saying it was hitting people in their 60's & up. I suspect it is hitting people even younger than the 30's. According to Blaylock in his book Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills, the older people and the very young are more susceptible to brain destruction from MSG & aspartame; the elderly because of defects in the brain/blood barrier and the young because of immature development of the brain/blood barrier. I think this translates to it isn't the schools dumbing our kids down but the excitotoxins in our food supply that is destroying their brain cells.

Make sure you don't get low on potassium (most of us are low on it these days) because it competes for the same receptor sites as the MSG & aspartame.

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Replied By Joyce (Joelton, Tn) on 01/12/2009

The last sentence in previous reply to MSG question should have read "magnesium" (not potassium) competes with MSG for sites in the brain.
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Replied By Jim (Atlanta, Georgia) on 05/25/2009

MSG, or rather monosodium glutamate has to be listed on the label no matter what. It cannot be listed as "natural flavor", "flavor" or "flavorings", but rather must be listed by its specific common or usual name... monosodium glutamate.

Exceptions to this regulation as stated in the Code of Federal Regulations are 1) where the food is presented without a label such as in a restaurant or eating establishment ? this will also apply to "to go" or "take out" orders; 2) in a general grocery store where the product is prepared at the store level and is sold as a RTE (Ready to Eat) item, as in products sold at the deli counter.

I suspect the reason for labeling some things, especially products label "Organic" as "MSG Free" is to achieve the marketing impact reaction of, "well, then if it doesn't say 'MSG Free' it must contain MSG."

The reference cites for my basic argument are listed below -

From the FSIS (Food Safety and Inspection Service) FAQ web-site:

What substances or ingredients can be listed as "natural flavor," "flavor," or "flavorings" rather than by a specific common or usual name?
Ingredients such as ginger, black pepper, onion powder, garlic powder, celery powder, and garlic oil may be listed as one of the three categories mentioned above. They may be designated as "natural flavors" because they are substances used chiefly for flavor. They do not make a nutritional contribution, are not derived from an animal species, and there are no health concerns linked to them.

How will I know if there is monosodium glutamate (MSG) in a processed meat or poultry product?

MSG is classified as a flavor enhancer by Federal regulation. When it is added to a product, it must be identified as "monosodium glutamate" on the label.

The actual cites for the FDA regulation are in the Federal Code of Regulations - 21 CFR 101.22; Natural Flavors is covered in subpart a(1, 2 and 3) and monosodium glutamate is covered in subpart h(5).

For FSIS there are two cites for the regulations: Meat (Beef, Lamb, Veal, Pork, others) 9 CFR 317.2; Poultry (Chicken, Duck, Turkey, Goose, others) 9 CFR 381.118.

Also listed in the USDA Food Standards and Labeling Policy Book is a section as below. Though the Labeling Policy Book indicates that these statements are "voluntary", trust me when I say that if an ingredient is one of the "big 8 allergens", specifically monosodium glutamate, it will be on the label.

D. Labeling of Ingredients of Public Health Concern

Because there are foods and food ingredients to which some individuals may have a sensitivity (i.e., an allergic reaction or intolerance), FSIS emphasizes the importance of accurate, informative product labeling. FSIS supports including voluntary statements on labels to alert people who have sensitivities or intolerances to the presence of specific ingredients, particularly the "big 8" allergens (wheat, crustaceans (e.g., shrimp , crab, lobster), eggs, fish, peanuts, milk, tree nuts (e.g., almonds, pecans, walnuts), and soybeans) and other specific ingredients (monosodium glutamate (MSG), sulfites, lactose, and Yellow 5 (tartrazine). FSIS provides the following example: "Contains: milk, wheat gluten, soy." FSIS further supports identifying the source of a specific ingredient in a parenthetical statement, (e.g., "whey (from milk)".)

There are always people who will do things illegally, but my position is based on the law.

Jim

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Replied By Anita (Mccomb, Ms) on 09/03/2009

Here is a very good recipe for Mayonnaise. I started making it to avoid the MSG in food.

Cooked Mayonnaise

Combine in saucepan:
1/3 c. sifted whole wheat flour
1/2 c. sugar
1 t. salt
Add: 3/4 c. water
1/2 c. white vinegar

Cook over low heat, stirring until thickened. Remove from heat and pour into blender. While beating, add:

2 cloves garlic
2 whole eggs

Continue beating and slowly add:

2/3 c. salad oil

Chill before serving.

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Replied By Experience Matters (Brookhaven, Ms) on 09/03/2009

First of all, if you are trusting the government to be responsible for your health, you will probably die an early, painful death, because they don't give a rip about it.

Secondly, consider what people will do for money. Corporate America is full of corruption. That's not to say that all is bad, any more than all of government is bad. But more often than not, corporate executives spend their day trying to figure out how to justify their jobs. So if they can find a way to make more money, they will. If it involves food additives that make you eat more, they don't care, as long as it's padding their pocket. This is the absolute truth: MSG IS hidden under other names. There are contracts in place that prevent disclosure of "secret" ingredients. So go on thinking that the government will protect with it's regulations if that's what you think. But when you come up with cancer, you'll be on your own. The government won't be there to help you.

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Replied By Anders (S.f. Ca) on 06/22/2015

Unfortunately, it is not just government or corporate titans at fault. It is much the public at large and consumers everywhere that are to blame.

Many are unaware or not that interested in gaining more knowledge about the foods that we eat and the products that we buy. For many of us, the assumption has been that if the food item is available at a market or in a restaurant, it must be safe to eat. But that may no longer be the case.

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