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Neili (USA) on 11/03/2008

Hi Ted,

I just came across this webpage, which discusses using coffee amongst other things to help promote bile flow.
http://www.itmonline.org/arts/chlorogenic.htm

I love the moderate use of coffee but abstain from it as most complementary health practitioners, including Traditional Chinese Medicine say to avoid it. I'd love to hear your feelings on drinking coffee when the liver / gallbladder are impaired and when there is also already a danger that the body is too acidic. Thanks and bless you.

Neil

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Replied By Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 11/03/2008

Dear Neil:

The article does not directly deal with the real cause of the issue. Gallstones are formed not from chlorogenic acid deficiency, but it is formed from eating very oily foods that exceeds the liver's capacity to emulsify the fatty food. When this happens fat collesce to form tiny balls of fat which form gallstones, along with excessive calcium. But it is also true that excessive fats lead to liver cirrhosis, or a fatty liver. The issue is that Western dietary habits eat too much fatty food and the body simply accumulates fat. While it is true that chlorogenic acid did reduce gallstone, the sad story is it shouldn't happen in the first place if excessive fatty foods weren't eaten at all. Time and time again I mentioned the use of granulated lecithin taken along with food to emulsify the fat, avoid the use of vegetable oils in cooking, fatty foods, and sugar. Chlorogenic acid real action is it prevents the body from increasing blood glucose quickly enough, or something like sugar spikes, when this happens the liver has to overwork and store them or tuck them and converted into fats before it damages the body system. So the issue hence becomes controlling blood sugar, and chromium, which I found can reduce weight, and it doesn't have to be chromium picolinate. I found out a much cheaper chromium chloride works quite effectively in reducing weight, blood sugar to more normal levels and even cured hirsute both men and women, within weeks. Coffee really have a problem of gout and increased uric acid.

A major component of bile is actually water, bicarbonates, and salt. The baking soda and water with sea salt is also a major remedy I have always post almost as consistently. There is an urban legend about not drinking water while eating. This urban legend caused a major problem, it tends to put stress on to the liver with insufficient water, excessive salt, and lack of bicarbonates leading to gallstones, despite the fact that the liver is an efficient organ in emptying the liquids BEFORE it begins to digest. This is why water goes right through the stomach fast and then you have an urge to urinate within a short time.

The issue of bicarbonates is one of the reason why alkalization remedy was chosen: to support the liver function as well as granulated lecithin to emulsify the fat. That alone isn't sufficient, metabolic acidosis, excessive sugar intake causes problems too. If the body's pH is acid, calcium in the bones dissolve and blood serum calcium is high, clogging up the heart, causing stroke, clogging the liver causing If the food has excessive oils, in particular vegetable oils which biochemically becomes cholesterol, as well as excessive eating of meats leads to cholesterol. People actually don't normally think chicken to be high in cholesterol of they don't eat the skins. This thinking is wrong. Cholesterol is found just as high level in white chicken meat as it is found in any meats. Only eating more green vegetables can people lower the cholesterol. I once had an extreme case of high blood cholesterol and had trouble with reducing this issue so a more radical steps was needed to simply avoided all pork, beef and chicken as an emergency measures eating only vegetables for about a month, the figures within a month was within normal parameters. As to the goodness cholergenic acid, it is a lot simpler to just take chinese herbs high in cholergenic acid (chrysanthemum flower, lonicera flowers (jinyinhua), ucommia bark and gardenia fruit which has 20% cholergenic acid) taken ocassionally without the added risk of gout, acidosis, caffeine addiction, and dehydration associated with drinking coffee. Women get more gallstone then men because they keep going into weight crashing diets which dehydrate the body, increase the blood fats, causing gallstones when the blood becomes too concentrated and bile is too concentrated too.

Ted

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Replied By Stefanie (Palm Springs, Ca) on 03/10/2012

Gallstones are not formed from fatty foods; they can be formed from too much calcium, too much progesterone, and disorders in the liver concerning bile or cholesterol, etc. Women do not get gallstones because of diets, they get them more than men because of progesterone from birthcontrol pills, from pregancy, from hormone treatment. I am a nutritionist who eats healthy, sans mammal meats and dairy, and I had 44 gallstones that I extracted naturally myself using the gallstone flush. They formed because I was on too high a dose of progesterone.
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Replied By Michael A (Central Florida) on 01/30/2017

Hi, Stephanie: if I changed from a paleo diet about a month ago to a plant based whole foods (Protective Diet) about 5 weeks ago, do you think an inflammation in my left chest under breast area in last few days could be result of detoxing from previous diet? Maybe stones or bile? I looked it up and both liver & gallbladder are on right side, correct, so I'm wondering if this sensation of fullness in left abdomen, way under heart, could be from either? Confused!

Replied By Rachellelvn (Covina, California) on 06/02/2012

Actually it is estrogen that causes the increase in cholesterol in bile not prgesterone, if this was the case we would see a decrease in stones as women got older and periods ceased however the opposite is quite true, gallstones increase when periods cease due to decrease in progesterone.
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Replied By Jaime (Boston, MA) on 12/20/2014

I wanted to comment and add some helpful tips regarding detoxing and the liver.

I was diagnosed with Polycystic Liver Disease, as we know is a congenital disease. I'm in my late 30's and have been in the Fitness and Wellness Industry as a profession since my early teen years. I ate well for all of my life and in my late 20's switched all my foods to Organic. I've worked out as an Aerobics teacher and personal trainer. So when I was diagnosed with PLD it was a bit of a shock. I started experiencing burning in my right upper abdomen and extreme bloating by any foods that I ate was extreme. I looked like I was 6 months pregnant every time I ate. I always ate gluten free, higher organic meat proteins in moderation with low sugar including organic vegetables and fruits. I also work as a full time Sports Massage Therapist and have heavy demands on my body. When I went to the ER the conventional medical doctors were not helpful at all. They basically wanted to give me pain meds and send me on my way. I took it on my own as a Wellness person to investigate and change up my heathy lifestyle and design my diet to what fit my new disease.

First, I took out all animal protein. Consuming the heavy meats while having liver cysts would slow the liver down while it was trying to detox. A lot of fitness people try and consume 1 to 1.5 grams of protein per body weight. For some people this would be fine, but for others that have PLD or any liver dysfunctions it would be toxic. Once the meat is broken down, there can be an over abundance of ammonia in the bloodstream, which can be very toxic.

Next, I took out any organic dairy, which included cheeses for me. Dairy is one of the hardest substances for the liver to process.

Next, I cut out wine and coffee. Wine I only consumed twice a month and coffee I had organic every morning. I got it out of my system.

Next, I installed a water filtration system in my house. A lot of water in certain cities now has Chromaline in the bathing water which is absorbed in the bloodstream. It's basically toxic ammonia that cities use to cleanse water of bacteria and is cheaper for them to use than anything else. A lot of people have gotten very sick with different types of digestive disorders affecting the liver and causing tumors.

Next, I added tons of plant proteins, tons of veggies, brown rice, quinoa, herbs and ACV. I used metabolic enzymes, digestive enzymes, milk thistle, tumeric, b 12, niacin, zinc, d, c, e, and a good probiotic.

Since my change, I have no liver pain and all my bloat decreased. My energy level increased and I feel even healthier than before. Anyone can adopt this lifestyle. Any type of liver disease, I would address enzymes in the body and killing parasites. Also, the water you're drinking and bathing in. Finally, the liver absorbs all your emotional stress. Taking time away from noise, negativity and addressing past fears and anger is a priority as well. Staying away from prescription drugs and getting fresh foods with plenty of sleep can help wonders. I hope this helps. It's been 5 months for me and I will go back next year to check and see if I've shrunk my liver cysts. So far I can tell on my own I'm 75 percent better. If you're a women, keeping hormones balanced and avoiding high estrogen dominant foods and staying away from birth control is important. Try consuming at least 2 liters of filtered water a day to remove toxins and add lemon. May God bless all of you and may he heal your pain and disease.

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Replied By Daisy (Oregon) on 06/05/2015

Have you had a repeat test to see if you have improved?
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Replied By Rima (Vancouver, Bc) on 09/03/2016

Hi Jamie,

hope you getting better and was wondering if you would like to share your results. I'm pretty much in this situation and have similar lifestyle. Very much appreciate!

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