Om (Hope Bc Canada) on 08/05/2014
This is the first time I have the original Four Herb with all the roots in powder form. Prior to it I thought I was detoxing with other non original essiac products. Of course it did not do anything.
Guess what! After three days now I feel I have gone through the mill with nausea, griping, gagging etc. to such extent I became concerned. I had only used one ounce of the herb once at night. Well, it felt like an assault on the open front. I often have a message of an herb when I use it the first time. True enough, this message was lengthy:
The herb coursed through my entire torso, staying there a while, then moving to the next organ and so on. So it was the liver, the stomach, intestines, breasts, the skull, lungs, throat. And it worked there with powerful means I had never before experienced. Intuitively I knew this was way too powerful for my body to cope with and I did not take the herb the next night. But at five the next morning the works started so that I was trembling bending over and clutching my vitals. Instead the previous day where the effects ceased at about eleven in the morning, this day it lasted all day into the evening. At least it did not affect my sleep. Today, on the third day, I feel clear in the head and well but weak.
I phoned Essiac West and they said they had not heard this before and advised to take ginger tea for the nausea and to drink a lot of water. My plan is to wait a day as today is pretty normal, and to start drop wise till a tsp. and so on with a day's interruption till reaching half an ounce. I can well believe over detoxing can kill. It has nothing to do with Essiac herbs per se but with one's personal constitution. My body perspires well.
My one problem is with mercury amalgams. I think I have three. There is no way I can pay thousands for removal and implants with their attendant problems. Which is another unpleasant reality these days. I thought to use green algae for chelation and not to give up OP. I had a metallic taste in the mouth which made me alert.
Can I have your side of thought on this? I greatly believe in the beneficial effects of Essiac. The US gov't pulled on authentic business into court for having issued testimonies of Essiac users. They are impressive as I have seen them. They were told "you cannot do this" and closed their business. Where is the law prohibiting this? The times we live in and where I agree with Ol Henry.
Hope to hear from you. Namaste, Om
Replied By Mama To Many (Tennessee) on 08/05/2014
Wow! What a reaction! And some say that herbs couldn't possibly heal. I too have experienced some strong or dramatic results from herbs.
When you say that you took 1 Tablespoon of the herb, did you mean one Tablespoon of the dry herb or did you mean you took 1 Tablespoon of the actual tea?
Turkey Rhubarb is a purgative. Here is what Mountain Rose Herbs says about it:
"If you experience cramping, you've taken too much. On the other hand, if you take only a tiny amount of rhubarb, you will become constipated. In very small doses, the tannins in rhubarb are more effective than the purgative chemicals and the herb actually causes constipation."
Sheep Sorrel is also strong, as you know. Here is the caution from Mountain Rose:
"Because sheep sorrel contains oxalic acid, it is recommended that it not be used in large amounts for extended periods of time as it can cause mineral deficiencies and liver damage. People with rheumatism, arthritis, gout or kidney stones should avoid sorrel as it can worsen their conditions."
The Burdock Root and Slippery Elm (the other two ingredients in traditional Essiac, as you know, but just to clarify for others) are both generally more gentle. I have used Burdock and Slippery Elm for years. I have not yet used the other two herbs, though have them on my "list of herbs to buy at some point." I am fascinated by Essiac and the wonderful help it can be.
At the same time, I am reminded of this quote:
"All drugs are (meaning herbals, given the time written) are poisons the benefit depends on the dosage." Philippus Theophrastrus Bombast - That of Aureolus Paracelsus (1493-1541)
So, I think you are wise to cut way, way back, given your intense reaction. And maybe even evaluate if it is indeed the best solution for you. I believe you have used it successfully on pets?
I know there are a couple of herbs that were supposed to be so great that I tried and did not find to be good for me. Poke is very poisonous, but two herbalists I respect will use it very carefully and cautiously in certain circumstances.
I agree with you that the fillings you have are a concern, but also agree that the expense and risk do not necessarily warrant their removal.
I also agree that over detoxing could be fatal. Anything that causes great stress on the body would have that potential, especially on a compromised body.
Is there something specific you are working to heal in your body?
Well, keep in touch. I wish I had the perfect solution. We all keep studying and trying different things and learning along the way. I appreciate you sharing!
~Mama to Many~
Replied By Om (Hope, Bc Canada) on 08/05/2014
Previously I have used Essiac mix of herbs that did not have the sheep sorrel roots . My shepherd passed a large black, jelly like substance which has also happened to a person posting on EC. So it can work but just how far? Today I had just a strange feeling in the intestines and I hope to get over my weakness. The herb mix is very fresh and potent and it is just now to find out the right strength and pausing for two or even three days, making a longer break after say four weeks' usage. If there is constipation, I always take triphala which has been my chief rescue for many years, being very reliable. I would take it sometime later than the evening dosage.
It makes sense considering the chemical composition of each individual which is also the basis for Ayurvedic medicine. One shirt does not fit all.
My animals used to get the cheaper version of Essiac without trouble but with the real thing I will have to be careful and observe.
As for myself, I wish to overcome fatigue of many years which I feel may be toxins. Like a car has to be overhauled. Herbs meditate and pass on the energy of the sun, making it possible to heighten ones' awareness.
Thank you again for your thoughts.
Namaste, Om
Replied By Om (Hope, Bc Canada) on 08/06/2014
Replied By Mama To Many (Tennessee) on 08/07/2014
Was glad for the update yesterday and am wondering how you are doing today?
~Mama to Many~
Replied By Om (Hope, Bc Canada) on 08/07/2014
Next week I hope to take the much more diluted version, even fractions of it to make sure it is not too strong. But I had more clarity and energy for a while. Considering the thousands of very sick, even dying patients, that have had success, it must be that I need to cut down on it, being too sensitive.
I wish Ole Henry would take it, too. And loads of vit. C definitely.
Enjoy this marvellous summer. It's unusual here. Namaste, Om
Replied By Om (Hope, Bc, Canada) on 12/02/2014
This is a follow up on my Essiac herx reaction. I persevered with the dosage and came across a version much more diluted and authorized by Reene Caisse. I started with half tsp. and today I am using the regular decoction, using one ounce of the herb to two ounces of hot water without problems.
But before that while trying to find the right dosage for myself, I had twice such a reaction that I was horizontal for about ten days, doing only the most necessary chores. No desire for food and tremendous pain in my bones, especially the rib cage.
When I came out of it, I looked at my body, arms and legs like sticks and clothes hanging on that frame. But I am recovering. I have such faith in this herbal remedy. But my previous years' attempts to get somewhere with Essiac imitations did nothing for me. Hence the surprising Essiac reaction which was, however, unusual. I will use it over the year but with breaks. What a God given remedy. I remember the power of these herbs surging through my body.
I am supplementing with Milk Thistle for liver detox report. All is well now. It takes some persevering on the journey to good health.
Namaste, Om