Silversurfer (Washington, DC) on 10/21/2014
Again, this is a question directed to Bill. I was wondering what your experience has been with turpentine, iodine, and other special types of enemas. Have these therapies been effective in your experience? I think the iodine enema is a definite yes for me. I'm wondering more about the turpentine. Since turpentine is such a heavy surfactant and antipathogenic substance, would it not also have the ability to wipe out the rest of your gut flora, including the beneficial microbiota? If so, would it also be wise to enema with probiotics following a course of turpentine enema?
Do you have recommendations as far as enema usage in general? Would combinations of lugols, turpentine, and castor oil aid in these functions? What would the ideal methodology be with this type of usage?
Thanks so much for your work and knowledge!
Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 10/21/2014
Also, from my own experience with the autistic group that I am helping at the moment, who take lots of supplements (MMS, Hulda Clark PP, MMS enemas), many of them suddenly hit a brick wall and make no further progress using these protocols. The explanation for this problem is a fairly long one, so bear with me.
In order to understand the above problems, first it should be realized that the adult human intestines is about 30 ft long with an absorption area the size of a tennis court.
This means that the intestines is quite long with a huge and efficient absorbition surface area that is mainly due to the internal convolutions or folds, villi and microvilli of the inner intestinal surface. This ability to efficiently absorb nutrients and particularly the length and area of the intestines can also work against the candida sufferer whenever they have a serious and extensive candida issues with added bacteria and parasite problems in the gut.
So here is my explanation.
Whenever you take any nutrient orally, for instance, borax water ? then how much of it is absorbed directly into the blood and how much acts in the intestines to kill pathogens? It is well known that borax is absorbed quickly and used up in the body. This applies to all other nutrients as well.
Given the above, then it is probably correct to assume that Borax will only ever act and have benefit on the first third of the upper intestines to kill pathogens but will not act throughout the whole of the intestines to kill candida, parasites and other pathogens. This will also apply to all other candida kill or parasite kill nutrients that are also supplemented. My belief is that these nutrients will either be absorbed into the blood, exhausted or neutralized after travelling only the first upper third of the upper intestines(the first 10 feet of the intestines).
But what about enemas? Unfortunately, exactly the same argument applies here as above. These enemas will only ever successfully act and be effective at killing pathogens and parasites in the lower third of the intestines(the last 10 feet of the intestines).
So what?s left? It becomes glaringly apparent to me that the middle portion of the intestines(the middle 10 feet) from a person with candida is the area that is both untouched and unreachable by both oral nutrients and by enemas. So this middle region of the intestines appears to be the hidden powerhouse for pathogens, candida and parasites, allowing these pathogens to freely breed and continue to pump their waste toxin poisons unabated into the body.
In other words -- the middle region of the intestines acts as an untouched and unreachable safe-haven for all parasites, fungus and pathogens.
The above description seems to also adequately explain why a person with serious candida issues hits a brick wall and can make no further progress no matter what they try because that middle region of the intestines is left untreated and untouched by any protocol.
A possible solution to the above problems is to use a nutrient protocol that:
* Only acts throughout the whole intestines against candida, parasites and pathogens
* Is not absorbed so quickly into the blood.
There are only a few nutrient protocols that manage to fulfill the above criteria and these are:
* Laxatives
* Bentonite
* Chlorella
This is why I also strongly favour the use of laxatives against candida. Both turpentine and castor oil also have laxative action. Simultaneously, turpentine and CO also kill candida and other pathogens and remove biofilms as well while, at the same time, castor oil will help to slow absorption and also help to spread the turpentine throughout the intestines quickly and evenly because of its laxative effects. This protocol therefore successfully acts to get rid of pathogens throughout the WHOLE length of the intestines -- including the middle region of the gut. If you don't treat and eliminate the pathogens from the middle portion of the intestines then this can be a major reason why candida never goes away or just keeps coming back.
Here's a doc that I wrote recently that, for clarity, describes in detail just the candida-kill and pathogen-kill protocols that I advise. This doesn't show the full candida protocol but just shows and explains in detail how to take Lugol's Iodine, Borax, Alkalizing and the Turpentine/CO protocols. You should take all these protocols if you have serious candida problems.
Hopefully this will help people to more understand these protocols a little better. See doc below:
Recommended Candida/Pathogen Kill Protocols.
These protocols will kill candida and other involved pathogens both in the intestines and in the blood, tissues and organs. It will also remove biofilms in the intestines. Also kills parasites, detoxes heavy metals and helps to boost the immune system.
Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 10/22/2014
Replied By Silversurfer (Washington, DC) on 10/22/2014
Thanks for a thorough response. I will definitely be instituting the turpentine/co into my protocols. I start slow with some of the other remedies, building up over time, and eventually add some of the harder hitters in. This is of course after all dietary considerations have been made.
So am I hearing from your response that you do not recommend enemas? Or that using them can be helpful albeit incomplete?
From my standpoint, if I can definitively ensure that I am keeping candida and other pathogens to a bare minimum in 2/3rds of the intestines, that is a big step. It may also alleviate other die off symptomology if done in stages to address parts of the intestines at a time while slowly increasing the mechanisms of action in intensity by adding new strategies to the protocol over time. My time frame would be probably be in ~3 week intervals to add something like turpentine to the mix.
For myself, I started with the protocol from your book, minus the turpentine, which I have lying in wait for the right time. I plan to begin using the turpentine this week. I already feel a lot better but I acknowledge that you are probably right in that the mid intestines is still probably housing pathogens. I have made great gains in the recent 4 weeks and I have no doubt that my progress will continue with the turpentine usage and enemas.
A little background about me. I told you before I am a nutritionist. I utilize detoxification tools a lot and I guinea pig myself for all of the protocols that I put together for my clients as well. That being said, I masked the root cause (chronic candidiasis) by clearing heavy metals and other toxins on a regular basis without digging at that nagging issue. All the while, I had less effects with some of my protocols which puzzled me up until now. This was over a period of years. Looking back, I ignored many symptoms that were glaringly obvious candidiasis. Maybe I was in denial.
Anyways, almost all of my symptoms have disappeared on your protocol (CHRONIC jock itch, anxiety, brain fog) even without the turpentine. Now, I plan to add the turpentine and castor oil to the protocol. I have been using undecenoic acid on and off during the protocol, which is an extract from castor oil. As a side note, I wonder what you think of undecenoic acid vs straight castor oil. I am planning on keeping this program going for another 2-3 months. I have been at it for about 4 weeks now. I have really been at it for longer since I did my old candida clearance protocol before hand which really only focuses on intestinal candidiasis. I realize now that that protocol was inadequate for complete clearance.
Anyways, thanks again for your valuable responses.
Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 10/23/2014
The yeast or saprophytic form inhabits locally -- skin, intestines, vagina etc. The fungal form inhabits the blood, tissues and organs because it is a true parasite -- so nutrients like LI, borax and alkalizing will also be necessarily absorbed into the blood to actively kill candida everywhere else in the body as well. This is all part of the protocol. These two different forms of candida are also described at length in my book.
The big mistake most people make with their own candida treatments is to wrongly assume that candida just locally infects their intestines or uterus or skin. The truth is that if these people have had their 'local' problems for years or even decades then these local infections must be seen as direct routes into the body(infecting the blood) where their candida problem may have further developed into the fungal form -- the systemic or disseminated form -- which more or less infects everywhere in the blood, tissues and organs as well.
That's also why you have to use a multi-protocol -- to eradicate all forms of candida -- both the yeast form and the systemic fungal form -- from the whole body. And that's not so easy because if you don't kill or eradicate the fungal form in the blood -- then, even if you manage to get rid of all the yeast locally in your intestines or uterus or skin for a while, the fungal form still in the blood will come back in and just re-populate the intestines or skin or uterus -- and you have yet more reasons why your candida never goes away but just keeps coming back every time.
Therefore, one of the most vital questions to ask any candida sufferer is “How long have you had your candida problems?”. If the answer is years or decades then they will probably also have systemic or fungal candida in their blood as well and that's why topical approaches to their “local” yeast problems will never work.
Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 10/23/2014
A better way of using the undecanoic acid would perhaps be to just to open the capsule and add it to the turpentine/CO remedy when you take it. The castor oil will simply help to spread it around more effectively in the intestines (like the turpentine) and this might give a more widespread, beneficial effect.
I'm currently waiting on a delivery of Boswellia serrata -- Frankincense powder -- from a good Ayurvedic source (http://www.indiaabundance.com/) which also has strong action against candida. I'll be testing that remedy soon.
Replied By Silversurfer (Washington, DC) on 10/23/2014
Thanks for the added tips. I was not aware that boswelia had anti-fungal properties before this. I recommend boswelia on a fairly regular basis to my clients for pain and inflammation with good success. I look forward to hearing how effective it is as a tool for candidiasis per your observations.
So after reading through these responses, my question would then be what would the ideal enema program be to match the nutrients being taken orally in your book. If I was to use Borax, alkalizing formula, LI, CO, Turpentine, and most of the supporting nutrients orally, what would the best corresponding enema program look like? Options?
I am really wondering whether LI, turpentine, co, etc can be mixed into an enema and used safely and effectively for the lower intestines. And possibly followed up with probiotic infused enemas to replenish gut bacteria quickly.
Replied By Prioris (Florida, US) on 10/23/2014
Replied By Cindy (Usa) on 10/23/2014
Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 10/23/2014
I also see no reason why you cannot mix nutrients like iodine, coconut oil, undecanoic acid or just borax water etc directly into the psyllium before you add the water. These nutrients will be absorbed and stored in the psyllium to later be released more slowly and beneficially throughout the intestines.
Other different variations, such as making one liter of tea from Gymnema sylvestre and just adding the following nutrients:
Borax(1/8 for women or 1/4 tspn for men)
1 tablespoon ACV
One squeezed lemon or lime
Vitamin C powder (3, 000mgs),
MSM (1/2 tspn)
Glutamine (500 mgs)
Add Sodium Bicarbonate until the fizzing stops.
You can also add 1 to 3 tspns of psyllium husks to this drink on a per glass basis whenever you drink it for a more longer lasting beneficial effect throughout the intestines. This is a highly effective drink against candida.
This drink is strongly anti-fungal(Borax, GS), repairs the intestines(MSM, Vit C, Glutamine), alkalizes the body, immune booster, reduces blood sugar(GS).
Drink this throughout the day on a 5 days on 2 days off basis because of the borax. This is a very easy way of taking these important nutrients. You know about most of these ingredients already but the Gymnema sylvestre(GS) is important and useful and well known to revert the fungal form of candida back to the yeast form which is much easier to treat. This remedy effectively shuts down and removes the more virulent fungal candida form mainly because of the GS tea. GS also removes sugar from the blood -- that's why it's also particularly useful for diabetics.
If you prefer you can also just subtract the borax from the above remedy and just add in Lugols Iodine(8 drops) and drink this every day for good effect.
The iodine form of this drink acts as a strong, wide-acting anti-pathogen(LI), helps low or hypothyroid problems(LI), immune booster(LI), repairs intestines(MSM, LI, Vit C, glutamine), reduces blood sugar(GS) etc.
Or you could simply drink the borax form and the iodine form of this drink on alternate days without problems for a wider beneficial effect.
Also please be aware that you should never mix borax and Iodine together in the same drink or take them at the same time.
I would also recommend enemas as you suggest, but I still believe that the turps/CO protocol is probably the only protocol that is able to spread the turps(or any other nutrient that will dissolve in CO) evenly throughout the whole area of the intestines. The trick here is not to keep increasing the turps dosage -- but keep increasing the castor oil dosage until you have a full and strong laxative effect throughout the whole intestines to quickly clear out the candida, heavy metals, parasites, other poisons, biofilms etc from this region. You should only do this full strength laxative protocol once a week.
On other days take the same dose of turps (1 tspn) with only 1 tablespoon of castor oil. I use this latter dose as my "quieter" maintenance dose once a week only. It tends to just loosen the stool. But you can use this version one on a day on, day off basis. Then I will occasionally use the full and strong laxative protocol (1 tspn turps, 3 to 4 tablespoons CO) to clear up any build up or problems in my intestines. This stronger laxative version is very effective and works quite well but I really wouldn't stray too far from a toilet if you are using the full strength laxative version of the turps/CO laxative protocol...
To clear out the colon/lower intestines area, have you ever considered colonic irrigation?
Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 10/23/2014
Regarding enemas, I really wouldn't try anything fancy, I would use the standard enemas on there own like hydrogen peroxide, sodium bicarbonate, coffee enema etc. I must also confess that I haven't yet tried any enema yet, because I've never needed to use one. I would probably favour the coffee enema of Max Gerson which also helps to detox the liver so well. The sodium Bicarbonate enema is also a good one from the accounts I've read and there are even a few that use turpentine.
I would also never use or supplement LI together with turpentine in any instance as they react somewhat vigorously together which causes an exothermic (heat generating) reaction that might be explosive. Borax is also not chemically compatible when mixed with Iodine. please be careful what you mix together.
For a useful, full account of what you can use in remedy combos by Ted from Bangkok(who is a qualified biochemist) -- see this post stream on EC:
Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 10/24/2014
I always take the castor oil with turpentine now. Two ways to take it.
Take 1 tspn turps with 1 tablespoon castor oil. This will just loosen your stool(that's what it does for me anyway). This can be taken once a week or on a day on, day off basis. I call this the Gentle Turpentine Protocol.
Then there is the second method of taking this protocol which you can take for serious candida issues in your gut once a week. This is the full blown laxative version -- 1 tspn turpentine and 3 to 4 tablespoons(depending on your size/weight). If you decide to take this version then make sure you're on a free day and ensure that there is a toilet within easy reach. Take this version only once a week. Very effective at killing large amounts of candida, parasites, bacteria, removing biofilm etc and expelling them quickly -- all in one laxative protocol. Cleans and disinfects the whole intestines in one stroke.
Just to also emphasize that the above protocol is only useful for clearing the gut of candida and other pathogens. But you will still have to take other nutrients -- LI, Borax, Alkalizing -- to kill the fungal candida form in the blood, tissues and organs. If you don't do this, the fungal candida form will just come back and reinfect the intestines from the blood.
Just to also repeat, from the research, that turpentine does not kill the beneficial bacteria in the gut.
Replied By Rsw (Uniontown, Oh) on 10/23/2014
Iodine and borax should not be taken together? Does this apply to Iodoral and 3 mg. Boron? If so, could you tell us why. Is there anything else that should not be taken with iodine? Thank you.
Replied By Prioris (Fl, US) on 10/23/2014
Besides infection near sigmoid, I have also had tailbone inflammation for some years and I suspect that it is related to the rectum. I can experiment with different things also. That area of my body is one area I never dealt with.
Thanks for the confirmation about the psyllium husk stuff along with all the suggested recipes.
Replied By Meeya (Sunnyvale, Ca) on 10/24/2014
Do you think one needs to do a pre-cleanse of any sort prior to doing both the Castor Oil + Turp intestinal flush, and the LI, Borax, Alkalizing protocols (for cleaning out the entire body)?
I'm not suffering from any major symptoms, and I'm not constipated. My biggest complaints would be cravings for sweets, and not having enough energy throughout the day. However, I recently came to realize that a fungus or something was lurking in my system when I started taking several supplements as outlined by you and Ted for IGH (Idiopathic Guttate Hypomelanosis, aka white spots)... had an extreme reaction that seemed almost like an allergy. Terrible swollen itchy red rashes that weeped on my face... no previous history of eczema. It's been about 10 weeks now since the rash first appeared and since then it has followed a pattern of flaring up, clearing up, and then flaring and clearing up again... with each flare up being less in intensity. The last flair up was quite mild, and now only 1 of the 3 patches flairs up... the other 2 are gone (for now anyway). What seemed to clear it up best this last time was topically applying Olive Leaf Extract. However, it's now clear to me that my body needs a more complete cleansing, and I think the Castor Oil + Turp intestinal flush, along with LI, Borax, Alkalizing will go a long way in cleansing my entire body.
My long-term plan is to follow your complete protocol described in "Candida: Killing So Sweetly" next summer (when I will have more time to commit to the process). But for now it would be great to take a month and do intestinal flushes on the weekends, and the full body protocols daily.
Please let me know if you think this is not the way to go... Otherwise, I'm excited to start the cleansing... and hope the die off / Herx reactions aren't too extreme as I cannot take any sick days! Thanks, and keep up the great work :)