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Nancin (Sheridan, United States) on 08/22/2007
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By chance, I did use Black Walnut extract and he appears to be much better; but not back in weight. I'm pretty sure he has heartworm; or had heartworm and is still recovering. Don't know. I was hoping someone would know the dosage and kind of arsenic that the vets give the heartworm affected dogs. As had a dog once that we did take to the vet for treatment of heartworm and he told us that they use arsenic. But don't know where to get it and what dosage. And where does it occur in nature? I can only assume that arsenic is found in nature. Does anyone know these answers? If so, please contact me through my email address. Thanks,

Replied By Missinformation (Bernie, Mo) on 05/29/2011

Two things I wish to say about the original inquiry and the following replies.

One, something that was never mentioned but should be, make sure that you are using purchased black walnut products NEVER use or feed an animal, especially dogs or horses, black walnuts. The walnut itself is fine but they tend to easily and quickly develop a mold that is toxic.

Second, as to the use of garlic, I feel the best way to provide this is actually in a product developed for pets called Brewer's yeast. You can even get this product at Walmart, although I find the ones sold by most pet stores tend to be a bit better quality. Brewer's yeast not only has the garlic to help with the fleas it has a lot of other products that help with worms, coats, digestion, teeth, etc. Pretty much the entire system. It can be used with both cats and dogs.

Replied By Charlena (Brent, Al) on 09/03/2012

I'm back on the forum, still trying to help my dog that has heartworms. After reading your post, something dawned on me. I've used garlic about 6 - 8 weeks now, and used black walnut/wormwood mixture a few days at a time too. My dog seemed better but started coughing again and it just won't stop. When you asked about arsenic, a light went on :) I remebered also giving my dog BITTER apricot kernels for a few days. She was much better, not coughing at all. In fact I slipped and didn't keep giving the garlic everyday. When she started coughing again I gave ger garlic twice daily plus the black walnut. Ten days later, she is still coughing. I couldn't figure out why it wasn't working. I've started her back on the apricot kernels because they contain arsenic and I believe that was what helped her so much last month. I bought Apricot Power kernels, they are very bitter and my dog loves them. She weighs 20lbs so I give her 3 kernels daily. I feel its a safe natural arsenic.

p.s. Swanson apricot kernels are sweet, not bitter. I used those for other purposes but you need BITTER kernels for heartworms, cancer etc. Hope this helps someone and thank you for reminding me about the arsenic.

Replied By Brenda (Adelanto, Ca) on 01/12/2013

There is one product out there that has all the ingredients in one that kills heartworm and it is called VRM2-sm. made by Systemic Formulas. They do not sell directly to the public so you have to go to your local health store and see if they have or will order for you. There is also a sites on the net that you can order from.

You only have to give for 14 DAYS ONLY. For a sm dog under 10lbs, a half cap.,

if over 10lb. to aprox 35 to 40, 1 to 2 caps, and larger dogs 2 to 3 caps a day.

Do not exceed 3 caps.

FOR ONLY 14 DAYS. Find a heart support that is safe to use on dogs to give along with the VRM2. Especially if in the later stages of heartworm.

Do Not feed red meat or pork while giving VRM2

Replied By Bemperre (Adelanto, Ca) on 02/19/2013

I need to add when using VRM2 that you don't feed red meat cooked or uncooked as it will absorb the product and it will be less effective. I fed only cooked chicken in a lamb and rice dog food moistened because of my dog not having any teeth. I did not feed any treats or people food. Hope this helps for those who may not have been able to cure in a 14 day run. Hope this helps.

Replied By Bempierre (Adelanto, California Usa) on 04/19/2013

Here is what I have made up since I followed enough people to see the different scenarios and what I have learned since I cured my rescue dog of 5 yrs ago.

What you should know about VRM2?.

1) do not feed any red meat (absorbs the product) while you are treating with VRM2 (chicken is ok)

2) If your dog is on any medications from the Vet..... VRM2 may not work as well (you may want to wait till the Vet meds are done or weaned off)

3) Do VRM2 for 14 days straight early eve or night

4) try to use a heart support along with the VRM2. (either one recommended for dogs from a HEALTH STORE or you can give Q10 (one gel or capsule daily)

5) Open up the VRM2 capsule and mix the contents in a small amount of food so you know they are getting it all. (discard the gel cap.) It will digest better if taken out of the capsule.

6) you do not have to restrict your dogs from normal behavior, but do not go out and over exercise.

Replied By Dl4504 (Ohio) on 08/04/2013

Hello, I have a 2 year old lab mix that was recently diagnosed with heartworms. I purchased VRM2 and would like some advise from those that have used the product on their dogs. I have read through most of the posts but have a few questions:

How many capsules should an 80lb dog have? Is it better to give it morning or night?

Do you give it with food?

My dog is on Sentinel for heartworms and been fine being on it, although I have heard that giving it could be bad for a dog that was heartworm positive. However, the vet said that would have occurred when he first got on it.

Should I stop giving him this and wait a month to start VRM2? He is outside 3/4 the time in his outdoor kennel while I am at work.

I'm worried about doing the vet's plan and it affects on my dog and also trying to contain him as he is very, very active and loves to play.

Replied By Flowers Mom (Pueblo Of Acoma, Nm) on 01/24/2014

I successfully treated my recent rescue, Buddy, using the VRM2 capsules to cure his severe heartworm. He was coughing and wheezing all the time. He's a Rottweiler/Chow mix, so he's a good size dog. I purchased 2 bottles of the capsules and broke open the capsules and put them in his food (chicken or fish, no red meat) for 5 days and then off for 2. That's not the recommended schedule, but that's what suited my schedule for consistency. Anyway, I kept this up until the 2 bottles were gone, and he is completely cured! No more wheezing or coughing, and he has so much more energy and spunk. I also continue to give him one CoQ10 and a garlic tablet everyday, wrapped in some cheese. I also give him an immune strengthener once a day. I hope this helps anyone who is looking for an alternative to the standard heartworm treatments.

Replied By Dbrent (Covington) on 08/18/2014

I am looking for information on how many who have used the VRM-2 treatment have had clear heartworm tests. How many cycles of VRM-2 were needed for your dogs?

Replied By Marlene (Jonesboro, Indiana ) on 07/25/2016

Please tell me where I can get VRM2? My health food store does not carry it..

Replied By Candy (Cottonwood Cali) on 10/23/2016

To the person who replied with Warnings.....what amount doy ou use of brewers yeast for heartworms in a dog? and if youre saying black walnut oil or tnxture is really bad, then why are people using this to kill the worms?

Replied By Tore (Huntsville, Tx) on 11/07/2016

Apricot kernels contain an organic cyanide, not arsenic. Arsenic was once used for worms, and it will kill them, but it kills the host as well.

Replied By Reba (California) on 03/01/2017

After several unsuccessful attempts to find a distributor for VRM2 locally on the internet I finally found one, Northstar Chiropractic Natural Wellness. http://www.northstarchiropractic.com/parasites/VRM2-small.html

Replied By Tara (Beaumont, Tx) on 09/19/2017

Thank you so much for posting this. Ordered and received.

Replied By Brenda (Ca) on 11/02/2017

Hi,

I was the original person that brought VRM-sm to this forum. I am not going to claim I am an expert on the dosage, but I have always said that doing the instructions on the bottle is not designed for dogs, but for humans. Things got so out of hand on here (exaggerated info.) that I pulled most all of my posts a year or so ago.

There are people that have called the manufacture and really-they have not done studies on animals and are not qualified to suggest dosage to a dog. I had a small dog of 7 lbs that was stage 4 with heart-worm and the vet (thank goodness) said they would kill her with their treatment of the (poison) arsenic shots because of how far gone she was and her age. They told me just to take her home and watch her suffer to death. (not in those words, but they implied that) I went home and gathered all the info I could, much like you and wrote down a list of things to get at the health food store like black walnut, woodworm etc. I just got lucky and went to the right place because the woman there recommended VRM2-sm. Her supplier (who has long passed) said to do a run for 14 days (no more) of a half capsule (for a 7lb dog) She also suggested a heart support at a half capsule. So, I mixed this into a very small bit of wet food and gave once a day (better in the eve) for the 14 days. She was cured. You know they are cured when they are that sick and I did not bother to get a blood test. The vet thought the dog was 16 years old when I found her, but she lived another 7 years and died of old age.

I am not telling you to give a half a capsule for every 7 lbs either. The max amount is 2 capsules for an adult human a day so if your dog is 75 plus lbs, I think 2 capsules will be ok. I am just worried about the people on here that are misinformed and would give a 10 lb dog 2 capsules a day in the 3 cycles like on the bottle.

The reason that humans do for 3 cycles is because of possible parasites in the colon and getting the upper and lower colon etc. from what I remember reading. Heart-worm adults live in the heart and in the later stages block the blood flow. The dog coughs frequently, sleeps a lot, and looses weight until the heart is completely blocked and the blood will actually be forced to flow backward destroying the kidneys and liver and killing the dog..

So, since the original dosage that worked for me was one run of 14 days for a 7 lb dog with a good heart support, maybe you should try the same. The dosage will be up to you on what you think for your size of dog, but I think up to 10 lbs (half a cap) 10-30 (one cap) 30-75 (1 and a half) 75-up ( 2 capsules) Give or take and do what you feel more comfortable with.

It is all natural and you will see your dog light up within 3 days and be more playful and alert, but more is not better. If you are determined to get a blood test, it is recommended to wait for 3 to 6 months for all the residue from the heart-worm to leave the system or you may get a false positive. Take care and this product really does work!

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