My knees were loose in their sockets in 2015, but their cartilage filled in back to normal in 4 months by taking a capsule of chicken sternum mornings. In 2016, another person canceled their hip replacement during 6 months of taking the chicken sternum capsules. During the same 6 months, a friend of the hip replacement person could not stand in the buffet line without having to sit down because of knee pain, but ended up canceling their knee replacement by taking the chicken sternum and was walking around normally as if the knee had never hurt. More recently in April of 2020, another 86 year old person's severe knee pain was healed within 4 months of taking a capsule per day of the Swanson chicken sternum.
Replied By Art (California) on 05/21/2020
Thomas Lewis, Thank you for the testimonial on chicken sternum! Chicken sternum is type II collagen, which is one of the five types of collagen found in the supplement I mentioned that worked well for my friend. The most abundant collagen form found in humans is type I, which is also contained in the supplement that he used along with three other forms of collagen plus Bioperine, which acts to improve absorption of the collagen supplement. I feel that the use of five types of collagen plus the Bioperine may offer more in terms of what the body can utilize and how well the body will be able to use this supplement. The other supplement he tried also contained the type II chicken sternum based collagen, but was ineffective for him, so this is the reason for naming a specific product that worked for this particular case involving torn tendons and ligaments. The amount of each collagen type in the noted supplement is not given in any of the supplements I looked at on Amazon, just that they contain five different types of collagen. But type I collagen is the most abundant type in humans, so it is likely to be important for the maintenance of tendons and ligaments. None of the cases you mentioned involved torn tendons or ligaments as my friend had as confirmed by a dye contrast MRI, so they are not exactly comparable to his situation and what worked for him. Not to say that your recommendation does not work for what you stated, just that this is not the same supplement or tendon issues that my friend used successfully for his torn tendons and ligaments. This can be a significant issue for people on statins and or Ciprofloxacin. As stated in the original post, he had multiple regimens of Ciprofloxacin before his MRI. Not quite the same, as his situation with the prior Ciprofloxacin use, which has shown that it can seriously damage tendons as outlined in this link. https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a688016.html ArtReplied By Thomas Lewis (currently Flagstaff, AZ) on 05/21/2020
The Multi Collagen Plus looks like a great product and maybe adding hyaluronic acid powder (sodium hyaluronate) to the Multi Collagen would help with the tendons and ligaments. That's kind of how it happened with my ankle. The ankle probably being mostly tendons and ligaments, 1/4 level tsp (about 440 mg) of BulkSupplements' hyaluronic acid (HA) powder mornings helped my sprained ankle in combo with 500 mg chicken sternum, 1 level tsp of hydrolized bovine collagen powder and 4 calcium hydroxyapatite (CH) capsules per day, which equals 1 gram of calcium total from the CH. HA is sticky, but I just put the HA powder on my tongue and take a sip of water, letting the water soak into the HA for 30 seconds. Then scrape off the gelatinous HA on roof of mouth and swallow it with more water. Even though chicken sternum does have natural HA and chondroitin, it was only after I added the hyaluronic acid powder that my sprained ankle became better, although not perfect but improved. Therefore, I see HA as a lubricant for connective tissue. Chicken sternum doesn't work every time, and didn't work for my shoulders, which are somewhat compromised but usable.Replied By Art (California) on 05/22/2020
Thomas Lewis, I agree with the HA as I used it for degenerative disc disease (DDD), as explained to us by Ted, many years ago. He had created a formulation that we could make and would last close to a week per mix in the refrigerator. It was adequate for that purpose until I found borax, which resolved my problems for over a decade. I think you are also correct about HA acting as a lubricant, and I believe it also acts as a cushion. For your shoulders, magnesium chloride spray oil or mag oil (MO) may help ease some of the pain if you haven't already tried it as it is prevalent on this forum. Here is a link to a typical product. Read some of the reviews to get an idea of the many uses that people have found for MO. https://www.amazon.com/Magnesium-Oil-Spray-STRENGTH-Essential/dp/B01N0KQ9QJ/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=mag+oil&qid=1590084926&sr=8-6 People think it is good to take borax until the pain goes away and then take a break from it. Still, I believe in following Ted's advice of continuous use with weekends off because borax does much more than put arthritis into remission. To get those other benefits, ongoing use may be a way to go. It helps to protect the skeletal structure and helps to ameliorate osteoporosis, and its boron content is useful with vitamin D and vitamin D cofactors in helping to get and keep calcium where it is most beneficial. ArtReplied By Sharon (Minnesota) on 05/21/2020
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Hi again, Roger! I'm back as I said I would be. First, it may be helpful to add vitamin C with the collagen as vitamin C will help by increasing collagen production itself, but the combo is likely to be better than collagen by itself. I will be updating this thread on that point as my friend has added vitamin C to his regimen a little ways back and said he will give me feedback on whether he feels it is helpful very soon. Here are three things you can try if you haven't already tried them. You should be able to use these alongside the collagen supplement without changing the outcome from the collagen and possibly getting some pain relief until the collagen starts taking effect. One product is magnesium oil spray (MO). MO can relieve pain, relax tense muscles, quickly relieve muscle spasms and cramps, reduce inflammation and swelling such as a twisted ankle and also add to your total magnesium intake. It is not the most potent topical pain reliever, but it may help with the pain. Here is a link below and please read some of the reviews to see what all people use MO for. The first item is the simplest, Ibuprofen or Naproxen in soft gel version, whichever you prefer and generic is fine. Put a few squirts of any hand and body lotion of your choice into a shot glass or other small container. Take one softgel and puncture it with a toothpick. Squeeze the oil out of the softgel into the shot glass with the lotion. Use the toothpick or a straw to stir the two ingredients together well. When thoroughly mixed apply to both knees. This will confine the Naproxen or Ibuprofen to the area where pain relief is needed without having a negative impact on the digestive system and will allow you to reach local tissue concentrations that are as high or higher than the max dosage for either product taken orally. Wash your hands well when done. https://www.amazon.com/Magnesium-Oil-Spray-STRENGTH-Essential/dp/B01N0KQ9QJ/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=mag+oil&qid=1590084926&sr=8-6 https://www.swansonvitamins.com/natrabio-the-arnica-rub-4-fl-oz-cream Lastly you can try making a saturated solution of MSM in water and applying topically as needed. If you decide to try any of these, I would start with the Naproxen or Ibuprofen. MO would be next unless you already have it in which case I would try it first, because even if it is not helpful enough for the pain, you will probably find it useful for other issues. The second product is a homeopathic blend and to me, has slightly better pain relieving quality than MO, but is not as versatile as MO. The third item, MSM is kind of hit and miss and some people find it very pain relieving and others such as myself, get little if any pain relief from MSM. If you have any questions, just post them and I will get back to you. ArtReplied By Roger (United States) on 05/22/2020
Thank you Art, I do have some MO and have tried it on my knees without much relief. I still spray it on legs daily. I'm also taking a lot of magnesium in supplement form. Time will tell. That is a great idea about mixing Advil with lotion, I will give that a try. I do take MSM daily and have used a lotion containing MSM, but have not tried the saturated MSM, that might be worth a try. I have tried borax for a while off and on over the last couple years. Never seemed to help much. I'll try the other two items you mentioned and see if that can give me a little relief. Thanks.Replied By Art (California) on 05/22/2020
Roger,
If the topical naproxen or ibuprofen is not enough relief, do not order the homeopathic cream as it is approximately equivalent to those two in terms of pain relief, but a more natural alternative that some people prefer. Myself, I find naproxen more effective than ibuprofen, but I am allergic to naproxen so I can't use it.
Let me know how you do with the naproxen cream.
Art
