Ginny (Memphis, Tn) on 07/02/2015
I've been giving my dog HeartGuard as heartworm prevention ever since she was a pup. Her last vet visit indicated a heartworm positive test. She isn't in the advanced stages, but I already knew giving her the "traditional" treatment was not going to be an option for me. She's on a predominantly raw food diet and is eating fine. She's almost 10 years old too.
After reading this website, I felt intuitively I should start with the VRM2 that so many talked about here. So I ordered 2 bottles from the chiropractor and started her 3 days ago. I'm also giving her a clove of garlic in her food every day.
This morning I took her out and noticed she was acting a little strange - sitting in the middle of the yard, not running around as usual. When I looked closer, I noticed she had what I thought was just some leftover grass/poop hanging on her butt (sorry - I know kind of gross! ), and she totally freaks out when something is hanging there so I grabbed a leaf to take care of it. What I noticed were these long strings hanging there. At first I thought it was just long pieces of grass but after researching a bit further I now realize these are heartworms coming out of her. After only 3 days on the VRM2!!! I was amazed. Now she's not completely comfortable so I think more are going to be coming out, but I honestly believe giving her that VRM2 is working. When this happens again I'm going to put it in a baggie to show my vet just to be sure. I'm convinced that what's happening though so I wanted to share here.
I'm going to make a spray of tea tree or melaleuca oil and water to use on her anus area for relief too. I'll continue the VRM2 treatment for 11 more days as suggested here and I'll have her tested again after.
Dosage I'm giving her is 1 capsule in food (taking contents out of capsule and putting directly in food). She's 65 lbs.
(Mpls., Mn) on 07/03/2015Theresa
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I am so happy that you are getting results with the VRM2!
I do have to respectfully clarify the results you are seeing; heartworms do NOT come out of the GI tract - you are likely looking at another type of worm that has infested your dog's intestines. Hearworms when killed off stay in the bloodstream and slowly break up and are filtered out by the lungs and other organs. For this reason it is helpful to provide liver and kidney support and to keep your dog on very limited exercise/stay on crate rest as the heartworms dissolve and are filtered out by the lungs.
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(Mpls., Mn) on 07/31/2015Theresa
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Theresa's interest in pet health started with a bird keeping hobby at age 14, where she learned from another hobbyist that the simple addition of Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) in a bird's drinking water kept fungal infections away; she was able to share this with her avian vet who in turn prescribed it to her own clients; Theresa was surprised to learn that she could teach her vet a thing or two. This important lesson - that each of us can be a teacher - was a turning point for Theresa, and fueled her quest for the knowledge held in lore, and remedies passed by word of mouth. That quest for knowledge continues to this day, as new and old remedies alike are explored. She may not have experience with a particular issue, but she will research it to the best of her ability and share what she finds freely, in the hopes that you can heal or improve your pet's health.
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I strongly encourage you to speak directly with the company that sells this product for product dosing information, and to report back to the forum and let us know what dose worked for you.
That said, from the various posts on the topic for dosing:
There is only one brand of VRM2 - its made by Systemic Formulas and is part of their 'Bio-Challenge' line.
Their website and many others stress to NOT start using this product unless you can see it through to the full course of treatment which is 4 - 6 cycles of dosing VRM2 of 10 days on, 5 days off. A bottle holds 30 capsules - and the bottle also says to adjust for weight, so *maybe* 1 capsule to 1-1/2 capsule for the 14 pound dog and 1-1/2 to 2 capsules for the 24 pound dog [again, please check with the company that sells you this product as they do provide customer service]. Dose half the total dose for each dog am and pm - on an empty stomach is ideal. So you are looking at a treatment regime of pills for 10 days, then off for 5 - and 6 cycles is recommended schedule; be sure you order enough to accommodate this schedule for both dogs. Also recommended while on the VRM2 treatment from the same company is their heart supplement [Biofunction H] and their kidney support [Biofunction K].
Please read up on heart worm and supportive care if you wish to treat your dog for heart worm:
http://www.homesforpets.org/heartworm_aftercare.pdf
https://www.google.com/#q=what+happens+during+heartworm+treatment
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=610
http://www.heartwormsociety.org/pet-owner-resources/canine-heartworm.html
Theresa
Replied By Ginny (Southaven, Ms) on 08/20/2015
I'm considering the method of giving her the antibiotic for 30 days, then 2 Heartguard pills a month for 6 months, with one more 30 day round of the antibiotic the 3rd month.
She has a slight cough but no other symptoms and she's been on Heart worm preventative her whole life. They offered to pay for the treatment but of course that's the arsenic and I don't want to do that. So my questions are:
1) Anyone used the VRM2 but had to do more than one treatment?
2) Opinion of the other above method?
3) When to test again?
Thank you!
Replied By Trill (Atlanta, Ga) on 12/20/2015
Heartworms swim against the current, when they die they wash away with the current. Not a problem when they die one at a time, but a large die off can clog arteries and can be deadly if the dogs activity is not severely restricted. VRM2 saved my dogs life, but I kept her quiet and mostly crated for a couple weeks, as recommended by all vets, traditional as well as natural, so the worms could slowly make the way through her system and be dissolved.
Replied By Brenda (Cali Former San Antonio) on 01/18/2016
1) do not go by the instructions on the bottle, run it for 14 days straight. The dose can be from a 1/2 a cap up to 3 caps a day depending on the weight of the dog. A heart support is recommended like Q10 or anything a health store can recommend that is safe for dogs.
2) You don't have to restrict your dog from playing and being their normal self because the VRM2 is killing the worm slowly and the body is naturally breaking it down. I would not over exercise your dog though. You will see within a few days how they perk up and have more energy.
3) VRM2 kills other parasites as well like roundworm, hookworm etc., not just heart worm.
4) If you are getting a blood test after treatment, 3 to 6 months is recommended. If done before, it can result in a false positive. I have to say that I am just loving the positive and good results people are having and the animals that are being saved from a painful death. Yea!
Replied By Joyce (California) on 02/16/2016
When you say do it for 14 days, that it. What do you mean? The treatment doesnt end there, so what's the next step. I am so uneducated about heart worm so forgive my ignorance. But I am learning. I was going to go with HWF for treatment, but when I read your dog was only 7 lbs I decided to go with this because that how much my charlie weighs. Thank you.Jo
Replied By Joyce (California ) on 03/01/2016
How many mg of the q10 did you give to your dog daily. Thanks, Jo
Replied By Brenda Turner (Ca Previous San Antonio) on 01/18/2016
When I first fell upon it by accident in Texas at a health store, I was instructed to give my small dog of 7 lbs - 1/2 a cap a day for 14 days. That is it. I also was given a heart support for her because she was so advanced. This treatment cured her. I feel you can give up to 3 capsules a day depending on the size and weight of the dog, but for 14 days only.
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I guess my question is should I start the vrm2 now while she is still on the doxy? Or wait till the doxy is done in 2 weeks??? Thanks in advance
(Mpls., Mn) on 08/02/2016Theresa
The wonderful Theresa from Minneapolis, MN has been helping pet owners and their beloved pets around the world on Earth Clinic since 2013.
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Her love for creatures great and small began at an early age, starting with caterpillars - which continues to this day, along with an interest in all insects and 'creepy crawlies'.
Theresa's interest in pet health started with a bird keeping hobby at age 14, where she learned from another hobbyist that the simple addition of Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) in a bird's drinking water kept fungal infections away; she was able to share this with her avian vet who in turn prescribed it to her own clients; Theresa was surprised to learn that she could teach her vet a thing or two. This important lesson - that each of us can be a teacher - was a turning point for Theresa, and fueled her quest for the knowledge held in lore, and remedies passed by word of mouth. That quest for knowledge continues to this day, as new and old remedies alike are explored. She may not have experience with a particular issue, but she will research it to the best of her ability and share what she finds freely, in the hopes that you can heal or improve your pet's health.
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Opinions will vary on whether to treat now or wait for 2 weeks for the doxy regime to conclude. Read up for ideas on how you would like to proceed:
http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/11/22/cheaper-safer-therapy-for-heartworm.aspx
And since you are working with a vet in treating your dog's heartworm, please consider bringing this question to your vet, along with discussing using the VRM2 in lieu of the Immiticide.
Replied By Irina (Ca) on 08/02/2016
With my dog I started with Vi-Bactra Plus (natural antibiotic for 7 days, had 5 day break and now I am on a first round of VRM2 (today, as amateur of fact day 10), I also give her HSII and CQ10 for hear support, and garlic once a day, now I'll stop VRM2 for 5 days, but will continue on heart support and will add kidney support. I believe (not 100 % sure) that she is panting less now (she was really panting hard at night and early morning, but last few days she hardly panting at all- and it maybe because she feels comfortable now in our home (she has been with us just 32 days! )- or maybe he feels better because of VRM2.
I'll definitely will post result and rwrite more as tweatment progress
P.S. I did talk to a person- Bill -at Systemic formulas and he suggested that I do 3 10 day rounds and give my dog 2 capsules a day with meals - my dog is 41 lbs)
(Mpls., Mn) on 08/03/2016Theresa
The wonderful Theresa from Minneapolis, MN has been helping pet owners and their beloved pets around the world on Earth Clinic since 2013.
About Theresa
Theresa from Minneapolis was born and raised in the inner city, always wishing she had been raised on a farm.
Her love for creatures great and small began at an early age, starting with caterpillars - which continues to this day, along with an interest in all insects and 'creepy crawlies'.
Theresa's interest in pet health started with a bird keeping hobby at age 14, where she learned from another hobbyist that the simple addition of Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) in a bird's drinking water kept fungal infections away; she was able to share this with her avian vet who in turn prescribed it to her own clients; Theresa was surprised to learn that she could teach her vet a thing or two. This important lesson - that each of us can be a teacher - was a turning point for Theresa, and fueled her quest for the knowledge held in lore, and remedies passed by word of mouth. That quest for knowledge continues to this day, as new and old remedies alike are explored. She may not have experience with a particular issue, but she will research it to the best of her ability and share what she finds freely, in the hopes that you can heal or improve your pet's health.
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I am continuing giving her garlic, once daily, plus HSSII (heart support) and also I give her Chinese formula Kidney support (will post the name later- It is recommended by Cheryl Schwartz in the book Four Paws, Five Directions: A Guide to chines Medicine for Cats and Dogs. And this week I also started to add some turmeric once a day (just a dash) plus (after reading on earthclinic page) serrapeptase.
As it is now, I am not sure whether she got more energy or she started to feel at home (we got her less than 3 months ago, someone dumped her in our village): she is running around now, even jumping and try to play with other dogs. At first (till recently) she was mainly lying down.
I'll do test beginning of December and will report. I also appreciate if anyone sees the report re. results of other protocols and draw my attention.
I really hope that treatment works!
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Replied By Texas Animal Guardians (Wimberley, Texas) on 07/14/2017
Let me state that this is a foster I have grown to love. I talked my husband into adopting him and we did, despite the fact that he's ill. We are willing to have the heart surgery done at Texas A & M, where they go in and remove each worm individually, BUT the vet says it's not going to do any good because the worms are in his liver too. I've been desperate! I searched the internet and came upon this forum. I just ordered the VRM2 from Northstar Chiropractic Natural Wellness Center in Illinois. (The product is no longer available on Amazon.)
What Brenda says is true, VRM2 is manufactured for humans, not animals. So it makes perfect sense that the course of treatment for dogs wouldn't be what's prescribed on the bottle. The bottle instructions are for humans, not dogs. In fact, VRM2 isn't intended to be used as a heartworm treatment.
Instead it's intended to treat internal parasites found in the human body. So, I appreciate you clarifying this Brenda for everyone that lands on this discussion thread. Frankie is now home. He's not eating yet but hopefully his appetite will increase now that he's back home. He's on Lasix, Doxycycline and on Metronidazole for the diarrhea he's experiencing (hopefully it's stress only related and not due to Giardia). I wish to goodness it were still available on Amazon since I have the Prime membership. I am anxious to get this started for Frankie's sake. I also ordered the kidney and heart support from the same company that you suggested.
Thank you for posting this remedy Brenda and sharing it with the rest of us. I will remain hopeful and I will certainly update the results as soon as I have something to report.
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