Art (California) on 08/20/2020

Since the study for this combination of supplements was fairly long, I imagine that many EC readers did not have time to read the whole study, so I thought I would highlight an important point shown in this study as well as other studies and meta analyses. In most of these studies it was clearly shown that there is an inverse relationship between vitamin D serum level (25 OH d) and sleep issues or to say that a little differently, as the vitamin D level declines, sleep issues increase and as 25 OH d serum level rises, sleep issues decline.

Overall, this is just one of many reasons to make sure your 25 OH d serum level is replete!

Art

Replied By J. (Florida) on 06/15/2021

Thank you for sharing the information, Art. It is very interesting. On the occasion that you started taking melatonin at 6:00 in the evening, what was the time of the sunset at your location? Also, if you have started taking melatonin at 6:00 in the evening on other occasions, have the sunset times been different?

Sincerely,

J.

Replied By Peter (Chicago) on 06/16/2021

Art,

Always value your knowledge! What is the difference between this and the 123 Melatonin method that you posted previously?

Replied By Peter (Chicago) on 06/17/2021

One evening, I decided to start taking one 10 mg capsule of melatonin at 6 pm and then one more at very roughly every hour after that and then take the remainder of my dose all at once just before going to bed. Art, I want to make sure I am doing this right. For a 5 MG total dosage. Let say I go to sleep at 12, I would take 1 mg at 10,1 mg at 11, then the remaining 3 mg at 12. Is this correct ? Thanks, Peter

Replied By Pacific Coast Lady (Crescent City, CA) on 06/18/2021

I evidently, don't tolerate even 5 mg of melatonin Art. I took one during the day to make sure it didn't interrupt my sleep (just the 5 mg tablet time-released by The Naturalist). I started getting so tired I finally gave up and laid down. My eyelids just shut for about 2 hours, but I had a weird dream I was driving and my eyes wouldn't open, lol!! The bummer part of all this, is that I actually felt way calm the rest of the day and evening after I woke up. I wish I could get the calm without the heavy tiredness, and thought about taking just half dose, but now my Taurine got here (I ordered for essential tremor) I took just 500 mg of that lastnight, and best sleep I've had in ages, 7-8 hrs I got. No hangover feeling, and when I did wakeup once, I went right back to sleep after bathroom. There was zero grogginess at all, just felt normal sleepiness. I wanted to take the Melatonin to help prevent, or lessen Covid, just in case the vaccine (Moderna 2-jab) doesn't work on future "types" of the virus. I also take 500mg of Magnesium from Life Extension and it is mixed with some things that I'll post on the Magnesium/Essential tremors board if interested. I don't want to hijack the thread, get off topic ;) Denise

Replied By Art (California) on 06/15/2021

Hi J,

I have only recently started this experiment about a month ago and sunset at that time was around 7:30 pm and now sunset is about 8:00 pm. This is the earliest I have ever taken melatonin because I was concerned about disrupting my circadian rhythm, but now that I have done it, I would not be too concerned if I tested as early as is useful for Sundowning. I think getting the early morning light exposure helps with the circadian rhythm alignment for giving another feedback signal to keep the internal clock on time and I try to do that regularly also.

Btw, I continue to find new uses for melatonin and have remained at 106+ mg/night for over 8 months now. I will likely do this much or more for the rest of my life.

There was a recent study that used 250 mg/day of melatonin to good effect so melatonin studies are finally pushing the envelope toward actual pharmacological dosing that is more likely to show the true value of melatonin to human and animal health. Doctor's should be properly trained in the use of melatonin as part of their training, it is a mistake not to do that. Even plants thrive on it!

On an unrelated note I am thinking of writing a post about a natural treatment that has not been previously discussed on EC to the best of my knowledge, but I think it is too controversial at this time. I feel certain it will be a game changer for many diseases that don't have highly effective treatments currently available, but that is another time.

Art

Replied By J. (Florida) on 06/16/2021

Thank you for sharing the additional information, Art. At what time have you been going to bed during the time period that you mentioned?

Sincerely,

J.

Replied By Art (California) on 06/17/2021

Hi Peter,

The melatonin 123 went like this. You determine the time you want to go to bed. For this example, let's say 11:00 pm. You take one third of your melatonin dose at 9:00 pm, one third at 10:00 pm and one third at 11:00 pm. I found this was more helpful for sleep than taking the full melatonin dose at 10:00 pm or 11:00 pm.

Now with this method I am testing, the sleep effect is much better for me, so I guess you could say that melatonin 123 was the prototype for this latest adjustment in dosing. Starting taking melatonin at 6:00 pm is earlier than I have previously taken it on a regular basis and for me it definitely works better for sleep.

Art

Replied By GertJr (Madison ) on 06/17/2021

Art,

I'm taking 88 mg of instant release melatonin, 20 mg of timed release melatonin and a dropperful of California Poppy, still don't sleep. What are your thoughts on thyroid combined with food allergies + postmenopause causing insomnia? I need relief other than sleeping pills, but nothing has worked. My MG, B12, D3, etc are all good, mid to upper ranges. One thing, when I work out in the yard all day is the times I tend to sleep best (tho only 4-5 hours). I lift weights, etc, but nothing has helped.

Replied By Art (California) on 06/16/2021

Usually between 11:00 pm and 12:00. Sometimes it works so well it surprises me.

Art

Replied By J. (Florida) on 06/17/2021

Thanks again, Art!

Sincerely,

J.

Replied By Art (California) on 06/17/2021

GertJr,

Have you tried what I described in a recent post using melatonin with an earlier start in divided doses? That works very well for me and better than melatonin 123 as you are more closely mimicking the pineal glands release of melatonin.

For straight up insomnia, I would try medical marijuana before I would try prescription drugs for sleep. You will have to go with Indica not Sativa and a high THC content with low CBD content. I find that THC around 30+ is useful. If you have not used MM before start low and slow as it is very potent and it won't be a good thing if you take too much. If you smoke it or vape it, I would only take one hit to start and see how you react to it after a half hour. You can always take another hit after the half hour is up, but you definitely don't want to take too much!!!

Art

Replied By GertJr (Madison) on 06/17/2021

Art, thanks but I can't. I get drug tested regularly (1X/m at least, sensitive work) for work and MM is not allowed, esp the higher thc. I wish. What are your thoughts on 0 thc? My friend tells me how well it works for her, but our situations are not alike and she's in a state where MM is allowed.

Replied By Deirdre (Connecticut) on 06/17/2021

Hi GertJr,

Have you tried experimenting with Niacin? At lower doses, you won't get a flush. People report sleeping very deeply when they take it at night (Bill Thompson, for example).

Replied By Art (California) on 06/17/2021

GertJr,

We are all different and all you can do is try the CBD she is using, unless it is MM CBD in which case you can't.

If you can tolerate melatonin I would try the multiple divided doses starting at 6:00 pm that I wrote about in a recent post. It works very well for me.

Art

Replied By Art (California) on 06/17/2021

Hi Peter,

That is what I used to do, now I start earlier at 6:00 pm and take a partial dose roughly every hour until I go to bed which is when I take the remainder of my dose.

I take at least 106 mg every night, so it is easy for me to have plenty of melatonin to cover the span until I go to bed. If I only take 5 mg of melatonin every night, I would have to use the 1/2 mg capsules in order for it to last until I go to bed. I take a 1/2 mg at 6:00 pm and then I take another 1/2 mg roughly every hour until I go to bed at which time I take however remaining capsules are left as my bedtime varies.

Art

Replied By Penny B. (Central PA) on 04/21/2023

I've used magnesium and it helps me sleep well. I'm 75. Vitamin B50 and other supplements too. Melatonin is helpful but I've found I should take it an hour before bedtime. Getting more sunshine in the daytime helps the body produce its own melatonin.

Replied By Art (California) on 04/21/2023

Liz, When I write about remedies they usually change over time as I learn more about it. In the case of the multiple divided doses of melatonin starting around 6 or 7 pm, while it worked very well for me for sleep, I found that taking 4 or 5 divided doses before bed was hard to stick to. So at the most, I would suggest trying the melatonin 123 as that is only 3 doses and it works for me also and is easier to keep up. As far as dosing, some people simply do not tolerate melatonin, even at low dosing. So you definitely want to start low and work your way up. Melatonin is available in half milligram dosing and that may be the better place to start. So if she goes to bed at 9:00pm, start with a half milligram at bedtime. If she tolerates that with no problem, try a half milligram at 8:00 pm and then a half milligram at 9:00pm. If no problems, try a half milligram at 7:00 pm, one at 8:00 pm and one at 9:00 pm. The spread dose attempts to mimic the release of melatonin from the pineal gland. Also add the magnesium glycinate with the earliest dose as an additional sleep aid. Also zinc gluconate with the magnesium should be additive. I wrote about this at the beginning of this thread above : Https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/art-solbrig-insomnia-protocol.html

Btw, I currently take 132 mg of melatonin every night and have been since last year. Let us know if this helps your mom. Art