Sigistardust (Vancouver, Canada ) on 03/30/2014
Thank you again, Sigistardust
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Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 04/01/2014
To help you with your BP problem:
* Take 500 mgs Niacin(Vitamin B3) twice a day at meals. To avoid the niacin flush effect, take an aspirin 20 mins before you take the niacin. Or you can take the slow release form of niacin -- inositol hexanicotinate, which will not give the flush. Do not use the niacinamide form of B3 as this has no beneficial effect on blood pressure. See this article by Abram Hoffer. See this article on how to take niacin.
* Also take a tablespoon of Brewer's Yeast once every day in a drink -- B Vitamins always work better when supplemented naturally as a group because all the B vits are dependent on each other and tend to work together in concert. Niacin particularly acts to change the blood. Blood which is too thick or which has too much clumping will be more viscous with increased BP and increased strain on the heart. Niacin safely thins the blood, lowering BP to normal levels thus removing the strain on the heart.
*Supplement a source of Iodine. I find Lugol's Iodine the best (I been taking 8 drops or 50 mgs 5% LI a day for the last 8 years). You can also use other iodine forms like Iodoral if you wish. Iodoral is simply Lugol's Iodine in a pill. I regard iodine as an essential mineral element that everyone lacks in their diets today and most people are low thyroid as a result. Iodine also helps to solublize fats and proteins(including cholesterol) in the blood for better utilization and removal by the liver. Coronary heart disease, high BP etc can be caused by blockages or build up of fat proteins (called lipoproteins) in the blood. So supplementing lugols iodine acts to normalize these lipoprotein to more healthier levels. See these guidelines on how to supplement lugol's iodine. Iodine also increases energy, kills a wide variety of pathogens, prevents menstrual problems by normalizing hormones, increases bone density, reduces cysts formation, removes mercury, lead, aluminium, cadmium, arsenic, fluorine and bromine from the body as well as being the main ammunition needed for the immune system to help fight pathogens in all the mucus sites of the body.
* Reduce all diary in the diet to reduce your calcium intake. Lipoproteins are normally bound to calcium which can cause constriction and blockages in the blood vessels. Take 250 mgs of Magnesium Citrate twice a day with meals to help regulate excess calcium in the blood which may be causing contributing to your problems.
* Take Vitamin C -- 1, 000 mgs three times a day.
* Nattokinase. This is a protease enzyme that digests fibrin or dead organic matter in the blood vessels that can cause blockages and high BP. I would first try all the nutrients shown above on their own for a while first. If that doesn't help then use the nattokinse (which is expensive).
And being a vegetarian I should also add Vitamin B12(not in Brewer's Yeast) and some form of extra sulfur to your diet -- -like MSM(Methyl-sulfonyl-methane), ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid) or N-Acetyl-Cysteine. See research on essential sulfur for the body for more ideas. Vegetarians generally always lack adequate sulfur nutrients in there diets. Sulfur can also be found in small amounts in foods like eggs, garlic and onions.
Replied By Eliz (Ohio) on 04/25/2021
Note: time release niacin can be hard on the liver (better to stick with non-time release) and too much iodine can inhibit thyroid hormones, so just a small amount is all that's needed to keep it in balance.
Replied By Sigistardust (Vancouver B.c. Canada) on 04/02/2014
Again many many thank you all of you with sound advise.!!! I will let you know my progress after 2 weeks it should show some.
Warm regards, Sigistardust
Replied By Rj (Ozark Country, US) on 08/22/2014
Question about Lugol's. I have been using 2 drops every day of the 2% solution. Have been researching for many days on low thyroid activity as I am overweight and have been dealing with an itching pimple like rash, along with water retention in the ankles. I too am trying to wean off the blood pressure medication. Right now I do feel that estrogen is causing a lot of problems for me as I am in that change of life. But I have read that supplementing with iodine causes suppressed thyroid hormones as does PUFA"s. What are your thoughts on those? I take flaxseed oil daily and now am finding that it should not be taken because it's high in PUFA's. Also, Bee, have you considered progesterone for the high blood pressure. I take approximately 200-400 mg a day of natural progesterone.
Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 08/22/2014
The best way to balance your hormones is to take the full Iodine Protocol together with niacin + B vitamins on a daily basis. Take at least 500 mgs niacin twice a day at meals. You can also take the no-flush niacin -- inositol hexanicotinate which might perhaps be easier for you. Other forms of niacin such as niacinamide do not have such beneficial effects on blood pressure. Take either B50 complex or brewers yeast once a day as well.
There is some research by Dr Flechas from the Iodine Project, who describes his treatment with LI for a 320 lb lady with both thyroid problems and diabetes. After only a short while on iodine, this lady was able to completely come off her diabetes meds. What's more, she lost 70 lbs after several months on the iodine protocol. Iodine makes all hormone gland activity more efficient and also tends to make digestion, transport, assimilation and the excretion of fats more efficient in the body. I lost a tremendous amount of weight after I started taking LI, and it has stayed off.
Other protocols, such as the alkalizing protocols and the borax water protocols shown here on EC and taken on a daily basis will also help you to further balance your hormones and lower your blood pressure.
You should also avoid the combination of fats(especially veg oils), unrefined salt(use sea salt instead) and sugar in your diet.
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Replied By Rj (Ozark Country, US) on 08/23/2014
It is so very frustrating. Right now as I sit here and type this back to you my skin feels as though it's sunburned and if I scratch it welts...ugh! Hormones are completely out of whack....have been for two years now. Just one day woke up and my body didn't want to look back to being normal. But at 48 I do not expect that. I will read the iodine protocol as I only take 12.5mg a day. It is so confusing. Ray Peat is the person who does not recommend taking iodine as it creates low thyroid activity...in fact, the only vitamin he recommends is an "E" every now and then. If I followed that protocol I would be throwing away 99.9% of my supps. But at 280 pounds something isn't going right inside and this itching, inflamed skin is driving me batty LOL. I do take a lot of supplements a day and I mean a lot. I even suspected that I was having trouble with one of them and stopped all of them for a month and reintroduced...no luck...still itch and inflamed. The only thing I haven't stopped is my bp medicine which may be causing the trouble. I know I cannot go out in the sun for more than five minutes or I burn and welt terribly. I take all of what you have suggested except I take a B-100 complex and I do not take niacin. I did read your link to doctoryourself....very interesting. What is your take on flaxseed oil versus coconut oil. That is something else Ray Peat said, that PUFA"s are bad and sadly flaxseed oil falls into that category. Thank you for your suggestions, as with Ted's, yours are also very important to the person trying to change their "insides" without the doctor prescribed chemicals. Besides when we get down to it we are just a number in the thousands a doctor sees. Whereas, we are number one with ourselves....well sometimes...you know what I mean LOL. If I had been number one for all these years I wouldn't be so obese ;) Thank you again!
Replied By Rj (Ozark Country, US) on 08/23/2014
Go to progesteronetherapy.com. Wray has a wonderful site. I too am trying desperately to get off the bp medicine. Would like to lose 50 pounds before I do, but the weight won't budge as I am sure from hormonal imbalance. I have actually cut back from two pills a day to a half a pill a day. The only reason I continue to take that half now is the water retention....it's just awful in the ankles. That is why I am once again searching on EC's site...looking for a remedy. Natural is so much better for you. Read greenmedinfo.com. Sayer has a lot of good information on his site. His site along with Earthclinics, Wray's and Mike Adams aka Naturenews have been lifesavers for me. Earthclinic helped with a spider bite last month that we were desperate to find a solution as the doctors were not helping. I feel your pain, Bee. I really do. It will work out. Patience along with trial and error. God Bless! RJ
Replied By Infamoose (Swamp) on 09/30/2022
Old post but my ankles got swollen when I was living on aspirin, antacids, and coffee. Quit that and they are no longe swollen. But a bit stiff and numb. Garlic and onion powder both do wonders for that. Peanuts and niacinamide (the flushing kind), too. Possibly too much aluminum or kidney damage from the aspirin? Dunno.
Replied By Art (California, US) on 08/23/2014
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/31/5/940.long
Art
Replied By Rj (Ozark Country) on 08/24/2014
I take approximately 1,500mg a day of NAC...have for about two years. It's wonderful for women who have breakthrough bleeding. I was afraid to take the arginine as I have read that folks who use blood pressure medicine should not take it. But I will read your link. Thank you so much! God Bless! RJ
Replied By Art (California ) on 08/24/2014
Yes, I definitely would not take arginine with nac without discussing it with your doctor first.
In that study, the NAC and Arginine were not used with other blood pressure lowering drugs, but rather as a stand alone treatment. What I liked about that study was the good results and especially the benefit of all of the potential "side effects". With regular blood pressure meds, the side effects are usually negative. You'd have to read the link to see what those side benefits are, but they are numerous and good in terms of long term overall health.
What is odd to me is that there were never any followup studies on that relatively small and obscure 2008 study considering how good the results were. I guess there is no money motivation in it. If a drug company came out tomorrow with a blood pressure med that could lower blood pressure and have all of those other positive health benefits, it would be a block buster for sure!
The combination of arginine/nac is what I use to control my pressure and I add in lysine every so often to keep my arginine/lysine ratio balanced.
Good luck!
Art
Replied By Rj (Ozark Country, US) on 08/25/2014
I would suppose no further studies because of what you have found out from your own experience....the combination of the two work and the drug companies do not want that as they cannot patent either of the supps. The other reason could be the study came out of Italy. You will not see the US following up on that...just like all the bad publicity of statins here of late. They cause our bodies far worse problems than taking them. In fact, I have recently read that a good cholesterol level in a woman entering menopause is 280.
Natural remedies are not what big pharma companies are seeking. And I do believe I will try the combination. I am trying to stop the bp medicine so I do not have to go back to the doctor. Finding a good doctor with an open mind to natural remedies is not available in the rural areas. Further my current doctor wanted me to have blood work done and told me he hoped all the results would come back bad so it would motivate me to lose weight. I was dumbfounded and hurt and prayed to the Lord as I was coming out of his office that I would find a cure to all my ailments. I didn't do the blood work lol. Why? I know what I am battling. I do not need blood work to tell me things are off kilter. I have begun the iodine protocol Bill recommended as I had that on hand and will order the niacin and arginine also...I already take lysine...and maybe along with the bp going down so will the weight. But again, thank you for your link. Hopefully, it will help someone else also. God Bless! RJ
Replied By Mr. Ree (USA) on 09/07/2014
There are many easy ways to lower your BP without drugs...Don't be a buyer for your supplier.
And by all means DON'T let them talk you into going on any kind diuretic what-so-ever!
Drink lots of water with sea salt...The water and salt will lower your BP naturally. Drink 6-8 glasses a day with a liberal amount of sea salt on your food. It works. And of course try to walk a bit every day.
Replied By Bee (New York, US) on 09/07/2014
If you are speaking to me then yes I am doing the weaning of medication very slowly.. Started last Feb. and decided to go at a very slow pace because I have read horror stories about beta blockers but not atenolol.. You scared me a bit too. Anyway; I at first started with advice from a doctor and had aweful side effects so I found other info. in other places and decided to do it another way and much much slower...and forget what the doctor said....When I felt level at a lower dose for a few months I extended the time I took it instead of cutting the pills.. I found that online. that seems to work the best.. and yes it comes to about a l/4 off each time.. So I hope this is slow enough because I am on 50mgs.now from 100 to 75 since last Feb. but I feel this is good and progress for me.. I felt like what was the rush but when a doctor wont help or tell you oh; you can get off this in two months I said no can do....I am doing it slow and at my own pace. they just don't listen or care..and look at me like I have three heads..so if I do need more medication for weaning I will just get more and do it more slowly if I have to....
Anyway; I feel yes at doing it at the l/4 seems right.. to get this stuff out of the system and feel balanced... last night I felt I might be ready for 37 miligrams as I have been on 50 for almost a month and half and just felt it was okay... but I will def. see how I feel the next few days..if I have to stay on 50 mgs. longer then I will... and then back down to 37 mgs.. for as long as I need and so on and so on.
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What you should do is NOT have BP taken as you enter only after you have seen the doc than let them take your BP, because they usually only put the first one on the chart. It usually takes 15 minutes for the BP to slow down after you enter the office and this is your resting BP.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_coat_hypertension
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It's called, "White Fright.".
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Ashwaganda is good for stress relief. Nutritional yeast for b vitamins coat nerve cells and aid digestion. Magnesium Is a heart mineral that is calming. Vitamin D with K for hormone balancing . Self Talk and media choices are very important in any crisis.
Stress appears to be an issue and I don't know your age, but I would use apple cider vinegar 1 tsp in cup of water to improve digestion and immune health. Leave the water out, no lid, for one hour and chlorine will exit before you drink it. Chlorine interferes with iodine ports in body ( like thyroid gland has one) because they are both halides .
I have said too much …..maybe. Blessing, charity