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Marra (olympia, wa) on 03/15/2007
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Two 1/2 years ago, i was diagnosed with two forms of arthritis, osteo-which is throughout my entire spinal column and every joint throughout my body--I also have RA. I am 43 years old. I've successfully held much of the pain at bay with diet & exercise. I am trying ACV for the first time--wish me the best! I will let you know how its going. Thank you for your feedback everyone!
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Replied By Marjorie (Morris, Il) on 03/27/2011

I agree the only medicine I have tried that even comes close is diet and exercise. I eat a large amount of vegetables, expecially broccoli and stay as active as possible. Activity is what keeps us going.
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Replied By Francisca (Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France) on 03/27/2011

Hi Marra, I also had ostheoartritis around your age, mine in the right knee. First I was ok with supplements like shark's fin or wild berry extract, back when I only had problems in Spring and Autumn, no idea why. Then the pain became permanent, especially going up and down stairs and the supplements didn't work anymore. A few doctors told me that I would have to be on strong medication which seems to be quite bad for the stomach for a few years till I was old enough to have a new knee.

Luckily someone advised me to go to a health shop and the doctor tried electrodes. I felt better right away, a week later he did the same again and after that he tried another type, a lot more painful, I must say. But that was almost 6 years ago and so far I have never had pain again! He didn't even charge me anything. Last year we went to Portugal and I went to the shop again to let him know that I am still ok. Will I ever have problems again? I don't know.... But so far so good! So don't lose hope, the answer can be just around the corner!

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Replied By Hari Prakash (New Delhi, India) on 09/20/2011

This is a question to the 03/27/2011 input by Francisca from Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France. Could she please eaborate on the use of "electrodes"??
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Replied By Francisca (Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France) on 09/21/2011

Hi Hari, what I mean by electrodes are the electric wires with a plastic thing at the end that glues to your skin. Sorry if I used the wrong name..... You know, there are a lot of deviced like that, for example for muscle pain. I can't tell you what kinds they were, I know he used two different kinds, first one, then another one. I could give you his phone number in Lisbon, Portugal but I have no idea whether he speaks English. He goes a lot to Cuba for medical courses. If he doesn't speak English his assistant, a young man, might!
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Replied By Sasha (Chicago, Il) on 09/21/2011

Hi Fran, if he doesn't speak English is it possible you can give him a quick call and ask what kind of electrodes they were? What exactly was he doing sending little jolts of electricity and at what frequency and can you aks him if the lay person can buy such a device and any books or website he recommends?
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Replied By Francisca (Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France) on 09/22/2011

Hi Sasha, I don't really remember whether he speaks English or not. I was there with my husband (who only speaks English) over a year ago to thank him for what he had done to me and to tell him how well it had turned out. I don't know whether he will tell you exactly what he did.... But please try to call, if you don't manage to get the information I can try but it would be better if you did because you know what questions to ask. He is called Dr. Orlando and the phone numbers are: landline - 214785342 / 214785350 and mobile: 934782606. Please take into account the differences in the hours but you can check that online. It is a shop so they will be open during normal shopping time I would say from 9am till 12 and 3pm till maybe 6pm. If you tell him that you heard from him from Francisca, who had the knee problem and later moved to France. I think that he will remember me.....

If this approach doesn't work I can try to phone him but again I can't promise he will answer my question. And if he doesn't speak English, which he might, his assistant will because he is quite young.

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Replied By Bess (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) on 09/22/2011

Hi Sasha - I'm not Francisca but you might want to look into a TENS machine.

From Wikipedia: Transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation (acronym TENS) is the use of electric current produced by a device to stimulate the nerves for therapeutic purposes.

Physical therapists use them on patients with sports injuries, etc. Try an Internet search for TENS machines in your city. Good luck! Bess

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Replied By Beladonna (ON) on 09/14/2021

I have a question about diet and osteoarthritis. The info on Internet regarding the issue is very confusing.

Some sources are suggesting no any kind of meat, no fats, no milk and etc. But others are suggesting healthy fats, proteins, fermented milk products. I understand the diet should be 100% healthy - no refined sugar, no fast foods, coke, but for the rest I really need the suggestions and personal experience.

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Replied By Michael (New Zealand) on 09/15/2021

Hi there Beladonna (ON)!

you have my sympathies regarding the perceived complexity of the advice regarding the implementation of an anti-arthritis treatment protocol!

However, we must think positively and note that there are so many foods one can turn to whilst moving ourselves towards a diet that causes us less pain and suffering.

The difficulty we have in the "West" is that we have gone down the wrong road in the past and now the chickens have come home to roost as it were and for a restoration of balance to take place, there is no quick fix-sorry, no magic bullet and your doctor / pharma giant will not "cure" you. Not fair I know but the answer is in our own hands if we remain focused and determined. Bodies can be re-built over time-good mantra to remember and treasure!

If you are young (lucky you! ) you will often times see results more quickly.

So, what to do? For sage guidance, switching gradually to the Mediterranean Diet would be a sensible starting point as an antidote to our present poor nutrition regime of too much meat, sugar (public enemy number one in my humble opinion), simple carbohydrates, fizzy drinks, alcohol etc etc - you get the picture?

The human body is a marvelous machine but eventually too much self- abuse will cause it to rebel by letting you know it through pain and suffering of the joints, bones, ligaments and muscles etc - the response will manifest itself in differing ways between individuals - some get IBS say but not others....

Having moved successfully to the MD (Mediterranean Diet) then one should seriously self-evaluate whether or not some components are "fit for purpose".

Should you cut out all that pasta for example? What about those nightshades - leave them alone maybe?

Beans can give you gas, so what is that doing to your intestines?

The above are all ingredients in the MD that we need not necessarily kick into touch but one needs to seriously listen to one's own body and be much more self-aware than we maybe have been in the past. This business requires a whole attitude shift on our part if we are to achieve a pain free future (any reduction would be a blessing though! ).

Lastly (I could rave on and you might fall asleep) a person could do worse than take a digestive enzyme pill or two to aid the metabolism of the evening meal. These little marvels should assist you with the assimilation of fats, carbohydrates, proteins and even raw foods! Well worth serious consideration!

Here we get help with bloating, intestinal gas, wind (lovely euphemism), discomfort and digestive issues after meals. They are also purported to replace the enzymes lost in cooking, which is a nice bonus - I am a big fan of enzymes - the forgotten nutrients. Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they are not there! Need to be kept in the fridge.

Lastly, you do not need to give up fats - they are no longer considered the main enemy. Also, consider all the info readily available on this wonderful Site regarding changing from an acidic body towards a more alkaline one.

Drink more H2O - become a wet person.

Cheers and good luck with your health restoration journey.

Michael from Down Under

Replied By Iowama (New York) on 09/16/2021

Dear Beladonna,

I'm catching up on reading Earth Clinic and your query from 2 days ago. From my experience, the biggest determiner of whether I'll wake up with joint pain is refined sugar. I don't usually eat it, but I happen to have been on a 2 day binge. This morning, I am hurting.

To calm things down, I've got a jar of bone broth thawing. It is homemade. I can't speak for the store shelf kind, but I have read the labels and don't see calcium in there (How is that possible?). A cup or 2 of bone broth over the next 3 to 4 days is what I will use to turn this around. That and no more sugar.

I make broth with roasted venison bones when I have them, but a good quality hen carcass adds a lot more collagen gel. I have never been bothered by nightshades and lately I take the easy route of using a cup of jarred pasta sauce to flavor a batch of broth. It seems to work as well as when I spend half an hour chopping vegetables. We eat from our garden and I take a walk or a paddle almost every day. I do appreciate the Mediterranean diet and always enjoy Michael's posts, but when cooking, I use the fats suggested by Dr. Terry Wahls instead.

Osteoarthritis pain is no fun. I hope you are successful in finding your answers.

Replied By Beladonna (ON) on 09/16/2021

Thank you!

Did you try DMSO? I read a lot of positive things about it!