Taram7 (Cincinnati, Oh) on 01/01/2014
This website was one of the first websites I turned to when I first found out I had Candida... for over 5 years I have failed in all attempts to heal from years of antibiotic use and lies and the information contained on the three candida pages on this page, were dead ends. I found only partial truths seemed to make my situation worse later. Please let me explain what I have discovered, the pieces I have put together, my successes and why the information is in many ways incorrect.
Candida is existent in everyone and its job is to decompose our bodies after we die. For this reason, it is a very hearty, hard to kill parasite. The Candida diets I found never made sense to me as they contradicted many rules of good health and honestly, never worked... in the long run. Then I found that Candida has a survival mechanism called 'dormancy'. When we go on low sugar diets (cutting out all fruit) it send the Candida into survival mode and makes it even tougher to kill... it will lay 'dormant' for a time until it feels safe to spring back to life where it can rebirth in a new area of the body and cause more trouble. But many times we do not recognize it as Candida as the symptoms are very different.
The good news is- Candida is MUCH easier to control than I first thought... for 5 years. And the truth is, you can never get rid of Candida... as it exists to help decompose our body after we die, but we have to put it back into its proper ratio.
I found a 2 part problem that the typical Candida Diet never addresses and it can actually cause more harm that help.
1- is the overgrowth of Candida and the environment that has been created for it to grow.
2- is the leaky gut that Candida creates and that causes the majority of the symptoms even if we force Candida into dormancy.
Candida itself is actually EASIER to correct (rations) than it is to heal the leaky gut. BUT they MUST be done together.
In my research, I discovered a hard to find bit of information about the Candida cell itself... and the one thing that makes it so difficult to kill- its cell wall. This is a tough armor like wall that prohibits the cell from being killed easily. Its called a Chitin layer and then I discovered all natural enzymes that actually dissolve the cell wall and once I began taking this, my Candida (in my gut) was actually dead within 10 days. After about 2 months I am still trying to heal the leaky gut.
There is a fair amount of information on the net about how these two go together and have to be healed together, but this is where the 'Candida Diet' fails. It is insufficient to strengthen our GOOD fighter cells and to heal leaky gut.
OUR BODY HAS TO HAVE FRUIT! Fruit cannot be eliminated from our diets and makes no sense to try. Once you destroy the chitin layer of the Candida cells, you NEED FRUIT to heal. Leaky Gut NEEDS fruit to heal. We NEED VEGGIES... BUT the detox and healing that is most effective for leaky gut is a juice fast for 30-90 days. This LEAVES OUT all processed foods, all wheats and grains, all synthetic sugars BUT NOT RAW HONEY... organic raw honey is VERY HEALING AND ALSO A NATURAL antibiotic, caffeine, alcohol, meats... For this short time to heal and detox, the only think you drink are RAW juices and herbal teas and filtered water- in order to heal the leaky gut.
YOU can kill the Candida all day long, but if the leaky gut is not healed which the Candida causes- your body will still be backing up toxins and still causing much damage to the other organs. The leaky gut will also continue to let Candida through to the rest of your body and your blood system where it can cross the blood-brain barrier and cause more havok. The leaky gut MUST be healed along with the Candida.
I am not a doctor. I am simply a Candida survivor that is still healing and once I was able to piece it all together and finally realize that I was in fact healing, and not just sending Candida into dormancy for it to return with a vengeance some where else, I wanted to share with all of you my research and how its helped me. There was so much research that went into this... 5 years of beating my head against a wall and these insufficient diets that frustrated me and kept coming back despite all the money I spent on supplements and teas and blah blah...
So here is what I did and am doing. I would like to note that MAINTENANCE must be maintained daily AFTER the initial healing process is finished, in order to keep this nasty bug in check.
1- Enzyme supplements that dissolve the Candida Chitin layer/Cell wall in order to enable our immune system to take care of the Candida cells on their own.
2- Raw veggie AND FRUIT fast for 30-90 days depending on severity... may need to be repeated for severe symptoms such as cancers and other issues. (to heal the leaky gut)
3- GOOD QUALITY PROBIOTICS. Let me please emphasize that there are natural food probiotics and supplements and there are two types of probiotics as I have found... one is a bacterial and one is a fungal... YOU NEED BOTH.
4- Other supplements that you may be low in... D3, C, Iodine, Magnesium, Selenium, Zinc, H2O2, ACV, Baking Soda, Lemons, etc...
5- PLENTY of water and HERBAL teas...
6- organic everything as much as possible and and remove all chemicals and toxins from your life as much as you can... flourides, bad air, etc.
7 - GARLIC, GINGER, TURMERIC, MASTER TONIC... huge immune boosters and healers... raw, or raw encapsulated. Make your own, its easy :) Cilantro and Parsley- I have a GREAT all natural pesto recipe for right after your juice fast if anyone wants it also ;) Organic Extra Virgin COCONUT OIL
8- Get rid of your Commercial body products - soaps, shampoos, DEODERANTS, lotions, etc. (I can tell everyone how you can get all these products made in your kitchen naturally and totally safe for under 50 bucks at your grocery store! - it was part of all my research) Please stop poisoning yourself and your family with these chemicals.
(Please feel free to message me if you are interested or have any questions, I am NOT selling anything... I only want to share my info and my frustrating journey and don't want to make this post too much longer.)
Food Like products are the problem and the killer and Whole REAL food is the Healer.
The reason that the juice fast is needed to heal the leaky gut is the liquid form of the juice eases the work the digestive system has to do in order to heal and has all the minerals and vitamins that your body needs to heal it. If you try the typical Candida diet of HARD TO DIGEST foods like meats and eggs and nuts and beans, your body will have a very difficult time of healing the leaky gut, if it can at all. The juices also help the body to detox and readjust the organs such as the liver, kidneys and pancreas as well as help to purify the blood and clean out the intestines, resetting your entire body.
After the initial regimen, which is recommended to do all very hard for at LEAST a full 30 days, depending on how long you have suffered and the extent of your symptoms (this is not a science, its going to be different for everyone).
MAINTENANCE ------ After your main healing, you will need to continue to take one of the enzyme pills DAILY and STAY ON probiotics for the rest of your life. You should also always STAY AWAY FROM ALL wheats and grains except organic ancient/homegrown heirloom varieties... like quinoa and amaranth (UNLESS you were diagnosed with Celiac Disease- then stay away from them all) and stay away from ALL processed foods and drinks and ALL sweeteners and sugars, except RAW organic Honey and Stevia. Dairy, unless its raw organic, is just bad, but I have not found anything to say that this is potentially harmful to reintroduce in moderation at this point. ONLY COOK IN COCONUT OIL EVER and continue WITH ph balancing foods (lemons, and baking sodas) tons of fruits and veggies... only organic meats and eggs. Never veggie oils and ONLY 'California' EV Olive Oil as the rest of them are cut with cheap and dangerous veggie oils :/
So that is it what I have found in piecing the Candida puzzle together.
I want to add that as most of you here know, Candida is responsible for MOST ailments and allergies that we have as it is tied to our digestion and that is where our immune system begins.
Blessings Everyone~ Tara
Replied By Cateh (Maryland, US) on 06/12/2014
Thank you so much for your post. I have a few questions... (I don't see anywhere to PM or message, so thought I'd post a reply)
1. What enzyme supplements worked for you?
2. What probiotics worked for you? Do you also include probiotic foods (Kefir, Sauerkraut w/ live cultures, Kombucha, etc.)?
3. For the "other supplements" that you may be lacking, are you taking a multi-vitamin?
4. Any particular herbal teas that helped you?
5. I'd love to know you're pesto recipe and also your natural product "recipes".
Thank you so much for all of your research, time and effort. I have been doing a lot of research and banging my head against the wall too and coming to very frustrating dead ends. Your post makes a lot of sense and I'm hoping it will help me as well.
Replied By Leone (Regina, Sk Canada) on 02/16/2015
Replied By Bill (San Fernando) on 02/17/2015
When I call it systemic candida this refers to both the yeast and fungal forms of this candida disease -- these two forms are very different to one another in their dimorphic behaviours. The yeast form is a saprophyte -- infects locally(eg skin, uterus, intestines) and feeds off dead organic matter and reproduces by hyphal budding whereas the fungal form of candida is a true parasite which inhabits and infects the body's blood, tissues and organs(everywhere in other words) -- it feeds off the host cells and reproduces with spores. So if you do have systemic candida then it's like being infected by two completely different organisms at the same time -- a yeast and a fungus.
So back to the probiotics cure. Probiotics only ever has action in the intestines.
So can somebody please explain to me how probiotics or prebiotics will kill off the systemic fungal form that inhabits the blood, tissues and organs? Sure, the probiotic might get rid of the intestinal candida only. But what about the systemic fungal candida that is still alive, well and breeding in the blood organs and tissues -- outside the intestines ? Not a chance.
These are some of the major reasons why you will never cure serious systemic candida issues if you only use pro- or prebiotics in your own approach and that's yet another reason why the systemic candida either never goes away completely or just keeps coming back.
I'm also a little amazed at so many people also saying that candida is in all of us. From my readings, candida is in 80% of the world's population. Furthermore, in healthy individuals, this candida is completely contained and restricted to the lower intestines by the action of a healthy and functional immune system -- candida should never inhabit the upper intestines or inhabit the blood, organs and tissues in any healthy individual with a strong immune system.
I also often get asked "How will I know when I'm cured of systemic candida?" My stock answer to this question is twofold.
First, you'll know when all your symptoms go away. Secondly and more to the point, you will definitely know when you can eat food with wheat, milk and sugar in normal, sensible amounts with no more spurious problems arising or allergy reactions. Then you are definitely cured or back in healthy balance again.
Replied By Lu Blu (Phoenix ) on 06/03/2024
I bought a book by Bill Thompson.I don't know if I have a candida problem but it seems like a good idea to keep my body in control of its growth. It is a normal flora so good to keep it in check with good immunity!
Start the morning with BS+lime or sea salt, wait an hour to eat a healthy breakfast. Sip ACV drink at dinner. I eat fresh produce & seafood/meat, correct deficiency in nutrients, exercise, early bedtime w/melatonin, avoid corn syrup, avoid GMOs, avoid seed oils!
I drink ginger in my water and beet juice daily! My BP is great 109/64!
I got most of this from Bill's book.Thanks!
Replied By Laura (Benson, Ut) on 06/30/2015
Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 06/30/2015
So it would perhaps be better for you to use a product like Candidase which will digest and dissolve both candida chitin and fibrin from biofilms. This is a much better approach.
Additionally, I would also at least advise reducing the virulence of the candida. By this I mean inhibit the yeast candida form morphing into its more virulent fungal form which infects the whole body. So taking a nutrient that contains 10-Undecanoic acid would be extremely useful here because this nutrient completely inhibits the propagation of the fungal form of candida. Then you will only have to get rid of the yeast candida form -- which is much easier to treat. I would therefore recommend a good product like Formula SF-722 from Thorne research for this.
Another option for you that also inhibits candida virulence is to drink Gymnema sylvestre tea three times a day. This will also help to eliminate the fungal form in your body.
Even though you take all the above nutrients this might not fully cure your candida problem. This really depends on how many years you've had this candida problem and also depends on the extent of your candida infection. To achieve a proper cure and not just symptom improvement, you might have to take a larger more extensive protocol such as the one shown here.
Replied By Robert Henry (Ten Mile , Tn. ) on 07/01/2015
Just glad I busted my ass to get through Ga Tech as a Ch. E. and saved my money soes I could buy these health toys in my old age.
It's like the time I got skin mites and used my FIR sauna to kill the little bas--t----s. Now I got another big time problem as you know and I will buy whatever health toys needed to solve this problem.
I just hope that folks are thinking about what veggies they eat and get away from processed foods. For instance, research quick oats. That is the left over dregs from oats. They once threw it away. Now it's a premium because folks too sorry to cook breakfast. As Pogo said, "we have found the enemy and he is us".
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Replied By Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 07/06/2015
Oh, and one more thing. Since you have so successfully cured your own systemic candida problems -- then that makes you a candida expert with the Rife machine on EC. And never, for one minute, have I ever believed that you have no knowledge about healing. Your own successful candida results would seem to prove otherwise...
Replied By Neima (Fort Lauderdale, Fl) on 09/30/2015
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Replied By Green Augustine (Mold, Denbighshire) on 10/01/2015
Replied By Becky (Ca) on 11/17/2017
Can one use both Thorne SF722 and Gymnema Sylvestr?
Thank you
Replied By Lu Blu (Phoenix AZ) on 06/03/2024
Replied By Lu Blu (Phoenix ) on 06/04/2024
Hope this finds you well!
how is it going after 10years?
Kindly, Lu
Replied By Emma (Ohio) on 09/03/2024