Natural Remedies for Liver Disease and Liver Damage


Posted by Neili (USA) on 11/03/2008

Hi Ted,

I just came across this webpage, which discusses using coffee amongst other things to help promote bile flow.

I love the moderate use of coffee but abstain from it as most complementary health practitioners, including Traditional Chinese Medicine say to avoid it. I'd love to hear your feelings on drinking coffee when the liver / gallbladder are impaired and when there is also already a danger that the body is too acidic. Thanks and bless you.


Replied by Ted
(Bangkok, Thailand)
383 posts

Dear Neil:

The article does not directly deal with the real cause of the issue. Gallstones are formed not from chlorogenic acid deficiency, but it is formed from eating very oily foods that exceeds the liver's capacity to emulsify the fatty food. When this happens fat collesce to form tiny balls of fat which form gallstones, along with excessive calcium. But it is also true that excessive fats lead to liver cirrhosis, or a fatty liver. The issue is that Western dietary habits eat too much fatty food and the body simply accumulates fat. While it is true that chlorogenic acid did reduce gallstone, the sad story is it shouldn't happen in the first place if excessive fatty foods weren't eaten at all. Time and time again I mentioned the use of granulated lecithin taken along with food to emulsify the fat, avoid the use of vegetable oils in cooking, fatty foods, and sugar. Chlorogenic acid real action is it prevents the body from increasing blood glucose quickly enough, or something like sugar spikes, when this happens the liver has to overwork and store them or tuck them and converted into fats before it damages the body system. So the issue hence becomes controlling blood sugar, and chromium, which I found can reduce weight, and it doesn't have to be chromium picolinate. I found out a much cheaper chromium chloride works quite effectively in reducing weight, blood sugar to more normal levels and even cured hirsute both men and women, within weeks. Coffee really have a problem of gout and increased uric acid.

A major component of bile is actually water, bicarbonates, and salt. The baking soda and water with sea salt is also a major remedy I have always post almost as consistently. There is an urban legend about not drinking water while eating. This urban legend caused a major problem, it tends to put stress on to the liver with insufficient water, excessive salt, and lack of bicarbonates leading to gallstones, despite the fact that the liver is an efficient organ in emptying the liquids BEFORE it begins to digest. This is why water goes right through the stomach fast and then you have an urge to urinate within a short time.

The issue of bicarbonates is one of the reason why alkalization remedy was chosen: to support the liver function as well as granulated lecithin to emulsify the fat. That alone isn't sufficient, metabolic acidosis, excessive sugar intake causes problems too. If the body's pH is acid, calcium in the bones dissolve and blood serum calcium is high, clogging up the heart, causing stroke, clogging the liver causing If the food has excessive oils, in particular vegetable oils which biochemically becomes cholesterol, as well as excessive eating of meats leads to cholesterol. People actually don't normally think chicken to be high in cholesterol of they don't eat the skins. This thinking is wrong. Cholesterol is found just as high level in white chicken meat as it is found in any meats. Only eating more green vegetables can people lower the cholesterol. I once had an extreme case of high blood cholesterol and had trouble with reducing this issue so a more radical steps was needed to simply avoided all pork, beef and chicken as an emergency measures eating only vegetables for about a month, the figures within a month was within normal parameters. As to the goodness cholergenic acid, it is a lot simpler to just take chinese herbs high in cholergenic acid (chrysanthemum flower, lonicera flowers (jinyinhua), ucommia bark and gardenia fruit which has 20% cholergenic acid) taken ocassionally without the added risk of gout, acidosis, caffeine addiction, and dehydration associated with drinking coffee. Women get more gallstone then men because they keep going into weight crashing diets which dehydrate the body, increase the blood fats, causing gallstones when the blood becomes too concentrated and bile is too concentrated too.


Replied by Stefanie
(Palm Springs, Ca)

Gallstones are not formed from fatty foods; they can be formed from too much calcium, too much progesterone, and disorders in the liver concerning bile or cholesterol, etc. Women do not get gallstones because of diets, they get them more than men because of progesterone from birthcontrol pills, from pregancy, from hormone treatment. I am a nutritionist who eats healthy, sans mammal meats and dairy, and I had 44 gallstones that I extracted naturally myself using the gallstone flush. They formed because I was on too high a dose of progesterone.

Michael A
(Central Florida)

Hi, Stephanie: if I changed from a paleo diet about a month ago to a plant based whole foods (Protective Diet) about 5 weeks ago, do you think an inflammation in my left chest under breast area in last few days could be result of detoxing from previous diet? Maybe stones or bile? I looked it up and both liver & gallbladder are on right side, correct, so I'm wondering if this sensation of fullness in left abdomen, way under heart, could be from either? Confused!

Replied by Rachellelvn
(Covina, California)

Actually it is estrogen that causes the increase in cholesterol in bile not prgesterone, if this was the case we would see a decrease in stones as women got older and periods ceased however the opposite is quite true, gallstones increase when periods cease due to decrease in progesterone.

Replied by Jaime
(Boston, MA)
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I wanted to comment and add some helpful tips regarding detoxing and the liver.

I was diagnosed with Polycystic Liver Disease, as we know is a congenital disease. I'm in my late 30's and have been in the Fitness and Wellness Industry as a profession since my early teen years. I ate well for all of my life and in my late 20's switched all my foods to Organic. I've worked out as an Aerobics teacher and personal trainer. So when I was diagnosed with PLD it was a bit of a shock. I started experiencing burning in my right upper abdomen and extreme bloating by any foods that I ate was extreme. I looked like I was 6 months pregnant every time I ate. I always ate gluten free, higher organic meat proteins in moderation with low sugar including organic vegetables and fruits. I also work as a full time Sports Massage Therapist and have heavy demands on my body. When I went to the ER the conventional medical doctors were not helpful at all. They basically wanted to give me pain meds and send me on my way. I took it on my own as a Wellness person to investigate and change up my heathy lifestyle and design my diet to what fit my new disease.

First, I took out all animal protein. Consuming the heavy meats while having liver cysts would slow the liver down while it was trying to detox. A lot of fitness people try and consume 1 to 1.5 grams of protein per body weight. For some people this would be fine, but for others that have PLD or any liver dysfunctions it would be toxic. Once the meat is broken down, there can be an over abundance of ammonia in the bloodstream, which can be very toxic.

Next, I took out any organic dairy, which included cheeses for me. Dairy is one of the hardest substances for the liver to process.

Next, I cut out wine and coffee. Wine I only consumed twice a month and coffee I had organic every morning. I got it out of my system.

Next, I installed a water filtration system in my house. A lot of water in certain cities now has Chromaline in the bathing water which is absorbed in the bloodstream. It's basically toxic ammonia that cities use to cleanse water of bacteria and is cheaper for them to use than anything else. A lot of people have gotten very sick with different types of digestive disorders affecting the liver and causing tumors.

Next, I added tons of plant proteins, tons of veggies, brown rice, quinoa, herbs and ACV. I used metabolic enzymes, digestive enzymes, milk thistle, tumeric, b 12, niacin, zinc, d, c, e, and a good probiotic.

Since my change, I have no liver pain and all my bloat decreased. My energy level increased and I feel even healthier than before. Anyone can adopt this lifestyle. Any type of liver disease, I would address enzymes in the body and killing parasites. Also, the water you're drinking and bathing in. Finally, the liver absorbs all your emotional stress. Taking time away from noise, negativity and addressing past fears and anger is a priority as well. Staying away from prescription drugs and getting fresh foods with plenty of sleep can help wonders. I hope this helps. It's been 5 months for me and I will go back next year to check and see if I've shrunk my liver cysts. So far I can tell on my own I'm 75 percent better. If you're a women, keeping hormones balanced and avoiding high estrogen dominant foods and staying away from birth control is important. Try consuming at least 2 liters of filtered water a day to remove toxins and add lemon. May God bless all of you and may he heal your pain and disease.

Replied by Daisy

Have you had a repeat test to see if you have improved?

Replied by Rima
(Vancouver, Bc)

Hi Jamie,

hope you getting better and was wondering if you would like to share your results. I'm pretty much in this situation and have similar lifestyle. Very much appreciate!


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Posted by Cinderella (Aurora, Colorado, U.s.a.) on 03/07/2012
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Hi, I'm new to this forum but wanted to share a liver cleanse recipe with you guys. 1 cup of shredded carrots, 1 tsp of virgin olive oil, and a squeeze of lemon juice. Eat throughout the whole week along with your regular food intake. It really does work!

Replied by Jen
(Bozeman, Mt, Us)

Mmmmm.... I am going to have to try this one. It sounds kind of yummy for a liver cleanse:) I love carrot salad.

Replied by Flower's Mom
(Pueblo Of Acoma, Nm)
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Hello, I have been recovering from a severe infection of candida and fungus and am currently healing from the damage it did to my body. My routine consists of first detoxing, then cleansing, and finally nurturing and fortifying the organs, one system at a time so as to not overwhelm my body while in this fragile state. I came across this recipe and decided to add it to my ritual since it sounded so good and easy. I used 1 cup shredded carrots, 1 cup finely chopped celery, 1 T. EVOO and fresh lemon juice. I also added 1 T. ACV, some fresh chopped parsley and cilantro and some Himalayan sea salt.

I must say it is truly delicious, has been very helpful, and I look forward to this detoxing "salad" every time I decide to make it. Just wanted to share this information. I hope it is helpful. And thank you, Earth Clinic, for your valuable contributions. God bless, and long may you live!

Replied by Anna W.

Thank you, thank you. I am still in the very, very early stages (4.5 months) of going after what has been a lifelong (67 yrs old) candida infestation. Bill Thompson's book and revised protocol has been my bible with really, really good, if small progress.

I cannot go head-on, as I might wish, as the side effects are debilitating - but if I do a little and let myself adjust, I seem to be making good steady progress.

I have been wanting to find a gentle liver cleanse for ages and sounds like yours is something I can handle and even enjoy. Please, please, what is EVOO?

EC: EVOO - Extra virgin olive oil.

Replied by Flower's Mom
(Pueblo Of Acoma, Nm)

Hello Anna,

I know what you mean about approaching this process slowly. I have been on this healing and recovery path for 4 years now, but granted, I was on the cortico steriods which led to my severe candida infection for decades, so I expected a long journey, and I do not want to overwhelm my body, which only sets you back anyway. So listen to your body, it will tell you when it has had enough and you need to slow down or take a break. Although I am not there yet, I am light years from where I started, so I want to encourage you! This forum, has been lifesaving and life changing for me and my family, and I tell everyone about it. I am glad you found something here that will help you as well. God bless and good health! Flower's Mom

Posted by Amy (Moscow, Id, Usa) on 08/27/2011
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I used some of the information in two of Dr Sandra Cabot's books to help clean my liver. 6 years ago, my liver enzymes were 3 times higher than normal and an ultrasound showed a fatty liver and 2 large gallstones. I added carrot, celery, and parsley juice to my breakfast along with a large glass of fresh lime juice/water for a month. I cut out red meat and dairy for about 4 months and took vitamin E, milk thistle, and taurine daily for about 6 months. 9 months after starting it, my liver enzymes were in the middle of the normal range and I haven't done anything to cleanse my liver since then. 6 years later, my liver enzymes are 10% of what they were when I started the supplements and juicing and I haven't had a gallbladder attack either. I hope this helps someone.

Replied by Bibi
(Nashville, Tn)

To Amy from Moscow, ID - thank you! This IS great and very helpful info.

Replied by Bob
(New York)

Oscar, I have trouble gaining weight, what do you recommend to gain back weight ? I still taking digestive enzymes for digestive issues.

Replied by Tank32
(San Diego, Ca)

Hey, eat bread fatty foods, pizza but not more fat than bread or rice or potato the fat will be added to yours stores the carbs will keep your insulin running, that stores fat and throw in some protein but not too much or you metabolism will go up again. I'd try living off of rice with butter on it and some fiber add in. Mashed potatoes /w butter. Keep insulin up eat 2000 cals a day or a lil more. Eat vegtables and fruit once in a while. also if you eat more fat than carbs you might keep your blood sugar from going high enough from going into fat storing mode.

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Posted by Leah (Philadelphia, Pa) on 04/23/2013
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Dear truth be told, I'm wondering of you have tried a dietary approach to your condition. I'm not a Dr but it is my understanding that carbohydrates such as grains, sugar, alcohol are hard on the liver and that it is possible to heal your liver with good fat: Eggs, calves liver, coconut oil, avocado, butter, olive oil, cod liver oil, etc. I know others have done apple/beet/carrot juice fasting with good results for liver support. Lecithin is another liver cure you can read about on here which is somewhat related to the fat cleanse.

There is also a section on this website devoted to treating a variety of viruses and I think you may find those options helpfull too. Some off the top of my head are colloidal or ionic silver, iodine, food grade h2o2, olive leaf, apple cider vinegar, aspirin, essiac tea, raw garlic, ginger, turmeric, chilli peppers etc. - lots of virus busting liver supporting options if you troll around this website a bit.

My dads old drinking buddy swears he cured himself of hep c by quitting alcohol and drinking kambucha tea instead. Probiotics are also good if you have ever taken antibiotics, since so much of our immunity comes from the friendly gut bacteria (they make vitamins for us, fight off infection, digest our food etc). Good bacteria like healthy fats like those mentioned above while bad bacteria and yeasts like sugars. Apple cider vinegar and kambucha tea are both good to support a healthy digestive tract but there are many options for getting good bacteria from probiotic yogurt, kefir, kimchee, and saurkrout.

Are you taking a muli mineral and multivitamin? Do you get enough sunlight to make vitamin d. I know jaundice in babies responds very well to light treatment which means the liver needs vitamin d to regenerate. Other viral diseases tend to respond to sun treatment as well. Dr Mercola highly recommends getting enough sun to keep your immunity up.

Two other websites I find infinitely helpful are and I also like Dr Myhill's website for specific nutritional recommendations.

I'm wishing you well again soon and I hope some of this information proves useful.

Replied by Beverly
(Garden Grove, Ca)

I have a giant hemangioma in my liver. It is only being watched but has begun to push against other organs creating some problems. Is there a dietary means to clean that up?

Replied by Steve

Check out the Hulda Clark liver flush and coffee enemas. Standard protocols for clearing stones and toxins from the liver/gallbladder.

Essential Oils

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Posted by Beamer (Brissy, Australia) on 05/06/2016
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Essential Oils cleaned out blocked liver:

I am grateful for this site and am hoping this will help someone. Applying an essential oil blend externally 3 times cleared my liver. (I DO NOT SELL THEM). After that I could actually take supplements without them making my face numb. Now I take huge doses of Niacin for my anxiety and life is becoming wonderful again.

A while back I was in really bad shape - for a year I couldn't take more than a quarter of the adult dose of a quality multivitamin (took a while to find one I could tolerate at all) or my face would go numb. Auto-immune diagnosis and major issues.

One day I tried an essential oil blend designed to help digestion - ingredients were Ginger, Peppermint, Tarragon, Fennel, Caraway, Coriander, and Anise essential oils. (called Digestzen). I rubbed 2 or 3 drops over my liver area 3 times in one day. The next day I had pain in ALL joints in my body - this took a week to clear. I also saw something that looked like chopped straw in my poop.

After a few months I got brave enough to try again - this time I applied only once 2 drops over my liver. I got a little pain in my liver this time.

A week later I tried again 2 drops applied over my liver and it was all good.

I read later that the straw stuff is called chaff and is crystallised stuff that literally blocks the tiny ducts up and was leaving the liver. My liver was literally blocked up. (So nothing was working very well)

Since then I have also started using Chinese bitters. I am now able to take supplements in orthomolecular doses without fear of tremors all night or numb face, etc.

Life if fabulous. Keep asking the universe/god for help and it will come - love to all and I hope this helps someone.

Replied by Blanche
(New Jersey Us)

It sounds great to me. Hopping you are a serious human being acting in God's name and not be a charlatan.

NOTE: I had missed a important information.

All those oils from GINGER at to Anise, comes in a hole bottle, or we have to buy all individually and then, mixing them in a glass jar?

Please, let me know and were I can buy them too.

I have two Benign cysts, one is 1 cm and other, the first one had show in X-Ray is now 2cm.

I am so happy for you, because I know how bad you usually feel, I can not eat almost nothing every thing hurts me, even medicine do not cure me instead make me worst. My bally is always blowing I need digestive on the account remedies.

All my joins of my body hurts, since I was a child, I noted it after I had turned yellow like a Lemon even my eye I was only 6 years old. Not school took me in because teachers thought I was a hepatitis person.

Dr. said that I have a damaged liver but not contagious, it was a Jaundice infected liver by contaminated water of uncooked food. until my color finally clear a great deal but not complete I still look a Olive greenish.

Today, I am going to be 77 next June 07/17 and my health is getting worst I feeling the earth is moving, actually it is me only, and even felling down frequently by not reason at all. Every thing I eat is bad, gasses are my worst anemic and always are with me.

I am telling my history for those ones that might have the same problem and not ware that can be the liver too.

I never had drinking neither smoke, not eat hot food because I have had follow very carful since the Dr. had diagnosticade me with liver damaged, I can not grease, meat and many other foods, and I have had developed Asthma that is together with the liver, ready to make my live miserable.

Please return my email letting me know if all those remedies comes already mixed or I have o buy them individually and mixed those myself.

I hope it ill kill most of my problems, thanks to you and God that has had put you in many people lives to get cure or at least most better.

Thanks again and God bless your and yours too.


Replied by Charity
(Faithville, Usa)

Ginger, raw, thinly sliced and chewed or crystallized ginger tiny pieces, really cut down my liver pain, go slow it's very strong.

Replied by Beamer
(Brissy, Australia)

The name is listed - Digestzen (by doTerra). Young Living and other companies sell similar digestion blends - they all have similar ingredients. Try also using Swedish or Chinese Bitters as well. These help clean out the liver. God bless you.

Replied by Taneisha

Thank you.

Replied by Star

Have you tried the essential oils yet? Did it work for the cyst?

Replied by Carri
(Marysville, Washington)

Tell me more about the niacin you used and the dose per day. Your experience too. Thank you, Carri


Carri -

There is a fb group on high dose Niacin. Also learn from and search youtube for Andrew Saul, Dr Abram Hoffer (who treated mental illness with supplements and removing foods that cause allergy/sensitivity in many) and vitamins. There is also a vitamin C group on fb who discuss niacin, niacinamide, vitamins, minerals and amino acids.

Eating a tablespoon of lecithin with meals helps fatty liver (and anxiety in many cases) as does taurine. I was actually shown my test results and told I had fatty liver after an ultrasound showing gallstones. Nothing was said about lesions, but I was in there having a gall bladder attack and had my gall bladder removed so they only looked at my gallbladder. (2008). In 2013-2015 was when I couldn't take vitamins and so on.

Replied by Dana


I'm sorry you are suffering so much. Since childhood, I have had same similar symptoms as you have.

Not one single doctor could discover, let alone diagnose what I have.

It's only now in my old age, that it turns out I have Hemochromatosis aka excessive iron overload.

Here's what's helping me: I follow Ted's Borax protocol daily and also:

First thing in the morning, (on an empty stomach) I take 1 capsule Inositol Hexaphosphate (IP6), and 2 capsules Choline Inositol (Now Foods brand).

1 tablet Super Oxide Dismutase.

After 30 minutes, I take 1 cap full of Liquid Colloidal Plant Minerals (Now Foods brand), and 1 drop Lugol's Iodine rubbed into my skin, and then have 1 egg for breakfast.

After breakfast: Vitamin B Complex, Marine Beta Carotene (Vitamin A) 25,000iu, Vitamin C 3000mg, N-Acetylcholine Cysteine (NAC), Sublingual Vitamin D3 lozenge 1000mcg, Vitamin K2 Mk4 and Mk7 100mcg each, Essential oils: Natural Vitamin E (mixed tocopherols and mixed tocotrienols) 400iu, Conjugated Linoleic Acid 1000mg, Fish oil 1000mg, Evening Primrose oil 1000mg, 50mg Zinc, 400mg Magnesium Malate, Potassium Citrate 3 capsules.

Dhea capsule 50mg and Pregnenolone capsule 50mg

Avoid multivites that have iron in them.

Midmorning 3 Brazil nuts for Selenium. mg

Evening After dinner:

Melatonin 1 mg sublingual, Magnesium Malate 500mg, Glycine 500mg, Choline Inositol 2000 mg, Progesterone Cream (tiny pea size drop).

I hope this can also help for you.

Replied by Nadine

Did you have a lesions on the liver. Blood clots on liver. I am looking for a natural remedy to solve this.

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Posted by Linda (Tampa, Fl) on 12/01/2012

Does anybody know if using a heating pad over your liver when sleeping will raise liver enzyme levels? Thank you.

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Posted by Sherry (Burnsville, Minnesota) on 10/04/2011

I discovered our whole body is circulatory, over 80,000 miles of blood vessels and the LIVER is loaded with them also and with it being a cleansing mechanism of the body, if it gets sick, toxic and unhealthy this causes a back-up into the body. 2010, when I almost lost my twin sister, I got blessed to hear about a 37 yr old with 80 yr old blood vessels and now he is 74 with blood vessels of a 12 yr old. You can bet his liver is clean. This is a Doctor and it is validated by Nobel prize and both the doctor and a heart institute use it on every single patient. My sister lives today with no more congestive heart failure and is without meds. Be blessed

Replied by Ernie
(Santa Ana, Ca)

What was the remedy you used?

Replied by Chris
(Sydney, Nsw, Australia)

I agree! Would be great if you could share the Dr & protocol they used here. Sounds great.

Replied by Dani

The remedy above is Pro Argi 9 (main ingredient is L Arginine). The medical doctor is Dr. Prendergast, M.D. in Palo Alto, California. The Noble Prize winner who discovered (with two other scientists in 1998) that L Arginine increases NO (Nitric Oxide) is Louis Ignarro. Louis Ignarro wrote the book: NO More Heart Disease: How Nitric Oxide Can Prevent – Even Reverse – Heart Disease and Strokes reverses heart disease is Louis J. Ignarro.

Thank you Earth Clinic for all of the wonderful information you provide for us all! I hope this posting helps someone.

Replied by Blanche

Thanks for your half way information, the Dr. got better by justly being a Dr. or because he had used some medicine, how he was able to clean out his liver? You had left off the most important information. How did he get cure or cleanse, with any cleanse he has found in any pharmacy or natural medicine. Please tell us the complete story. Thanks

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Posted by Diamond (Salisbury, Usa) on 07/05/2011

I found at a very young age that my liver has always been at risk; I found recently after many years of pain in lower back and being way under weight but severe swelling through out my whole body, was caused from mold, I was also surprised to find that 90% of the USA has chances of mold build up because of the continuous dampness year round causes this mold, the worse case scenario is that doctors nation wide are treating it as an infection which adds insult to injury because most antibiotics are made from mold.

Recently I almost had a heart attack because the antibiotic ciproflaxine made my chest feel like it had been crushed. I think from now on God willing I plan on not seeing a doctor unless absolutely needed. I later found that I had neck surgery that was not needed. How sad a world we live in.

I seriously feel that it's herbs that are holding me together and trusting totally in my own instincts and this website. Thank you Ted and other's that have shared their much needed input, it's the glue that holds us all together.

God bless us all, Peace

Replied by Norma
(New York, Ny)

Usa, I agree with you on the environment we live in can be toxic to us. I proved this, when I was sent to Colombia, South America with the Red Cross for 7 months. I live in NY and had asthma that worsened with 9/11. I was allergic to everything, so many foods and always felt sick and not really strong, especially when I hit 39. Within my first month in Colombia, I no longer had to use my asthma inhalers, or was allergic to so many things. I was eating fruits off trees all day long and lost over 25 lbs. I was so happy and healthy. Upon my return to NY, I slowly deteriorated and within 4 months I had my first asthma attack again. I thought I had been cured, so much that I wasn't even carrying an inhaler and had to rush to the e.r. I have since then considered getting my degree and since I am bilingual moving down to South America and living life, not just surviving like I feel we do here in the United States, unfortunately. This is a great country, and I have served it, but it is not serving me. Norma

Replied by Linda
(Galax, Va)

I used to have asthma really bad and had to use a inhaler quite a few times a day. When I started perimenopause I had an allergic reaction to Chinese food and ended up in the hospital getting a breathing treatment and put on steroids. Later I found out I was allergic to MSG. Well, as you know MSG is in so many foods but I was determined to not eat it any longer so I wouldn't end up in the hospital again. After 3 months, I wasn't having attacks as often. After 1 year I didn't need an inhaler unless I had a respitory infection. I had less sinus infections. It has been 5 years now. I can't tell you how wonderful it feels not to have to use an inhaler or feel like you can't breathe. I wish they would take MSG out of food as I believe this is why so many children have asthma now. It's a shame the FDA allows this.

Replied by Chickenlittle
(La, Ca)

MSG is highly toxic, and apparently the toxicity level increases by A LOT if you reheat leftovers with MSG in it. It all begins with us requesting MSG chemical free food and fluoride free water

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Posted by Joanna (Abu Dhabi, UAE) on 08/10/2014

Hello, I was just wondering if it's good or bad to swallow stones when eating fruits, ie, grapes, watermelon...I thought it is good as normally stones contain minerals and vitamins, but is it ok for the liver. I am not talking about juicing or blending whole fruits, but swallowing watermelon seeds while eating pieces of fruit.

Thank you!

Hulda Clark Liver Flush

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Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn) on 01/13/2017
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HI U OLE PATOOTS DOIN,,,,,,,,,,, as all know I's kinda wild and strange. Anyways, me and my Tractor Driver are starting our annual liver and gall bladder flush this week and want to invite you to come along with us. The procedure is from Dr. Hulda Clark's book as the following URL explains.

She also recommends that you drink apple juice daily for a week prior to the actual flush procedure. We will be drinking a glass of apple juice before every meal preceding our start on Friday night. The procedure is done Friday night and all is completed Saturday mid-morning. There is very little cost, a few lemons, a little epsom salt and a little olive oil. You can follow Dr. Clark's protocol but I will be posting all week and walk you through what takes place on Friday night and Saturday morning.

You will be amazed as to what your flashlight shows you in the toilet on Saturday morning. We have done this flush for about the last 10 years so we no longer get stones, we just get what is called chaff. If this is your first Rodeo then you will likely get stones of every color in the rainbow. You liver will thank you for getting rid of lots of toxins as you should feel much better.

I'm serious about this. This is your chance to clean out your liver with the whole world available to help you. I will post daily on things that may ease any reservations. In Dr Clark's book, she says she gets credit for this flush, but it has been done for thousands of years.


Replied by Robert Henry
(Ten Mile, Tn)

YEP, It's me again. The professional folks have spooked me, because they don't want you to think for yourself. They say you can't do this by yourself. You must have professional guidance..... $, $, $. BS, BS, BS.

After reading what the sites say, I'm going to give you those caveats and you will have to make the decision as what is good for you. If you do the procedure, then don't fuss at me. I ain't got no money nohow.

One lady makes it clear that you must go to her for guidance. Instead, I'll give you what cure zone says and the decision is yours. Read the the possible problems and read the benefits. We are both old and we opt for the benefits. The decision is yours.

Not trying to stir up a controversy, but don't know your health situation. We old, but we've done this at least 10 times.

Here is what you might see in the toilet.

Know this is gross, but this crap is in your liver and you need to understand that. What we get now get is the chaff you see in the last pictures.

Research this flush yourself and I hope you will join us. Our governments can't get along, but maybe we can.



I recently was diagnosed with a 5.5 cm simple liver cyst, I cant digest most food, so much heartburn, gas, bloated, nausea, specialty at night, no stones showed on my ecography, is Liver flush safe to my with such cyst? I was preparing me with apple juice last day to do the liver flush but with this ecography results I'm scared that what could happen with my cyst. Thank you for your help.

Replied by Mama To Many
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Dear Robert Henry,

Just last night I was in bed thinking about how much better I feel than a year ago. A year ago no foods agreed with me and I had heartburn and chest pain that often woke me in the night.

It took me four flushes over the course of a couple of months to get the largest stones out. The proof is in the pudding. I haven't had the chronic heartburn or chest pain since. Even a year later I marvel that it actually worked. No surgery. No organs removed. Yay!

Reading stories here at EC finally gave me the courage to do it. It was that or surgery.

Happy cleansing!

~Mama to Many~

Replied by Robert Henry
(Ten Mile, Tn)

MAMA,,,,,,,, got a few stories to tell you. What folks don't know is that in these stones are full of toxins big time as we have learned from a lady in our little country church experienced this past year.

She had a kidney stone and went to a Cleveland, Tn hospital to get it crushed and passed. They crushed it alright and it was full of E-coli, went through out her body and gave her sepsis. That's a $3 consultant word for blood poison. She was unconscious for 8 days and on life support. They took her off life support and she became conscious 3 days later. She was totally black. So far the doctors have cut off her left arm at the elbow, cut off her left leg at the knee and have cut off the toes on her right foot.

She only survived because we were praying for her night and day . You cannot believe her attitude. She is just grateful to be alive. She has been back to church twice and it thrills us just to see her. If folks don't think there is a God, then I weep for them.

I told this story to my dentist and he related that his son's mother in law is still in the hospital after a simple gall bladder incision went array. The doctors had to operate on her a third time and she went into sepsis and is still in IR.

It is now apparent that toxins are in your fat, and stones and any other place they can hide. They hide in your kidney stones, they hide in you liver and gall stones. Our medical folks are just smart enough to get us to the Holy Land before our time. Crush stones full of toxins and send that garbage through out your body. Are you SHEETING ME? They spent 28 years of schooling and did not know this? You kidding me, right?

Reminds me of going to the Institute of Paper Industry in Wisconsin back in the '70's and learned that the professors were 20 years behind the industry. They brought us up on summer seminars to learn from us. They did not know sheet. I don't think our medical doctors do either. They only know what the mini skirted Pharma Reps tell them.

Excuse my rant. Just more reasons that folks need to flush their liver and get rid of the stones full of toxins.


Replied by Robert Henry
(Ten Mile, Tn)

HI U GOOD PEOPLE,,,,,,, if you are doing the flush, I hope you are drinking your apple juice. It's not mandatory, but helps. Also like Jessie, I did not lie, I just misspoke. Forgot that Sat. we are leaving for Grayton Beach, Fla. so we will do the actual flush on Thursday night. Suggest you stay with Fri. night going into the weekend.

There are additional things that will assist you:

Take about 4 to 8 capsules of 500 mg L-Ornithine for sleep and a heating pad on your left side to encourage your liver to flush. Have a bright flashlight so you can observe the toilet stones the next morning. We have learned to have all our solutions in jars and packed in an ice chest next to our bed. They go down better cold. Dr Clark says to use pink grapefruit, but we have used lemons, either works.

Well, if you are not doing the flush with us, then at least you're thinking about doing preventive things like Mama does.


Replied by Robert Henry
(Ten Mile, Tn)

HI U OLE PATOOTS,,,,,,,,,,, tonight we do our liver flush ; have shut off all supplements, eating a mild and late breakfast, drinking lots of apple juice and water. Have all the toddies mixed and in the frig. and heating pads are on the bed. Hope some of you are trying this procedure for the first time. The Russian PhD says in his book that he and his Retreat followers spent a week detoxing and conclude with the liver flush. He considers this to be one of the best things to do for good health. We have two of his books. His mother was an MD and was disappointed that he studied Physiology, not medicine. His reponse was that he wanted to help people stay healthy and not just treat their symptoms.

Wish us well, =====ORH=====

Replied by Delia
(Northeastern California)
47 posts

I dropped the olive oil part since the green of the olive oil could be mistaken for stones. I started the Atkins cholesterol protocol, TMG, vitamin E, a bunch of supplements. That alone flushed the smaller stones. I found though that for me they returned very quickly and I used plain Apple Cider Vinegar to keep them flushed. Later I found Stephanie Seneff discussing sulfur and cholesterol sulfate and its proper function in the body, added MSM to my protocol, resolved stones and diarrhea as long as I keep on the MSM and TMG. I have helped two people flush their stones the way since then. One was my husband who went on a fast and felt like he was having a heart attack. He grew new respect for my pain all those years.

Indian Remedy

Posted by Lakshmy (India) on 02/24/2015

I just wanted to share with you that from our forefathers we used to treat liver problems with a particular medicine which we used to give at home.

Many people used to come take this medicine and also we never charged them any money, I had recently had treated my own son? it does work well but you need to follow these steps and also
please follow the days we give the medicine? and stick to the diet which I normally ask during the days you take it... this medicine you can make it at home and take it only on these days.

Ingredients you need:

Garika in telugu (A kind of grass called Agrostis linearis. durva. Ainslie.)

Cardamom Powder (half teaspoon)

Saffron a pinch

Our beliefs the medicine was given on:

Sunday Morning, Evening and Monday morning.


Thursday Morning, Evening and Friday morning.

Please wait after taking one time don't stop your medication which your doctor prescribed and then check after 15 days
with your doctor and check how well is our liver functioning.

Also please remember the diet when taking the medicine eat light and no oily food also no non veg and fatty food.

We used to ask our patients to eat only boiled rice with buttermilk during medication days whenever hungry and water.

Also follow your doctor's diet and medication.

Please check and post your experience with others. I hope it helps you.

I will answer all your questions if you have any.

My youtube video for preparation:

Jaundice Remedies

Posted by Lana ( Sydney, New South Wales, Australia ) on 04/17/2014

A young girl of 13 has been diagnosed with severe jaundice. Yellow skin, yellow eyes...the local doctor has prescribed rest! Her mother is frantic with worry. What should I tell her?

Replied by Mmsg
(Somewhere, Europe)

Lana, there are 2 things that may help:

1. Lots of lemon juice.

2. Being in sunlight.

Replied by Dave
(Fountain Inn, Sc)


About the 13 year old with jaundice;

Normally jaundice associated with Liver problems; Google "jaundice causes" and you'll see a number of liver associated issues. But for a 13 year old, one of the viruses that cause Hepatitis (A, B, C and D).

Earth Clinic has a lot on Hep. "Oscar" writes about the benefits of BHT and much is on the "Ailments" section under Hepatitis or the Remedies section under BHT.

I'm big on Colloidal Silver and if this were me, if I had jaundice, I'd immediately take a quarter glass of CS three times daily to kill the virus....assuming it is a virus.

Replied by Rsw
(Uniontown, Oh)

When I had severe Hep A, I was offered Tylenol at the ER, and then many times by nurses after hospitalization. Fortunately, I had heard Dr. Rosenberg tell how Tylenol, which was advised to be given to children with fevers instead of aspirin in the 80's, was causing liver failure. My own pediatric doctors told me the link between Reyes Syndrome and aspirin was not proven, so I infrequently gave my children baby aspirin on the rare occasions when it seemed needed. I believe refusing to take any Tylenol in the hospital may be one of the reasons I survived.

Replied by Timh
2083 posts

Rsw: Prior to receiving 2 units of blood transfusion, the nurse recommended Tylenol (to help prevent reaction) but I had read of toxicity issues so I mentioned the likely possibility of sickened liver and ask for half a tab. Some time ago I tried Ibuprofen but it caused venous stress so I dropped it. For inflammation I currently take Celadrin and Flax Oil.

Replied by Rsw
(Uniontown, Oh)

Thanks, Timh,

This is the first time I have heard about Celadrin, but I looked it up and it looks good! Do you take the capsules or the topical cream? I have Flax Oil and I take curcumin that has enhanced absorption, although I don't notice much difference with it. Supposedly a good brand but doesn't seem to work for me.

Hope you are doing well. Your recent posts seem to be indicating some improvement. Yeah! Thanks so much for the pointing out the Celadrin. I will put it on my list!

Replied by Timh
2083 posts

Rsw: Your concern is very much appreciated and of course makes me hope all is good w/ you. I caught myself being overoptimistic in one of my recent post as my improvements seem to always get overshadowed by the progressive nature of my illness as I know that death is near... until Dave from Fountain Inn, Sc (shoutout "thanks a million Dave") posted info about Calcium 2 AEP (of which I somehow have never heard of) so I started 4 caps daily on Monday w/ immediate and cumulative results as of today. The benefits info has proved 100% correct in my toxic condition. So my hope for sufficient recovery is gaining.

I take 1 350mg Celadrin softgel daily w/ noticeable results. I also take Turmeric when I have it in stock. Eating Pineapple is also good anti-inflammatory.

Replied by Pinky
(Nj, US)

Can you find india grocery? We need chuna.

Liver Cleanse

Posted by Henrietta (Kitty Hawk, NC) on 09/30/2014

For clearing liver stones, is it enough to do coconut oil with lemons everyday? If not, and I do the olive oil with citrus cleanse, are there any substitutes for the apple and cranberry juice, as I have acid problems. Finally, a general diet question. Is it okay to take flax oil, whey drink and mushrooms, or will these adversely affect my PH?

Replied by Beamer
(Brissy, Australia)

You can take tart cherry juice or a malic acid supplement instead of the other juices.

Liver Cyst Remedies

Posted by Marisa (Ny) on 08/13/2014

I was recently having upper abdominal pain and had a lot of testing done. The only thing found was a 1.5 inch liver cyst in the exact spot where I was having pain and bloating. The doctor told me "these don't cause symptoms" however with what I have been reading I know it is not true. Surgery on the liver is not very safe and I am desperate for a remedy.

Replied by Timh
(KY, US)
2083 posts

@Marisa: It would be nice to know exactly what type cyst you have. In the meantime, I would recommend applying a strong magnet directly to the area for about 30 min daily fallowed by a Don Croft Zapper for 30 min directly over the area. Fallow this w/ garlic oil soft-gels in the am session and Oregano Oil soft-gels in the pm session. These remedies will reduce the infection and inflammation and eventually kill the cyst; may take several months treatment.

Liver Cyst Remedies
Posted by Joy (Battleground, Wash) on 03/09/2013

I have over thirty of these on and in my liver... they called them simple liver cysts at first. I had the big ones, over a liter of liquid drained and they refilled that week. I had them surgically removed from the surface and new ones formed. They seem to be autoimmune.

Would love to hear some good testimonies and remedies ANYONE...?

Replied by Timh
(Louisville, Ky, Usa)
2083 posts

Joy: Are these perhaps Tapeworm Cysts???

The standard liver support herbs are Milk Thistle Seed, Turmeric Root, Artichoke Leaves. How these would affect your condition, I don't know, but will most likely improve your health. Inflammation would seem to be a major issue.

Replied by Mmsg
(Somewhere, Europe)

Joy, obviously something keeps causing it to come back. Maybe investigate what that might be and eliminate/modify that.

Replied by Joy
(Battleground, Washington)

I had a gallbladder scan , a colonoscopy, a throat scope , while I was put out, and blood work, a CT scan , MRI , Lymph Check with imaging, and a bunch of other avenues checked before the surgery. I have candida battles, sensitivities , allergies, and take multi enzymes and papaya tabs, yogurt, coconut oii and flakes, multi vits& minerals, plus magnesium citrate twice a day , Lecithin, > milk thistle every couple days ( I get symptoms from it), I eat healthy, very little meat. Drink some lemon with ginger and tumeric , gives me a tiny crack on one side of mouth. I let that heal and then try it again.

Replied by Kathy
(the USA)

Joy, I replied to you about the gelatin capsules... Sounds to me like you have sensitivities to the binders and fillers in your meds. I am extremely sensitive to manufactured glutamic acid (MSG). I cannot ingest gelatin capsules. I cannot eat yogurt. I had to get the magnesium powder because the magnesium citrate caused PVC (premature venrticular contractions) that felt, to me, like heart flutters. After all my tests that was the diagnosis I was given. I then found out about the "citrate". It is processed from corn because it is cheaper than from citrus fruit. The FDA is not protecting us and I said earlier on this site that they should be renamed the Fool and Deceive Agency. I think you should stop taking all the processed things you are taking. Especially yogurt. The dairy cows are being fed GMO grains and grasses. As I mentioned, it has taken me over twenty years of piecemeal learning and it is difficult to "spit out" in a few sentences how I know what I've learned.

All of our fruits vegetables have been engineered to last longer. Corn and Soy are two of the deadliest ingredients in our food supply and they are in practically everything. They are being fed to critters we eat, get milk and eggs from and are difficult to digest. Nothing is safe. Moderation is essential.

Replied by Kathy
(the USA)

I have to apologize for being so piecemeal but that is the nature of someone who has had two traumatic brain injuries... Comatose after one. From my experience, you seem to be ingesting things that are in conflict with each other. I don't feel you could be "eating healthy" if you keep having problems. I have had to do a little research to use food as my medicine. This will have to be continued if you are REALLY interested... There is much information I could share but it will be piecemeal and I want to be thorough when I give it. It is important to stop eating raw fruits and vegetables because they are not digested well. They must be cooked to be easier to digest. What I've learned is contrary to what has been acceptable as "healthier eating". Canned and frozen are better because they are picked at their peak and blanched.

Belinda A.

Hello- I wonder if you have looked at any emotional triggers to this issue? We are mind body and spirit and I feel at the place in which we need to look at any bodily issues from that stand point. Just a thought to help you rule out. But mind has a lot to do with health. So liver is the seat of anger. Is there any unprocessed anger that could be bringing these back up? I want to say how brave you are. And to keep going. You are your own best resource and the more you get in tune with all of you, the better you'll be. Hang in there.

Replied by Mmsg
(Somewhere, Europe)

Kathy, I am REALLY interested on your findings on "healthy food". Please keep posting, even piecemeal!

Replied by Kathy
(the USA)

I had just posted my "last post" to Joy after reading what I posted because I think I was more confusing than helpful. I gave more explanation but lost my connection and lost what I had typed. I think I should have told her she sounded like she was sensitive to hidden sources of MSG instead of the binders and fillers in supplements (they can be made from genetically modified plants and are a hidden source). Those of us who recognize our sensitivity refer to "MSG" as any processed free glutamic acid. It is not Monosodium Glutamate but it does the same damage. It is in many different foods under many different names and everyone will react differently and it can be carcinogenic. I forget the rest of what I had said.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I learned my "cysts" wherever they were came from too many carbohydrates. All of our dairy (whether milk, cheese or butter) is from cows being fed genetically modified grains and/or grasses. I thought I was getting unadulterated whole milk in glass bottles from free-range, grass fed dairy cows. I not only had a hard time keeping my weight down but I kept getting more "cyst-like" blemishes. I knew they previously came from too many carbs but I was limiting my carb intake.

I called the dairy and asked if they were feeding their cows corn. They reluctantly replied "yes, along with the leaves". Knowing the milk in glass bottles is safer I started getting 2% milk and my "cysts" reduced in size. I still eat butter but I get it without salt and use sea salt. I limit my cheese to 1/2-1oz. at a time. I don't know if you are familiar with the low carb diet but meat, eggs, cheese and butter are not supposed to have any carbs. This can't be true anymore because of what they are being fed but who has the money to do any testing? I don't believe there are any reliable labs anyway.

Boy, I got way off here... I don't know what you read or what I said that got your interest. I'm not real familiar with how postings work here but I'm going to try to "flag" this so I know when you reply. It's not good for me to sit here long and sometimes it upsets my husband.

Replied by Joy
(Battleground, Wash)

Kathy, Not to worry, my brain has it's own farting issues. That's why I'm using so much coconut oil. Some days I have a special case of STUPID. I think you said food unprocessed and supplements were bad for me and it is, ... But I still have to eat some if I want to stay alive. We are all being poisoned by the greed, so we have to pick and choose from this poison or that one. Which is the least toxic?

We are all doing our best at being human, trying to find answers for our issues and help our fellow man. I appreciate you trying to be of help to me.... Let Your JOY be Full.

Replied by Kathy
(the USA)

PHEW, took me a long time to find this post.

I am in the process, I hope, of correcting a diagnosis of IBS and have to spend frequent time in the bathroom. Having had a breech vaginal delivery makes things difficult. I'm sure I'm a candidate for a colostomy but I do not want to live the rest of my life like that.

It's hard to know what "eating healthy" is. What is good for one may not be good for someone else. I'll just try to explain my thought processes of what I am doing and why. I could very well be wrong but I'm gonna try. I just started using coconut oil so I only use a sliver (about 1/2 tsp. )with my butter. This part was added after I started this... I only use sea salt with turmeric and ginger. I just read that cayenne pepper stops bleeding so I've starting using some of that.

I have damaged myself in a way that I need to replace the lining of my colon. There is about a two inch section that is not there. (actually that part is the rectum) The nerve cells are dead and I read that garlic helps regenerate the lining. I try to eat green beans (cooked well) and either carrots or cauliflower, chewing them up with a garlic clove.

Carrots are good for Vit. A, necessary for tissue repair. Cauliflower contains Vit. K needed for blood clotting and the green beans are a good source of magnesium that binds with protein before being absorbed in the intestines. It also offers some protection against MSG.

I then have a couple medium eggs with onions. Sometimes I have an ounch of cheese with them or I'll have them on a small red potato with the skin, a sliver of butter (without salt) and a sliver of CO. I also use the sea salt with turmeric and ginger.

A long time ago I read that zits, "clogged pores" occur because of eating too many carbs and not enough Vit. A. Looking back, I had a hard time with my complexion at the same time I had reoccurring cysts on my ovaries and I had one behind my ear.

I hope this helps you a little. You did not reply so I don't know what else to tell you. Please be aware that I have got to finish a course before the twenty-ninth and I do not maintain an internet connection. It's taking me a long time because I cannot sit here long. I gave an explanation of what happened but because it has nothing to do with what EC is for, I don't think it would be allowed. I wish I could email what I had typed. I saved it in case. ~Kathy

Replied by Joy
(Battleground, Wash)

Hi Kathy from Happyville, You sound like you eat a healthy diet and have overcome a lot of obstacles. I added a full spectrum multi mineral lately to my intake and that has been helping. I also use two magnesium citrate a day and hope to add some potassium citrate soon. Maybe get some zip in my doo dah!

I use 3-7 tsp. A day of coconut oil plus coconut flakes without sweetener. I love the improvements in my health. Coconut oil is the only oil that doesn't tax the liver. My skin is full of circulation and healthy color and plumped out, less wrinkles, dark circles, I have had since childhood, are lessening.

I started using the oil for the first time in Nov. or Dec. of 2012, after reading a book on Alzheimers.

I bought a coconut oil book recently and there is a candida flush diet in the book (3-7 days to complete it). I have to get some lime and try to adjust to it before going on the cleanse... Maybe in May. I had a chronic belly ache till I was 40 but rarely get one if I'm careful. Too much... too soon makes me lose ground in my recovery.

It says in the book that the coconut meat and oil heal the colon also, you said you have IBS---it polishes , cleans, helps restore the tone and helps ph and strengthens, nourishes the tissue from mouth to rectum.

I have lifelong candida issues (from my mother) and that affects the way your body processes food. You can eat and have little benefit. I've been on the health search for over 30 yrs. and overcame a lot of issues but age brings new battles to overcome.

Do you have cysts on the liver ? I have no other cysts. I plan to overcome them, maybe dandelion tea , our yard is full of the stuff.

It's almost SPRING and a black bunny has made it through the winter out there eating dandelion greens. He showed up one day and stayed on.

Replied by De
(Inland Empire)

Enjoy your posts . Very helpful to me

Replied by KT

Hi De, I don't know if Joy is still available. I've tried to contact her through EC CS but never received a reply. The last she posted about her painful prolapse issue, I was dealing with mine. She posted about using Witch Hazel to "pull her bladder back up" or something similar and I was discovering that the "bladder prolapse" is actually stool accumulating and pushing against the vaginal wall. As soon as I could find her post about the problem, I tried to alert her to the fact that the "prolapse" was not her bladder. After I posted my findings, someone else posted in agreement with me.

Replied by KT

It was Deidre that alerted me to possible toxic bowel. It was still the damaging effects of the gelatin capsules that culminated and contributed to my prolapse.

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