Replied By Lilia (Oahu, Hawaii ) on 04/02/2020

Replied By Akamai (Hawaii) on 04/04/2020

Using colloidal silver at the same time as SSKI is not comparable. Colloidal silver can be used to rinse the eyes (yes, they think that the eyes are a possible entry point for the virus), the nasal passages, and to gargle with.

The idea is to deactivate the virus with the silver particles so that they stop replicating in the mouth, throat, eyes and nasal passages before they progress into the lungs. It is current belief that most covid-19 infections start in these areas first. I have read some accounts of persons nebulizing colloidal silver or copper which seemed to work well to stop the virus, but remember that colloidal metals are chunks of metal containing hundreds if not thousands of metal molecules which the lungs have no practical way to absorb or clear. Short term gain but long term pain.

Btw, a few drops of SSKI or 10-20 drops of lugol's iodine in distilled water to rinse the afore mentioned eyes nose mouth and throat. Test a small amount of either of these solutions ( SSKI or lugol's) first and wait a day for reactions if you intend to ingest the iodine. Sometimes it is enough to simply paint lugol's or dilluted SSKI on the skin of sensitive individuals to get a reaction which would be an indication NOT to use iodine. Colloidal silver can be ingested also and would help to fight the virus systemically.

Blessings, Akamai

Replied By Earth Clinic (USA) on 04/06/2020

* Art wants to make it very clear to Earth Clinic readers that this is strictly a conversation between himself and me, and he is not recommending or suggesting that anyone do what he is doing.

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** The acronym AGNP stands for Silver Nanoparticles.
AG – Element for Silver.
NP – Acronym for Nanoparticle.

Many thanks to Cathy Colorado on Facebook for asking us to clarify the acronym AGNP.

Art writes: “Hi Deirdre,

This is a tough case to argue, one way or the other because quality human studies of AGNP inhalation are lacking. This leaves us only animal/rodent studies or anecdotal evidence to call upon and those studies show that inhaled AGNPs end up in the blood and from there to other parts of the body, which is very similar to if you had taken the AGNPs orally, in which case they will end up being excreted as though taken through the oral route. In those animal studies they are talking about continuous inhalation for many days (90 days), which is many magnitudes higher intake that what I actually do in practice where inhalation is limited to minutes over a period of perhaps a week at most. For myself, I might inhale AGNPS four times a day for 10 minutes at a time or a total of 40 minutes per day, times 7 days is 280 minutes or less than 5 hours of inhalation in total over a complete treatment cycle, compared to continuous inhalation for 90 days in animal studies which would be equivalent to 2,160 hours of inhalation. Based on the available animal studies in relation to actual use rate in humans, it seems like the risk is going to be similar to ingesting AGNPs with the main difference being that oral consumption is generally going to be much, much greater than the amount of silver that can be inhaled in my full 7 day treatment cycle. Almost everything we do has some risk involved including drinking and inhaling AGNPs, so the context of that use is definitely a factor in weighing the risk to reward ratio.

Typical discussion regarding AGNPs today is going to be generally aimed at its use against SARS CoV-2/Covid-19 which is known to be fatal in some cases and even survivors can end up with long lasting damage to their lungs. As an example, I have a cousin who was recently diagnosed with Covid-19 when he went to the hospital with great difficulty breathing and was admitted and tested positive for Covid-19. He was diagnosed with pneumonia and was treated for it, but there was permanent lung damage that he will have to deal with for years to come. The good news is that he survived Covid 19 and was eventually released from the hospital to finish healing at home. In the context of the known fatality rate of this disease and the many complications that can arise from it, my choice for “myself” would be to weigh the risk of what I am trying to treat, Covid-19, verses the potential benefit of using what I have always used for many years to treat colds, flu and various other health issues and after weighing those two risks, my choice is clear, especially since it is now proven that Covid-19 is found throughout the body and is not confined to the lungs of the people who have succumbed to this disease.

Since the viral particles are slightly larger than or about the same size ( 70 to 90 nm) as some AGNPs (1 to 100 nm), they may possibly travel in a similar way in the body which would be ideal in terms of locating and destroying these viral particles in my body.

Another major point to consider is that the SARS CoV-2 / Covid-19 virus has shown the ability to initially retard the normal human immune response essentially giving the virus a head start against the immune system. This gives the virus a chance to attach to many cells unabated which it then hijacks to use to make these cells into mini virus replicating factories. The cells eventually die and all the virus that has been produced inside the cell are released to find other cells to hijack and use for virus replication. This sounds like a scene from Alien! The immune system then starts to return to normal and begins a massive production of inflammatory cytokines to try and compensate for the initial retarded response to the virus. Unfortunately this can be a major contributing factor to the “cytokine storm” that not only goes after the virus, but also destroys normal human cells in this “over response” by the immune system that often ends up in death. For me, I would like to avoid this cytokine storm as well as the potential for deadly pneumonia. So for me, and I can only speak for myself and not tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do, I will start an AGNP regimen at the first signs of infection such as fever, sore throat, body ache or flu like symptoms. I will not wait until I am having a hard time catching my breath or am otherwise having a hard time breathing as this can be an indication of pneumonia that is becoming well entrenched in the lungs. In this context, I will take the risk of using AGNPs over the risk of doing nothing until a hospital is willing to take me in and test me for Covid-19! I have been using this AGNP regimen effectively for many years now with no apparent problems! If there were actual human studies that indicated a risk of using AGNPs at this relatively low dose, I might reconsider, but even then, I would still weigh the risk of AGNPs compared to the risk of dying from the virus!

Lastly, I would like to mention that, if AGNPs work against SARS CoV-2 / Covid-19 (which is currently unknown)
and I do take the AGNPs at the first virus symptoms, this means that my body will be starting to make antibodies against the virus and I consider that the AGNPs are augmenting this virus attenuated immune response, I will be increasing my odds for survival as well as opening the door for herd immunity for myself in case the virus comes back annually, such as the yearly flu cycle, in which case my immune system will likely be better prepared to deal with the virus in the future.”

Art emails again:

“Deirdre,

Some of the statements that that poster made are incorrect.

He said that the virus is thought to gather in the throat area and then move on into the lungs, but as far as scientists and doctors have been able to determine at this point, that all happens in one step as the viral particles are inhaled. Some particles land in the lungs while some land in the throat, nasal passages and pretty much everywhere that the inhaled air takes it as it “rides on the wind”, so to speak, so it all happens at once and so if you have a sore throat, it should be considered that the virus is also in the lungs as well as other parts of the body. Because the viral particles are similar in size to AGNPs, this is likely how they end up in the blood, just like the AGNPs. The important point to remember here is that the viral particles in the lungs can do very significant damage while reproducing in the lungs rapidly. Whatever treatment is employed has to actively deal with the lungs or risk the complications associated with the virus in the lungs. Drinking colloidal silver will not accomplish this because it will never get to the interior of the lungs. Silver has to come in actual contact with a pathogen in order to neutralize it.

He mentions the use of two forms of iodine and like silver, it is highly likely to be active against the virus, but as yet not proven for either one. What he doesn't mention is the side effects related to iodine use or colloidal silver use. In this case, iodine is the loser. Here is an incomplete list of iodine side effects:

Iodine: Side Effects, Dosages, Treatment, Interactions, Warnings

Notice that one potential side effect of iodine is the accumulation of fluid in the lungs. This is probably not what you want in a patient that has pneumonia with already to much fluid in the lungs. Do you hand a drowning man a glass of water?

Silver does not have these side effects. There is the possibility that a person can be allergic to silver, but that would be rare and anyone can be allergic to almost anything. He describes skin testing the iodine before consuming it. That idea right there shows that he knows that people can be allergic or otherwise reactive to iodine, but skin testing does not guarantee that oral dosing will not cause an adverse reaction.

The way he worded his post, he wasn't very clear, but it sounded like he feels that iodine is more effective than AGNPs. I think they are comparable in some ways, but iodine has potential for many more side effects as illustrated above and that would be a definite problem for long term treatment of a chronic virus infection such as HIV where the treatment would have to be taken daily at a dose effective enough to neutralize circulating virus particles where as properly made AGNPs can do so without problem.

I think, Deirdre, that if you choose to make an argument for or against almost anything, you can, but in this particular case, the context is Covid-19 and given what is known about the virus, I don't really see much argument against AGNPs for the purpose of destroying the virus, which it is likely capable of doing in a way that people already use AGNPs, so for me, his argument is null.

The poster also mentioned nebulizing. I don't think a nebulizer can deliver enough silver in a reasonable amount of time whereas a small room cool mist vaporizer/humidifier can.

I don't know if I have ever mentioned this to you before, but when I vaporize AGNPs, I only use about two ounces per session and dump out any remaining in the vaporizer and pour in two ounces when I do the next session. The reason for never reusing what is left in the vaporizer is the fact that the ultrasonic force that is applied to the AGNPs in the vaporizer can knock the AGNPs out of suspension and cause them to agglomerate and fall to the floor of the vaporizer which means there will be less AGNPs available in what remains in the vaporizer after a use.

Replied By Akamai (Hawaii) on 04/07/2020

I am in receipt of your email. First, intervention with any type of nebulized solution is best done at stage one where ROS, macrophages and viral ran as well other cell debris are not so cluttered and the surface Lumina is still relatively intact and localized oxidative stress Is not too great. At this stage even H2O2 would be a good choice even though it would raise the local oxidative stress somewhat. It has the advantage if supplying Oxygen which would be beneficial. Also, it would not become part of the debris in the lungs which are a secondary problem for macrophages and deter them from the primary target which is the active viral particles.

Colloidal particles are not molecular in solution and while I have no problem eating these particles or rinsing oral nasal passages with colloidal silver I do not like the idea of small chunks of metal in the lungs. Consider the effect on the kidneys if these chunks actually do get into the blood. While the digestive tract would reject these larger chunks the lungs have no natural way to absorb them and they could well become part of the debris field as they have no natural action to dissolve or disrupt dead viral parts and macrophages and may become part of the problem. This would not happen with H2O2 in solution as oxygen and water are the only end products. Colloidal copper would be even worse as it is carcinogenic in concentration and trapped in debris in lung tissue would sooner or later produce carcinoma.

Now if you used molecular silver this may be ok but I do no know of any such product available. Even these small size colloidal silver that you speak of are very difficult to produce with uniform size. Sometimes even red blood cells are swollen due to certain diseases and can get stuck and clog capillaries. Even Dr. Sircus agrees with you regarding nebulizing colloidal silver and this is one material I disagree with.

Secondly, Dr Sircus also agrees with your assessment about iodine, at least in part. Dr Sircus abdicated using nascent iodine and so do I; but maintains that nebulizingh KI is dangerous. What I say is that it depends on the amount. My computations show that less than one microgram of KI would be all that is necessary to do the job. I do not believe that this amount of Potassium would be detrimental. Additionally one could ingest sodium bicarbonate or salt to buffer the load of potassium which does enter the bloodstream. KI is ph neutral in any solution of ph neutral water. Some of the iodine would be expelled through the breath leaving k+ which would alkaline the local region and help balance the acidity from acidic protein debris. Also, sodium causes water retention and potassium has some diuretic functions. This is one reason why I do not prefer nebulizingh sodium bicarbonate for this problem. Also, Thailand reported most fatalities were hypokalemic.

I do agree that too much potassium is harmful and any one with high blood potassium or who takes medications which interfere or react with potassium should REFRAIN from using SSKI OR KI. Also, it is difficult to measure less than a microgram of anything and this is why I suggested using a simple bubbler where the user controls the intake with the breath. One breath is sufficient and time should be taken to allow the system to absorb and process it. What I did was put one milligram of KI into one liter of water. I took one slow inhale held it for a moment and slowly exhaled. I waited a moment and noticed my heart rate increased about 15%. It took about 5 minutes to drop back down. Now, I did this because I have chronic nasal polyps which obstruct any nasal respiration and I have been waking up with some minimal wheezing in the upper respiratory tract for six months maybe longer. I immediately felt an improvement in breathing. Two hours later I took another breath with similar effect. So far I have only taken six breaths; the wheezing is completely gone and the polyps with the help of low doses and topical applications of D3 are shrinking up significantly. Now I do not know for sure that the virus harbored in my bronchial passages was covid19 but it was viral and could gave been as it was getting worse. No doubt it was some virus similar in nature. What amazed me is how quickly and effective it worked with such a small amount ( probably 1/10 of a microgram or less). I do often take large amounts of KI and lugol's and have not seen this kind of benefit to the respiratory tract with oral administration.

While we seem to be in agreement about the methodology of directly inactivating the virus in the respiratory tract during the phase one of the disease, the choices available all have their individual benefits and perils; and every one is somewhat different metabolically which compounds the problem. Some people react to the iodine alone, this is why I posted testing the iodine you intend to use on the skin for sensitive individuals and those not familiar with using iodine.

I read documents coming out of China which clearly identified covid-19 proliferating in the nasal passages, the back of the roof of the mouth and the upper adenoids region. The it would be difficult to get a cluster of virus all the way down into the lower part of the lungs and is much more likely that the exposed individual would incubate the virus in these spots of the upper respiratory tract where they would multiply significantly and simply migrate to the lower part of the lungs after they started to exhaust the macrophage capacity of the individual. So percentage wise, I do not believe that a few viral particles inhaled into the lower lungs would have a chance against macrophages in a healthy individual. There are many ways immunity could be compromised long enough for covid-19 to take primary site in the lower lungs; even intense exercise in otherwise healthy athletes will lower immunity significantly. Insufficient vitamin D, zinc selenium, magnesium, etc.. However it is much more likely that the mouth and nasal regions are the primary site in healthy individuals, statistically.

Recovery from covid-19 even after all virus has been deactivated is difficult and time consuming as all the debris in the lungs need to be cleared and lung tissue needs to heal. Scar tissue is a problem here and this is why I am so concerned about the side effects of interventions. Expectorants could play a role here and a few drops of SSKI in distilled water has been used as an effective expectorant for decades even a century. It is especially useful for the kind of dry nonproductive cough seen with covid-19.

I want to express my most sincere and heartfelt gratitude for the opportunity to communicate and discuss these vital topics in this forum. It is my opinion that this virus will never be eradicated, that's it's contageousness is due partly to its novelty as no specific antibodies existed and that vaccines will not be effective for immune compromised individuals who comprise the majority of serious cases and fatalities. It is imperative that we all work together for alternative methodologies which are effective, practical and affordable. Certainly, taking drugs like chloroq– is not a practical long term solution.

Replied By Art (California) on 04/08/2020

Going back to the “chunks of metal” that you refer to AGNPs as, these are generally under 50 nanometers in size and would not qualify as chunks by any standard as they are not even visible to the naked eye. You say that these can cause problems in the lungs, but in years of use, I have never had an issue with my lungs from inhaling AGNPs, only benefit. You seem to feel that AGNPs can somehow become part of the debris field adding to the burden of the dead material that must be removed from the lungs. This thinking is not in line with the available studies which clearly state that the inhaled AGNPs end up in the blood which you say could be a problem and then you go on to say that you have no problem “eating these particles” which is actually drinking them, but once you drink AGNPs, studies are very clear in saying that they will end up in the blood and this is where studies also show that inhaled AGNPs end up. So how can it be bad for you to inhale AGNPs if they end up in the blood, yet you say it is okay for you to drink AGNPs even though they too end up in the blood? That makes no sense. The AGNPs will not only go to the kidneys once in the blood, but pretty much everywhere where the blood goes and this has not shown to be a problem at dosing that has been found to destroy multiple bacteria and viruses while being relatively safe for normal human cells. You make it sound like this will be bad for the kidneys, but studies do not confirm what you are saying at the minute dosages used. If you think it would be bad for the kidneys, why would you say you have no problem drinking them when you know that the AGNPs will go to the kidneys as well as other areas of the body, yet you say that they could be a problem for the kidneys?

You said that Dr. Sircus agrees with me regarding nebulizing and I imagine that is because he has read the available studies. Here is a very brief video of another doctor who agrees and shows how he uses it for his patients. His method is very simple and easy to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv8cdWp4Q30

Again, I am only describing what I would do and do not recommend that any one else do the same. You should consult your doctor or medical care professional as SARS CoV-2/Covid-19 can be deadly!

Art

Replied By Bill (Philippines) on 04/10/2020

The lungs get rid of debris by cilia action, not by “sweeping”. The cilia cells in the lower lungs beat continuously to causing an upward current that gently drives both the mucus and any debris towards the bronchial opening at the top of the lungs. Once they are at the top of the lungs the human can then cough up the mucus and either swallow it or spit it out.

Concerning your conviction that AGNP are too large to be absorbed by lung cells and are always left as debris in the lungs — that is also wrong. I always recommend a AGNP size of 10nm when supplementing. It's also quite well known that viruses vary in size from 20nm to 200nm and these viruses seem to be able to penetrate human cells — including the alveoli cells in the lungs — and enter the blood from the lungs without a problem. So if that's the case then there seems to be no real reason why the lung alveoli shouldn't also be able to absorb 10nm AGNP particles directly into the blood without any problems as well.

You've also mentioned your belief that the Na/K pumps are the main cause for cytokine storms occurring in COVID-19. Sorry, but that is also wrong. The main reason cytokine storms happen is mainly because of the out-of-control chemical signaling that occurs between the immune system and the cells producing the anti-bodies. Due to this awry signalling, a huge over-production of antibodies occurs. These out-of-control antibodies then swarm to the lungs and actively and continuously destroy the cells of the lungs — the alveoli. Massive cell destruction occurs, which rapidly leads to fluid continuously collecting in the lungs(pleurisy) with a large increase in histamine production, which is very dangerous for asthma patients. This reduces the oxygen absorbing area of the lungs so the COVID-19 patient cannot get enough oxygen. Finally, this can lead to organ sepsis, coma and death for the patient. Modern medicine's normal treatment for this situation is to put the patient into an induced coma and on a ventillator. Unfortunately, from the current treatment statistics, anyone taking this route will only have a 20% chance of survival. And if you are an older or ancient person like me and you get put on a ventillator, then your chances of survival are even less.

And if you want remedies that will stop the cytokine storm in its tracks as well as kill the virus then you should investigate TCM medicine, Ozone therapy, Vitamin C IV therapy, Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy and herbs like Tumeric and Olive Leaf extract. TCM medicine is perhaps the easiest to use. In my investigations, I have found the following Chinese herbal remendies to be quite useful: Gan Mao Ling(kills viruses, disperses fever, stops cytokine storms), Zhong Gan Ling(best used to lower fever that is higher than 102 degrees C) and Yin Chiaow(used for colds, flu, sore throat). I am only recommending these TCM remedies because China has been very successful at treating and beating the COVID-19 virus. The main reason for this is because she has been using using TCM doctors in over 75% of her hospitals from the onset of the pandemic. That's why China's death rate is so low compared to other countries. I also recommend TCM herbs because it provides the most complete remedy for COVID-19. I've also recommended other specific anti-viral remedies — which will also work just to kill the virus — but I think that the TCM remedies are perhaps the most complete, accessible, cheap and easiest to use against the COVID-19 virus.

Replied By Akamai (Hawaii) on 04/13/2020

Thanks for this email.

I am still looking for any data on the nutritional requirements for silver. No rda is established or warranted. 10nm so what. How many atoms is that? Do you understand that metals atoms are attracted and stick to each other? Do know what happens to a silver atom when it comes in contact with iodine or chlorine? How is a cellular iodine deficiency resolved by adding silver?

Data shows covid19 mortalities are hypokalemic. Potassium gradient controls the rate of macrophage release; and a high release rate triggers the production of ROS such as H2O2 and this high rate snowballs into a cytokine storm. So tell me again how slowing down the Na/K pump does not direct the immune response. What other sensing mechananisms do the cells in the lungs have?

Now to the sweeping action bit. It is like a sweeping action only not as efficient. Good thing it works 24/7 else it would not work at all. Smaller particles are harder to sweep. If it can not sweep out a 20÷ nm virus what makes you think it can sweep a 10nm metal particle? Yes the virus may be bigger but the metal is heavier and denser.

AGNP is still a clump of atoms and this is why people who use it need to vaporize large amounts for long times. It does not disperse like charged ions of iodine do. Quote me all the studies you like regarding lab rats and the effect of nebulized AGNP, but find one that shows effects of habitual use for years, because I have not found one.

Hydrogen peroxide is a ROS So how is adding it to the battle field not increasing local ROS? As I posted, nebulizing H2O2 will get the job done in the very early stage but any later one runs the risk of exacerbating oxidative stress snowballing into cytokine storm. Systemic oxygen is good but it only treats the system. What most even good intentioned people fail to understand is that the mature virus in the lungs is on the outside of the body and not directly subject to all of the immune treatments you listed.

There are three genetic mechanisms in the novel cov-stars-2 virus. This is unique as no other encapsulated virus has more than one mechanism to first gain entry to living cells. Two of these genomes are similar to other corona viruses and one is similar to HIV-1. This suggests serious mutation either by 5G radiation or similar manmade intervention. Wuhan City was one of the first to roll out 5G. The same frequencies are used by military in their so called non-lethal weapons programs. These frequencies are known to severely reduce glutathione. Little silver particles act as antennas for these frequencies. Tell me again how you think it is a good idea to flood your body with billions of little silver antennas. Why does art say he gets a cold or flu every few months if AGNP is so good for you.

I am not going to tell you all the vitamins and minerals that are useful in respiratory viruses, but you might well take some time to research this as you do not mention any save the vitamin c. I will give you a place to start. Iodine and potassium. No amount of silver will restore a healthy metabolic balance in a sick or unhealthy individual. Silver bullets kill; they do not heal or restore healthy balance.

I am very familiar with Chinese patent formulas and individual herbs and TCM theory. If they have an effective treatment why did so many Chinese die?

I say I have a treatment that works, takes one minute per treatment session, no more than three treatments per day or ten treatments total and costs less than a penny per treatment. It uses a nutritional supplement in a dosage that is miniscule compared established rda and should not need any FDA drug approval. I have all the research supporting data for how this works and what vitamins and minerals to take to support the immune system in addition to the actual treatment. I have used this treatment and vitamin/mineral protocol with astounding
results on some respiratory virus yet to be tested for covid19 antibodies. What I do not understand is what the problem is. Potassium iodide has been used for over a century. So tell me again what your objection is to a few hundred nanograms of KI.

Sincerely, Akamai

Replied By Bill (Philippines) on 04/14/2020

“So how is it that something 10nm in size would not obstruct the alveolar portal?”
As I mentioned and have fully described in my last post to you, if viruses that usually have a particle size of between 20nm and 200nm can so easily pass into the blood via the alveoli cells of the lungs then why can't a 10nm particle of AGNP pass into the blood in the same way? This isn't rocket science, it's just common sense.

“I am still looking for any data on the nutritional requirements for silver. No rda is established or warranted.”

Who's been talking about nutritional requirements of silver? This thread or discussion is all about the best ways of naturally treating COVID-19 + pneumpia(with complications). And this thread also discusses the usefulness of using AGNP to kill the COVID-19 virus which you dispute. So perhaps it's best not to wander off on distant, irrelevant trails — such as discussing the dietary requirements for silver — that are not really relevant to this discussion.

“What most even good intentioned people fail to understand is that the mature virus in the lungs is on the outside of the body and not directly subject to all of the immune treatments you listed.”

What a strange thing to say! Your suggestion “that the mature virus in the lungs is on the outside of the body” is really quite weird and wrong. It's fairly common knowledge that all viruses pass into the blood either thru infction thru the nasal passages or lungs into the blood where they will replicate by attaching to the host cell and inject their DNA or RNA into the host cells and, after taking over the cell's mitochondria, the virus replicates itself within the host cell and is eventually released back into the blood. See this link on viral replication:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_replication

The above would suggest that viruses must therefore inhabit the blood(where they can also be destroyed by a healthy immune system or AGNP) where they are also able to penetrate the hosts cells. This would seem to also confirm that viruses regularly inhabit the inner environment of the human body — not the “outside” environment of the lungs, whatever the heck that means. I'm sorry but I find your arguments here somewhat ethereal, blurry and without any basis at all.

“If they have an effective treatment[re: TCM medicine] why did so many Chinese die?”

I've already explained all that in my previous post. Obviously, initially, a large amount of TCM herbs would be needed by the Chinese hospitals — obtaining a such a large amount of such herbs for wide hospital distribution will normally take some time to set up. And in any pandemic people will die — that's a given. But I will also counter your question with more facts. China's COVID-19 death rate is currently between 0 and 3 people a day — it is the lowest COVID-19 death rate in the world.

See this link for details:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic_in_mainland_China

Using “off label” drugs like lopinavir, ritonavir, remdesivir or hydroxychloroquine might be useful in killing the virus but will be of no use at all for people who already have pneumonia(with complications like cytokine storms). China has been using these “off label” antiviral in combination with TCM protocols, which also act to prevent or stop the cytokine storms in patients thus saving lives. And, according to the statistics, they have been successful. Here are some live comparison statitics on current death rates from COVID-19 which might convince you:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

As you can see from the stats, the Chinese death rate is currently 2 deaths per million — which is way lower than most other country's death rate per million. And I also find it strange that you would so hastily criticize China's COVID-19 performance in light of the fact that both Europe and the US have such awful infection rates and death rates in comparison to the China stats.

“Systemic oxygen is good but it only treats the system.”

That's wrong too. You can successfully treat a patient by using ozone therapy or pure oxygen inhalation therapy. That's the protocol that South Korea was screaming to the world and nobody listened. Here's some ozone therapy evidence here:

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/02/14/Oxygen-therapy-working-for-coronavirus-patient-Seoul-says/6651581696794/

It's also well known that having ozone injections or nebulizing hydrogen peroxide will also help to oxygenate cells and kill viruses and likewise prevent cytokine storms. All these forms deliver oxygen to the cells, kill viruses and will act to stop the dangerous cytokine storms. Here's some research which confirms that oxygen kills viruses — ANY virus:

https://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/abs/10.1139/m90-097
https://www.scirp.org/html/1-1360091_61563.htm

There's also alot more positive research on ozone therapy if you would care to look for it yourself. You can use Google Scholar to search for the required research to find out what ozone therapy can do reference viruses and bacteria.

“Hydrogen peroxide is a ROS So how is adding it to the battle field not increasing local ROS?”

Well, hydrogen Peroxid e(HP) can act in a good and bad way in the human body. In fact it is well known in research that phagosomes act by surrounding the pathogen and creating what's called a “respiratory burst” whereby the phagocyte, neutrophil or eosinophil sprays out hydrogen peroxide, hypochlorous acid and hypoiodous acid over the virus or bacteria rapidly killing it by oxidation. You can read all about this defense mechanism in the research here:

http://www.iodineresearch.com/immunepg1.html

The point is that hydrogen peroxide is well known to the body. It's deleterious or destructive effects are usually prevented thru the action of mainly the catalase and SOD enzymes of the body which also remove any excess hypochlorous or hypoiodous acid from the blood as well.

As to the effectiveness of hydrogen peroxide against pathogens, I always follow what Ted from Bangkok has said about hydrogen peroxide on this website. Ted is a highly qualified biochemist and herbalist, so I would certainly trust his judgement and recommendations. He also recommends using nebulized 1% hydrogen peroxide.

“I say I have a treatment that works, takes one minute per treatment session, no more than three treatments per day or ten treatments total and costs less than a penny per treatment.”

It is common habit for most posters on the EarthClinic website to share their remedies and protocols that have worked for them. They do this to try and help other sick people with the same medical conditions.

But here you are saying that you have a nutrient protocol that will cure the COVID-19 condition without fail. So why won't you fully share that remedy or nutrient protocol on this website? What is your own treatment — in detail please — for the COVID-19 condition? Are you willing to share it?

Replied By J. Park (Los Angeles, Ca, Us) on 05/05/2020

However, there one point I'm forced to make here about Chinese Statistics. In short, I do NOT trust what they say, so my calculations of C19 always left out China, Iran, even Japan (sometimes). You seem to have a very solid faith on Chinese # but I don't. Their current death # is ar 4600 which I found to be a total joke. We, western world, know how many crematories in City of Wuhan, their processing capacities, and the fact that they were(not now) running 24/7. We also know the fumes they generate in sky which were taken by satellites, the fumes from burning “ORGANIC” materials. We even heard an anecdotal story by a truck driver who handled 5000 bone box in 1 day etc etc. China is by now world-famous for cheating, stealing, lying, wrong? Many many American secret/confidential commercial materials were stolen, copied, used to make forgeries. Chinese people were killed/starved in millions in history by the communist regime and the people were used as expendable items during Korean war. The regime never hesitates killing mass Chinese to achieve their purposes, since they were so used to it.

TCM is another area I have many doubts and I have background in TCM. Their “herbs” have no practical standards, each herb with same name can have many differences, place of origin, harvesting time, handling skills, condition/time of storage, etc. Compared to modern medicine, chemical formula, purity, packaging alone quite severely restrict the quality. TCM has history of thousand years and it would be surprising they came up with TCM cure in so short time. I know TCM and they can hardly cure serious diseases.

As a researcher in Alt. medicine, I trust just about all you mentioned, Hydrogen Peroxide, Ozone, pure oxygen, colloidal silver/copper and this is the way to go while we don't have official cure for this C19. Even after they find “CURE”, I'd rather use alt means which is more powerful, hardly any side effect and much cheaper.

My personal guesstimate of their deaths are somewhere ar 100 times the official figures,
Of course I have no proof :), but I'd be shocked to be proven otherwise later.

Replied By Bill (Philippines) on 05/06/2020

This is about trusting Western Medicine. In a recent US medical trial using Remdesivir, the results are in. It was found that survivors on Remdesivr were discharged after 11 days whereas the survivors of the placebo group(no drugs) were discharge in 15 days. In the Remdesivir group, 8 people died. In the placebo group, 11 people died. They then declared Remdesivir a wonderful success. From those results, I personally would never rate those Remdesivir trial results as a successful. Not even close. China would also seem to agree because when I checked the Chinese Clinical Trials Registry Database, they were also testing Remdesivir a month and a half previously and they stopped the Remdesivir trial in favor of other more successful strategies like using Actemra + TCM herbal protocols. Actemra is a Japanese arthritis drug that suppresses dangerous cytokine storms causing complications and death while the TCM protocols were used to actually kill the virus itself. You heard that right and they've been using this protocol very successfully in China for a while now.

Now, if you're still unconvinced, try and picture something else. God forbid, but imagine that your mother has been infected by COVID-19 and she is in a very serious state in a US hospital ICU. You also know from her doctor that your mother will probably likely die from COVID-19, because she is an older person with perhaps other significant illnesses with a much weakened immune system. Current treatment for COVID-19 just involves putting the patient to sleep on a ventilator with oxygen and no drugs. So are you just going to give up and make arrangements for your mother's funeral or, knowing what just I've just told you about the success of Chinese TCM, would you be willing to at least try using Chinese TCM to save your mother's life? When all's said and done and it gets up close and personal like that, all the ongoing political propaganda and misinformation and all the biased and thoroughly confused western media reporting really shouldn't come into it. Because all you want to do is save your mother's life. And right there is the reality of it all.