Art (California) on 03/24/2022

This new study (March 2022) shows that Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine were ineffective for treating patients admitted to the hospital for Covid-19.

https://www.mdpi.com/2036-7449/14/2/20/htm

Here is a relevant quote from the study :

>>> ' In non-critical hospitalized patients with COVID-19 pneumonia, neither ivermectin nor hydroxychloroquine decreases the number of in-hospital days, respiratory deterioration, or deaths. ' <<<

I know this will be disappointing information for those who believe that Ivermectin is effective for treating Covid-19 and this one study may not be enough to convince you, but there is another study that will likely be released in April that used Ivermectin in 1,358 adult patients that were tested positive for SARS- Cov-2 and this study also had very similar results. I will post that study as soon as it is released.

Here is a quote from the study:

>>> ' In each scenario, they found that Ivermectin did not improve patient outcomes. ' <<<

If you still believe Ivermectin to be effective for Covid-19 and it is your plan to use it if you get infected with Covid-19, I think it would be a reasonable idea to use it alongside other remedies that have also been suggested as remedies for Covid-19, rather than as a stand-alone treatment.

Art

Replied By Art (California) on 03/25/2022

I get your point on the dosing Betty and have posted another study using high dose Ivermectin to show the difference in effects between the two doses. Zinc wasn't used in either study so that remains unresolved.

I think some people may feel that Ivermectin is a stand alone treatment for Covid-19, so I made a point to mention it.

Art

Replied By Betty (CA) on 03/25/2022

Interesting!

Thank you, Art.

How does one find out if they have this parasite? Is it thru symptoms or is there a fairly fast blood lab or what?

An azole would be a good to if you can't get IVM I would suspect if someone also had this parasite?

I read an article about mebendazole helping cv19. Might be the connection here?

Replied By Art (California) on 03/25/2022

To show a side to Ivermectin that the first study did not show, in this February 2022 study where they used high dose Ivermectin at the rate of .6mg/kg/bw/day for 5 days, Ivermectin showed benefit.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8902036/

To put this dose into perspective, in a person who weighs 175 pounds or about 80 kilos the dose would be 48 mg per day for 5 days. This compared to the first study which used 12 or 18 mg/day depending on weight

Here is a relevant quote from the study :

>>> ' This report highlights the safety and possible efficacy of high dose ivermectin as a potentially useful intervention deserving public health-based consideration for COVID-19 patients. ' <<<

Comparing the first study to the last study, you can see the difference that a higher dose makes compared to a lower dose and a higher dose suggests a better outcome.

I haven't seen the dose used in the second study yet, but when that study is published, I will report the dose used.

So if you plan to use Ivermectin for Covid-19, using a dose that is high enough is a must. The study above gives a better idea of what that dose might look like. I have seen this same effect in melatonin/Covid-19 studies. Too low of a dose did not produce positive results while a higher dose produced exceptional results.

Art

Replied By Art (California) on 03/25/2022

Betty,

It can be tested for with a blood test or a stool sample, but the worm lives in the intestinal tract. The blood test is considered to be more accurate. Strongyloidiasis seems to be more common in the subtropics, tropics and warm temperate areas.

It seems as though pricing on Ivermectin continues to increase. A friend who had a prescription for it and got it at a local pharmacy and said with a recent purchase from the same local pharmacy that the price was now 4 times higher.

I prefer melatonin myself because I already use it and recent studies have confirmed very good efficacy and it is still dirt cheap at the local stores or online.

Art

Replied By Betty (CA) on 03/25/2022

I agree totally. The melatonin studies are pretty concrete in results for cv19.

I just stocked up on melatonin not too long ago.

I take IVM as part of anti-cancer protocol and have for a few years now. So, yes price has exploded, so ridiculously. And one shipment was held by customs at LAX, smh. None of their business what I am using it for. They try to pressure you to volunteer info on use. I was advised if it ever happens to only say "For medical use rx'd by my doc."

Suppression and control!!! Makes my blood boil at the thought of where we are headed for full medical tyranny.

Replied By Art (California) on 03/26/2022

Here is another study using Ivermectin at .4 mg/kg/bw/day in confirmed Covid-19 patients shortly after diagnosis. The first study I posted about used only a maximum dose 18 mg total per day and showed no benefit from Ivermectin in Covid-19 patients.

The third study I reported on, used .6 mg/kg/bw/day and found benefit.

So far, 18 mg/day shows no benefit.

The dose of .4 mg/kg/bw/day shows no benefit. To put this dose into perspective, a 175 lb person or roughly 80 kg person, the dose used would be, 32 mg per day.

In the study that showed benefit from Ivermectin for patients with Covid-19, the dose used was .6 mg/kg/bw/day. For a person that weighs about 175 lbs or 80 kg, this dose would be 48 mg/day.

What these studies so far are showing is that Ivermectin requires a high dose in order to show benefit and this is an important point to keep in mind if you plan to use Ivermectin to treat Covid-19.

Art

Replied By Betty (CA) on 03/26/2022

Agreed! The info you are sharing is so important to know.

I know two people who had Delta severe. Their regime with a hired home nurse:

IVM loading dose was 75mg (one person had dizziness with that high dose), Zinc loading dose 50-60mg, IVC at loading dose 150mg slow drip over 12 hrs (start drip again 6hrs later), potassium citrate in between IVC drips, O2 at about level 3-4 liters/min, melatonin loading dose not sure but know it was high dose. Then slowly lower the doses each day for 5-6 days. They did not go to the hospital! And do not have any symptoms of long haul cv.

Of course bromelain, NAC, B vitamins, nattokinase, ect.

One of the persons took lumbrokinase instead of natto.

Replied By Art (California) on 03/27/2022

Betty,

That is great, useful and important information on Ivermectin dosing for Covid-19. The studies are clearly showing that it takes high dosing in order to be effective and that is when administered along side standard of care treatment for Covid-19. This is information that people need to be aware of if they plan to use Ivermectin for Covid-19.

Art

Replied By Betty (CA) on 03/27/2022

CORRECTION: IVC loading dose 150g, not mg.

Replied By Art (California) on 03/27/2022

Hwkmn05,

Most of the ivermectin studies use Ivermectin alongside standard of care, but I have never seen where they have fully elaborated on every bit of what the standard of care is that they are using, but I think that is because it varies depending on the symptoms that the patient displays.

Out of curiosity what dose did you use? The study that I mentioned that showed benefit from Ivermectin was the highest dose study at .6 mg per kilogram of body weight per day. In that study, Ivermectin reduced the mortality rate compared to standard of care alone.

Art

Replied By Betty (CA) on 03/27/2022

I thought I posted a correction but maybe not. The IVC is 150g loading dose not mg.

Replied By Hwkmn05 (Nh) on 03/28/2022

Art,

To begin with, the highest FLCCC dose of .6 per kg which for my weight is 54 mg per day. I have 12 mg so I did 2 twice a day along with 400 mg of Hydroxy the first two days. After coffering with an ND on day 3 with little change, the consensus for treating Omicron successfully, oddly enough but in my condition, I was not questioning, was that the horse paste was much more effective than the tablets. My loading dose of that had been 4 marks on the tube, so I did 8 marks, fell asleep for a few hours and awoke to very little mucous and the sore throat, fever and headache gone. I have to wonder if this would have worked day 1? Having a dry cough in week 2 I decided to confer with an allopath. Started on 50mg of Steroids for 5 days and cough was 80-90% gone.

Replied By Art (California) on 03/28/2022

Betty,

You said, the ivermectin loading dose is 150 grams, not milligrams. That is equal to 150, 000 mg!

Are you certain about this? The LD50 for ivermectin is 18.2 mg per kilogram. So if a person weighs about 175 lbs or 80 kilograms that would be 80 x 18.2 = 1456 mg as the LD50 for a 175 lb person . The LD50 of ivermectin for a 175lb person is 1456 mg. You are suggesting a dose of ivermectin that is magnitudes higher than the LD50???

150, 000 mg vs 1456 mg.

Can you clarify this?

Art

Replied By Art (California) on 03/28/2022

Hwkmn05,

Thank you for the reply. This seems to add confirmation to the study that showed benefit from Ivermectin at .6 mg/kg/bw/day.

Yes, it seems like the earlier you hit Covid-19, the more effective every treatment seems to be against it and the longer you wait to treat it, the less effective every treatment seems to be.

Art

Replied By Jgny (Thousand Islands) on 03/28/2022

So you took a dose of 8 notches for 400 pounds? I took 4 notches daily for 5 days and it helped.

Replied By Stephanie (Long Valley, Nj) on 03/28/2022

Hi Art,

I think she meant 150 grams of Intravenous Vit C. I think she used IVM to abbreviate for ivermectin, and IVC to abbreviate for IV Vitamin C?

Replied By Betty (CA) on 03/28/2022

IVC (vitamin C infusion) loading dose 150g.

IVM (Ivermectin) loading dose 75mg.

Replied By Hwkmn05 (Nh) on 03/28/2022

Yes, twice my usual 4 notches.

Replied By Art (California) on 03/28/2022

Thank you for the clarification, Betty!

Art

Replied By Betty (CA) on 03/28/2022

Sorry for the confusion.

In the cancer world we use a lot of acronyms/abbreviations. Sometimes I don't realize it when speaking or posting.

Like today at dr appt we did a mild detox thing. I asked if it was going to cause a herx reaction and he smiled. He did say NO it will not. We are slowly getting my body ready for a full detox. Not sure when that will be. Might be months down the road. Got to see improvement in inner balance, immune function (gut biome), weight, ect first.

Replied By Bex7 (OR) on 05/05/2024

I just used the dose recommended on the box and measured out what I needed for my weight. I worked at a place with over a hundred folks and since the beginning of the so called pandemic, I have used it once a week, and whenever I am going to be around people, I take an organic cotton Qtip, dip it inside the syringe just a touch and lightly spread it just inside the nostril. I never got sick, and haven't since, no jabs. I do take melatonin, zinc, NAC, vit D, etc. Good luck everyone.