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Pinch (London, England) on 03/04/2015
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Hi everyone,

I have to say this site is very enlightening! I have been using Borax 20 team Mule for about 8 weeks now. Dosage 1/4 tsp in a pint of distilled water with 7 drops of Lugol's iodine and a splash of apple cider vinegar. Consumed each day.

Right now I am in a lot of pain, actually I am finding it hard to write, otherwise I would be far more polite.

I am 52 going on 53, male. 6'2", weigh about 90kg, I don't carry a lot of fat. Around 3 years ago I started to experience a lot of pain around my joints, shoulders and back.

I am a landscape gardener and sometimes the work is extremely physically labour intensive as I do a lot of garden construction. I live in London and a lot of the gardens are inaccessable to machines, diggers and the like, so it's all by hand.

I have noticed that after a hard day at the office that the morning after my body feels like its on fire and the pain is everywhere. My body is also very stiff all over and takes about 2 hours to limber up. I am inclined to believe that I have fibromyalgia like symptoms.

Since taking Borax I have noticed improvements in finger joints, knees and elbows. They feel stronger and less sensitive.

Right now though I have developed extreme pain in my right hip and I think it is the joint itself, also my right leg is numb along its length. I am not able to walk more than a few steps as the pain is unbearable. I have also developed a chest infection which seems to be clearing somewhat but this morning I was coughing up a disgusting green sputum.

Over the last 2 months or so I have been working hard on my house in preparation to sell it and move lock stock and barrel's to South West France where we own a very old farm which needs restoring from top to bottom. Part of my prep has been to try and rid myself of these physical ailments so that I will be fit and healthy for the work ahead which is considerable.

I have never had problems in my hips and if this problem persists then I will be fit for nothing. I have 2 sons aged 15 and 7 and we had daughter last September so you see I need all my strength most importantly for them and the wife. I think I might have overdosed on the Borax.

Any advice would be much appreciated. Kind regards, Julian

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Replied By Nanowriter (Hotspot, Texas) on 03/04/2015

Julian, I suspect that when we are generally low in vitamins and minerals, it is possible that supplementation can exacerbate other deficiencies.

Going on this premise, you might want to look into the vitamins that tend to be depleted by boron--possibly vit d, calcium and especially magnesium. High vitamin A may help with the lung infection issue.

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Replied By Iowama (Usa) on 03/04/2015

Dear Pinch, I am sorry you are in such pain and I have not used Borax. We share a background in hard horticultural work, however, and I am going to throw out a few things that have stopped the pain that used to wake me up in the night. My pain was in my hands, neck, and ankles and, after doing a lot of reading, I found help through simple changes. I did drink a tea made from vinegar for a while, but later amended my diet to keep my body alkalized. I started drinking a lot more unflouridated water and stopped most alcohol, all flour, sweets, and dairy. These last 4 are common sources of inflamation. I don't know about you, but some of the joints that were painful actually looked reddish each morning. Now my joints are the same color as the skin around them and I rarely feel morning stiffness. In fact, your letter reminded me that I hadn't given stiffness a thought in many months. The thing about this site is that one never knows what things have already been tried, but perhaps you may find something useful here. Good luck to you.

Pinch, If I may add another comment, I just remembered another change I made that helped joint pain and stiffness. It was just the simple taking of a couple of calcium capsules per day. Now I have switched to drinking homemade bone broth instead. My feeling is that you had damaged joints and now have fibromyalgia as well.

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Replied By Pinch (London, England) on 03/08/2015

Many thanks for taking the time to reply to my post Nanowriter and Iowama. I have also written a couple of emails to Ted but so far no reply, which is not suprising considering his difficulties.

I have done a lot of reading on Borax and in 1 article found on the internet somewhere it stated that Borax can bring on a Herxheimer reaction resulting in stiffness and pain in the shoulders in hips accompanied by numbness in hands and feet.

This indeed happened to me in a big way, first in the shoulders which subsided after a few days. Sometime later I noticed similar side effects in my right leg and then my hip which became excruciatingly painful and the pain extended down to my right knee. These areas are still very painful but it is beginning to lessen. I think I am having a Herxheimer reaction. I have always been an avid brusher of teeth using fluoridated toothpaste and I am convinced that this is part of the reason for my plight. I also discovered that it is possible that I am being decalcified. Apparently the sciatic nerve can be severely calcified from fluoride and the decalcification process is not on the list of great ways to have a good time. These articles go on to say that the Herxheimer reaction is a sign of healing and not to give up, so I have kept going. 10 weeks into it now.

I know that throughout my life I have subjected my body to gruelling feats of endurance as this my OTTP nature. You always pay the price somewhere down the line but hopefully it is not to late to put things right and also learn a bit of moderation.

I am now alkalising with Bicarb and also taking high doses of ascorbate acid, epsom salts in baths and internally. The baths are wonderful!

I have a big "L" plate on my back in regards to alternative remedies but I am a firm believer that God has provided everthing we need in nature for healing. The problem it seems is that we systematically consume food that is not beneficial to health and that medical science loves a sick population to maximise their profits. "For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil." History provides all the evidence we need of this sad fact.

Many thanks again and good health to you always! Julian

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Replied By Gordon (Uk) on 10/08/2016

From my experience, everything helps but pain comes from inflammation/damage to tissue. This doesn't repair unless you alkaline the system constantly (half a teaspoon of bicarbonate) twice a day on an empty stomach. Anti-inflammatories such as 1/2 teaspoon cumin with 1/4 teaspoon of black pepper mixed with coconut oil to make a paste, mix with warm milk and honey to taste.
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Replied By Anne R. (Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia.) on 02/02/2017

Julian dear, I am an old lady of 70 and I think you ought to have a spinal XRay. It seems as though you might have Spinal Stenosis.That is a narrowing of the spinal canal and the nerves get pinched. A person can be born with it or get it in their 50s. I am no expert, but I was born with it and your symptoms are just like mine.The thigh and hip pain is crippling and extremely painful.

I feel for you and hope that you do not have Lumbar Stenosis.There are minor surgical opps for it but in Australia one would have to to Sydney and pay. In case you do have this problem I can give you a marvelous E address to help.spinehealth.com. There is a small opp that is done posterior and is something I would like but, the docs here reckon they cannot help me.The Coflex Interlamminer Stabilisation Device is amazing and well worth checking out, if you may need it.You can even see an opp on your PC if you like. I'm sure someone in your country does this.

All the best, Anne.

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Replied By Gulshen (Harare) on 02/06/2017

Hellos. Please check your calcium and phosphorous levels. My mother had parathyroid which caused calcium to be leeched from bones causing pain. Read up on this. Perhaps this is your problem
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