Like most of those suffering from those horrible and intensely painful kidney stones I will try almost anything to be rid of them. I have suffered now with kidney stones since 2006 when I passed my first one. I have been to four different Urologists and I have seen the Emergency room so much that now I have my own reserved room and medical bills to match.
I have passed well over 100 kidney stones since my first stone in 2006. I have had three surgeries, meds, pain pills to fill a truck bed, scans, stints, x-rays, cat-scans, you name it and I have been there done that...
I even stopped drinking milk for two years thinking that would help, which it did but then my body just switched from producing Calcium stones to producing Uric Acid stones instead from drinking so much Orange juice. So, now I am only drinking distilled water which is water in its purest form.
I have been told that minerals in tap water or filtered water can cause stones. That drinking soda can cause stones and that eating chips and other salty foods can cause stones and of course dairy products can cause stones but I had no idea that drinking a lot of Orange juice can cause Acid stones.
I have also used Uriflow which did work on some stones and also Renavive which is supposed to be twice as strong as Uriflow according to their advertisement.
Both worked for awhile then for me they stopped being as effective for some reason? Perhaps my body started to get used to taking them so for me they are no longer as effective. No matter the reason the stones continue so now I have found this site.
I am a big guy well over six feet actually closer to seven feet tall and large framed as well. So, I doubled the mix because of my size.
After reading about how taking Lemon Juice with Olive Oil seemed to help so many I decided that might just be helpful. And also, after reading that Apple Cider Vinegar is stronger than Lemon juice I decided to substitute the Apple Cider Vinegar instead of the Lemon Juice.
I have just taken 4oz of Apple Cider Vinegar and 4oz of Olive Oil mixed with about three tablespoons of honey and some Maple pancake syrup mixed in as well to sweeten the mix.
It burned all the way down with a strong acid taste but sweetened by the Honey and Maple Syrup so it went down better than I had thought. After taking the mix I had trouble breathing a little from the strong fumes from the Apple Cider Vinegar, I took some deep breaths and then chased it all down with 16oz of filtered water. I have noticed an improvement already in the pain level of my current Kidney Stone. The sharp pain is now almost gone!!!
Thanks to everyone for your kindness and suggestions, I will see how this works and leave feedback.
APPLE CIDER VINEGAR and LEMON JUICE
I found myself on the site wanting help for kidney stones. I ended up in the ER 10 days ago with lower back pains, throwing up etc. The pain lasted for about 4 hours before making myself go the ER.
Upon seeing a Dr and having a cat scan it was found that I had a 2 mm Kidney Stone. Stayed in the ER several hours with the DR giving me Morphine, Demerol etc..
Since leaving the ER the pain has not been as bad but have been having on and off pains in the lower back. Like with most people I was given a strainer to catch the stone.
So, not wanting to go threw the above pain again I decided to try some home remedies.
After reading post on this site about how some people had results in a matter of mins or hours I decided to try it.
Approximately 3 hours ago I took 2 ounces of Apple Cider Vinegar and 2 ounces of Lemon Juice.
I must say it was the nastiest stuff I have ever tasted in my life. It took me approx one hour of fighting with myself not to throw up. "Would recommend keeping some type of mint candy around to get the taste out of your mouth.
No change with anything as of yet. I will update as time goes on and let everyone have a true insight into my results with this home remedy
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I woke up today at 9AM with the tell-tale signs of an oncoming kidney stone attack. By 3:20PM I passed a kidney stone the size of a peppercorn (not sure how many mm's that is).
This is what I did from the onset: I took 2x 200mg generic Ibuprofen (aka Motrin) with a glass of water right away; then I squeezed the juice of 4 smallish lemons onto a gallon of filtered water that I already had on hand (our local tap water has lots of calcium); then I mixed 2 oz. Of olive oil and 2 oz. Of organic apple cider vinegar (that thankfully I already had these items) and drank it with my nose pinched (chase it with some lemon water to kill the taste because all that oil made me nauseous); then I ran myself a hot bath to warm up and relax the mucles in the kidney region so that they might let the stone through easier - for 20 minutes (ICING THE AREA DOES NOT WORK... I learned that the hard way from last time); then I went to bed, dressed warmly, in a warm room, with a hot water bottle propped against my right kidney; I had gallon of lemon water and more pain pills (just in case) by my bed; I sipped about a cup of lemon water before falling asleep; I slept till about noon; when I got up, I kept replacing hot water bottle with more hot water, keeping it agaist the right kidney keeping it warm; at the same time I continued to drink lemon water and urinating into a container, checking for stones. On the third trip to the bathroom (about half gallon of water has been drunk by this time) at about 3:20PM, I felt a sharp prick along with my urine flow at the "exit point" of the urethra (right where the urine exits the body). The stone was out! Now I will have it analyzed by my doctor.
Hopefully this helps others because it was a total opposite to my last experience 2 years ago, where I was writhing on the floor in pain, throwing up, and asking God for mercy, ending up in the emergency room, with little sympathy, 2 morphine shots and a bill for over $4 grand!!
Right now, I am in high spirits, have no need for any more pain pills, I will continue to use the hot water bottle and will continue to drink the rest of my lemon water till the end of today. And I will probably not eat anything today just to give the kidneys a rest.
Hope this helps others!
I was troubled for over two months with pain and loss of sleep before I passed this LARGE stone! My urologist told me to take Flomax 2 times a day and I kept drinking water all day but I could not rid myself of this stone!
I started drinking 2 ounces of fresh squeezed lemon juice, 2 ounces of extra virgin olive oil and 2 tablespoons of organic ACV twice a day and in a couple of days it popped out! What a relief!
The long and short of it: had to pull my car over driving home from work and call 911 because I was suddenly stricken with a pain which felt like a super nova going off in my lower left back and lower left groin. After CAT scan, a 4mm stone was the culprit. Put on Ketorolac (10 mg) for pain, which was effective for the most part. Drank water until it was coming out of my ears -not a water drinker. However, after 4 days of not passing the little bugger, I was ready for a natural approach;
Lemon juice, olive oil (EVIRG, ) and Apple Cider Vinegar. I started with 1/4 of a cup of each all blended together, and it didn't taste horrible-like salad dressing-and I continued to drink slightly less than my original dose, 3 times a day, morning, afternoon, and night. Meanwhile, my church offered up prayer for my situation Sunday morning 6 days after the initial onslaught.
By 5 PM that evening, I felt a weird sensation as I went to urinate (through the strainer) and, POP! Out shot the miserable little bugger, shaped like a shark's tooth! Moral of the story: God is the author and finisher of our lives. Was my faith in Him, combined with prayers of the faithful, enough to resolve this ordeal? Was it time for the drink concoction to get the job done? I'll never know for sure, but I know which way I'm leaning. 48 hours after starting the drink therapy, it was over by God's grace and mercy.
Lemon juice olive oil and apple cider vinegar...please try it. I got on this forum because I hate doctors and I really couldn't afford it at the time. This remedy kept popping up so I figured I should at least try it. I also bought Chanka Piedra but I never had to take it. This was my second time really dealing with kidney stones. The first time, it passed after three very agonizing months. About 4 months after I had my baby (which I heard is quite common for women who get stones) I began to feel the pain one day. I then urinated blood for a couple days. Once that cleared up by drinking tons of water, I had a few attacks so bad I had to get someone come watch my little one all day while I lay in bed. After about a month of sleepless nights sitting up in bed on a heating pad and popping Advil, I started researching. I ended up making my own concoction of the juice from 1 lemon, 1 large tablespoon of brags apple cider vinegar and (all I had) 2 tablespoons of plain olive oil. At first I had to take it like 4-5 times a day. The pain actually went away for a couple Hours, like 20 minutes after I drank it.
Within two weeks I noticed a sand-like substance in the toilet so from what I read I was very hopeful this was my kidney stone. I was skeptical but I was having to drink less and less of this concoction to relieve the pain so I had to believe it was working. After about two weeks there was no more pain. There were a couple of days when I was drinking it often that my stomach was very upset because of the ACV, but don't give up. I'm assuming my stone was pretty large because it hadn't even passed into my urethra yet. I seriously thought I might keel over a couple of times and I had an all natural home birth months before this, so I am familiar with pain. I still drink the mixture once a week to ward off future stones and so far so good. I hope this helps at least someone:)
My 20 year old very healthy athlete college daughter got a kidney stone a few weeks ago. The first week we did not understand what was going on. I think her symptoms were rare until further on. She texted from school mid-morning one day that she very suddenly could hardly move, was super fatigued, found it difficult to lift her arms, open doors, climb stairs, etc. I advised her to go to the ER as our family has history of blood clots and I thought perhaps that... Her creatinine level was slightly elevated, but no one put two and two together. They suggested dehydration and a virus. No fever or any other symptoms, but she felt like she had the flu in terms of fatigue only. After a few days she came home for a brief winter break and we got her in to see primary and also endocrinologist. More blood tests, but no ideas. (I now believe the kidney stone likely lodged at the exit and blocked or inhibited function, but wasn't in the ureter to be painful yet - who knows?)
A full week had passed and she got ready to return to school on a Monday morning, but woke up with a horrible pain in left side and began vomiting, not stopping until I finally gave her ondansetron (prescription for nausea). She calmed down, slept, went back to school. We first thought food poisoning. In any event, she got little sleep that night for pain and nausea, went to classes the next day, then saw the school nurse, who suggested ulcer. Found herself in ER again that night (Tues.) with bawling pain, and was more quickly and accurately diagnosed with kidney stone, 4mm at about 6 inches up. They gave Toradol shot, which helped immensely. Sent home with prescrip pain meds, Flomax and told her to drink a gallon of water a day. Most days after that she dealt with debilitating nausea and missed classes for several days. That Fri the xray showed stone at 1-2 inches up and the ultrasound tech said she doubted my daughter would be able to pass the stone. Doing a web search I came across earthclinic and read for two hours about results from some homeopathic treatments. I had a friend of hers get to a health food store and pick up organic lemon juice, organic apple juice, extra virgin cold pressed olive oil, and a kidney stone break up pill. She began taking more of the lemon juice with her water, did the oil and lemon juice (2 TBSP total combo) once a day - could not tolerate the oil as burped it up all day, and began the pills. I don't think she did much apple juice. Another factor was constipation - Dr. said from the stone more likely b/c she wasn't taking the pain med. She ended up using suppository, which seemed violent, on Sunday. Her Dr. was in communication with her over the weekend and was talking surgery on Monday. Whatever worked from Sat to Mon morning, she had no nausea waking up Mon morning and could return to classes, though still had some fatigue. I suspect one of the remedies worked and popped the stone down into bladder.
On Wed - two days later, she kept mentioning urgency to pee, which is normal when drinking a gallon a day, but I also knew could be stone in bladder. She passed stone late afternoon without further pain. SOOOO thrilled to have come across this site and my daughter, once they test her stone, is going to find out how to maintain, as they've said she has more stones in both kidneys. We have no doubt these methods were worth the try. Only wish I'd thought of searching for health methods earlier! She did not even do the oil mixture full out, but between that, the lemon juice and the kidney stone break up pills (perhaps even the suppository force! ), she is doing great. Thank you to all who post!!!! (Her diet is filled with nuts, spinach, sweet potatoes, etc. - thinking she eats too healthy - guessing her stones might be from too many oxalates?) ER told her to eat more carbs, less protein. We'll see.
I am a 58 year old male who just got my first kidney stone last Tuesday. I have never experienced so much pain. I went to the er for 6 hrs. They found a kidney stone 2cc. I drank 10 glasses of water a day but to no help on passing the stone.
This morning I read replies on this site and took 2oz of olive oil, and 2oz of lemon juice. 2 hours later I took 2oz of apple cider vinegar. 3hrs. later the stone came out. I have been in pain for almost a week. I hope this can help others.
Kidney Stones/Gall Bladder Stones: Years ago I had kidney stones.. very painful. drank gallions of cranberry juice. finally passed stone through my urnine. Amazing the more you read ..the smarter you get. Just read article. This guy ate Apples all day, before bedtime drank a cup of olive oil.. the next line I like.."The following morning, stones passed thru the Stool." THAT SURE MUCH EASIER THAN IN THE URINE..
STAY WELL MY FRIENDS. Please remember.."Health is worth More than money"
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Question for Ted: How much baking soda should I take to dissolve uric acid kidney stones? Should I be taking anything else with the baking soda? Also, is this the best way to reduce the uric acid in the rest of my body? And is there anything else that would work better? Thanks and God Bless. Dennis
This post does not constitute medical advice. I am not a healthcare professional and I have no training in the health field. This post is here solely for the purpose of sharing my story. The information that I am about to share is not a substitute for the expertise and judgment of your healthcare professional. The information is not intended to cover all possible uses, directions, precautions, drug interactions, or adverse effects, nor should it be construed to indicate that this information is safe, appropriate, or effective for you. Baking soda overdoses have resulted in people being rushed to the emergency room and even death. You should consult your healthcare professional before taking any course of action.
I tried just about everything for my kidney stones but nothing seemed to work- lemon juice with olive oil, apple cider vinegar, lemon juice, magnesium, and the lemon juice bomb all failed to get rid of my stones. I had acidic urine and I knew that alkalinizing my urine would dissolve my stones that thrived in acidic urine (e.g. Calcium oxalate and uric acid stones). I was initially reluctant to do it because I knew that people can overdose on baking soda and get rushed to the emergency room or even die, but I decided to take the risk. I then tried baking soda (also known as sodium carbonate) and it dissolved my kidney stones by the next day! Here's the dosage information that I used from drugs.com:
Usual Adult Dose for Urinary Alkalinization:
325 to 2000 mg orally 1 to 4 times a day. One gram provides 11.9 mEq (mmoL) each of sodium and bicarbonate.
I went on the Atkins diet and my fat was melting off effortlessly. However, a little while after I gave up drinking milk and diet Mountain Dew I noticed that when I tested my urine pH with urinalysis test strips it went from being alkaline to being acidic. I didn't think too much of it at the time as all I cared about at the time was testing for urine protein. Not too long after giving up milk and diet Mountain Dew I got sharp pains in my middle back around the bottom edge of my rib cage. My dad died from kidney failure so I was extremely scared that my kidneys were failing too so I went to my family doctor.
When I went to the doctor, he said that I had a pulled back and did a blood test which showed that my kidney function was great! However, he did his own urinalysis and found blood in my urine. So he said to take it easy on the weightlifting and see him again in 2 weeks. However, the pain turned into aches that spread from my back to my loins and flank. I waited a week but my urinalysis test strips showed that I was still bleeding. At that point I figured it wasn't the weightlifting and then I did some research. My urinalysis test strip didn't show any leukocytes so I ruled out a urinary tract infection (plus infections are rare in men and I am a man). The blood tests showed that my kidneys were fine, plus I didn't see any protein in my urine so I didn't think it was my kidney. So I figured that I probably had kidney stones in acidic urine, which probably meant calcium oxalate or uric acid stones. That's when I found this forum and started trying out the remedies that were suggested.
A. Lemon Juice and Olive Oil - Failure
I took 2 oz of Lemon Juice and 2 oz of Olive Oil once a day for two days. It did absolutely nothing for me. I still felt the aches in my loins and flank and I was still detecting blood in my urine. I figured that I wasn't taking enough so I increased took 2 oz of Lemon Juice and 2 oz of Olive Oil twice a day for 3 days. That did absolutely nothing for me either. So I decided to move onto the next remedy.
B. Apple Cider Vinegar Failure with side effects
I bought the _____ Apple Cider Vinegar with the mother since it seemed that was the one that was recommended. I took a shot (1.5 oz) at midnight and went to bed. But the next day I still had the same aches and still detected blood in my urine. On top of that, I lost my appetite. I felt weaker from the lack of food and forced myself to eat a banana for the entire day. Not wanting to give up so easily, I increased the amount of Apple Cider Vinegar to 2 oz that night. The next day, I got the same disappointing results aches and blood with a loss of appetite.
I went to the doctor after this since it was about the end of 2 weeks. Of course he did the urinalysis test strip and found more blood and then referred me to a kidney doctor (nephrologist). However, I didn't want to see the nephrologist since I figured I had kidney stones, I didn't want to pay for a specialist as I only had disaster health insurance, and I didn't want to have surgery after reading about other people's accounts of pain and side effects after surgery.
C. Lemon Juice Alone So I decided to try the lemon juice without the olive oil and see what would happen. I started out with 2 oz of lemon juice for a couple days and I still had aches and blood. Then I increased it to 4 oz a day for the next few days and still the same results aches and blood. I knew I had to try something new.
D. Magnesium Citrate Reduced pain but not cured
I read Ted's post on magnesium in the gallbladder section and found it very illuminating. Reading the studies on how magnesium was able to not only prevent kidney stones but also cure them in some people intrigued me. It was well worth the read so I am reposting Ted's link:
I also read Fred's account on magnesium citrate. I found it very interesting that the real reason why lemon juice is supposed to work is because there is potassium citrate in the lemon juice, and the liver then takes the citrate and converts it into bicarbonate (which is a strong base). The bicarbonate then alkalinizes the urine. Having read that very acidic urine is one of the precursors to calcium oxalate or uric acid kidney stones, I was persuaded that magnesium citrate was the type of magnesium that I wanted to take. Here's the link Fred shared on lemon juice and potassium citrate:
Then I thought about why my kidney stones formed after stopping diet Mountain Dew. I looked at the label and sure enough, diet Mountain Dew has sodium citrate! I figured that's why my urine turned acidic when I stopped diet Mountain Dew (I drank 24-48 oz/day). But I wasn't about to start drinking diet Mountain Dew again!
I also read about how magnesium is able to bind with oxalate in your system and how magnesium oxalate is 567 times more soluble than calcium oxalate and thus reduce the incidence of calcium oxalate stones:
I bought 400 mg magnesium citrate tablets at my local health food store and took one everyday for a week. I noticed that about 90% of my pain disappeared, but that 10% pain and the blood in my urine was enough to remind me that I still had kidney stones. But magnesium citrate was successful in that it made the aches and pains bearable.
E. Lemon Juice Bomb reduced blood but not cured
I ran across what I call the "lemon juice bomb" on youtube. This man started by drinking 8 oz of lemon juice and then every hour after that drank 1 oz of lemon juice in 8 oz of water for 12 hours. His pain went away. Here's his video:
I tried it. Drinking all of that lemon juice really makes you hate the taste of lemon juice. The next morning I had dry mouth, it was an unquenchable thirst. I drank about 2 liters of water just that morning and my mouth still felt thirsty. But when I checked my blood it went down a noticeable amount, but the blood was still there. Thankfully the dry mouth went away the next day, but it was enough to make me not want to do the lemon juice bomb again.
F. Baking Soda SUCCESS!
I was encouraged by the lemon juice bomb in that it decreased my blood, but I wasn't about to go through that experience again. I started thinking how I could get the alkalinizing effects of lemon juice without having to drink lemon juice because by then I HATED drinking lemon juice. Then I started thinking about how the liver takes the citrate from lemon juice and turns it into the strong base bicarbonate to alkalinize the urine to dissolve the kidney stones. I started thinking that instead of trying to beat around the bush and drink lemon juice to get the bicarbonate, why don't I just take straight bicarbonate? I knew that baking soda was a source of bicarbonate in the form of sodium bicarbonate, so I decided to take it. I was initially hesitant to take it because I knew that an overdose of baking soda would send me to the emergency room or even kill me, but I decided to take the risk.
I found on drugs.com a dosage of 325-2000 mg 1-4 times a day to alkalinize the urine. I translated this to about a 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda and took it every 4 hours. On the first day at the end of the first day I my urinalysis showed that it decreased my blood! The next morning, my urine was cloudy and that excited me I figured that cloudiness was the remains of my kidney stones! I did the urinalysis but was very disappointed to see that there was still a detectable amount of blood in the urine. I tried increasing the dosage to half a teaspoon but then I felt weak, nauseous, and I had to go to the bathroom every 10 minutes. I think I had a mild overdose but thankfully I recovered about an hour or two later, so I went back to the 1/4 teaspoon dose. I continued the baking soda and by the end of the day no blood! No pain! I checked my urine on the third day and it showed no blood too! I went out and bought my favorite beer to celebrate!
Louisville, Ky, Usa
Vancouver, B.c. Canada
I wanted to add another remedy to your list for kidney stones. I'm still not sure why this one is not getting out there to the people as quick as it should, since it is such a fast and reliable fix. So, I would like to suggest Banaba Tea.(crepe myrtle) I buy mine from the overseas, though I have seen herbal shops online in the US carry it as well. Japan, the Phillipines, and others primarily use it for diabetes control. I guess that because that is such a big deal, they tend to forget what it originally was used for by people and that was kidney stone relief and other kidney ailments. It's fast thank goodness! Not only do I use it, but many friends and family also. It's much better than the regretfull look doctors give you as they hand you pain pills and pat you on the back to say good luck when they send you home to pass one the old fashion way!
Shockingly enough, not only does it dissolve the problem stone but anyone that was sent home with a strainer will be shocked at just how much other potential stone minerals they had in their kidneys as well, when they begin seeing what looks like clumps of wet sugar in their strainer!
One word though, some care does have to be taken on where you buy it from. I have tried to save some money before and ended up with tea that did nothing for me.
Davao City, Philippines
Davao City, Philippines
Well my friends I make more kidney stones than a brick factory, and I do think that all the remedies Ive read may have some true in them. But what have worked for me is Corona Beer or Miller Highlife. These are the only two beers that I have certainly noticed help me pass my kidney stones. I drink them 2 or 3 a day before bed time to let it work overnite. and woola. It works and they taste great.
Toronto, ON, Canada
Eau Claire, WI
New York, Usa
Las Vegas, Nevada
beer, not drink alot, one a week. that will help break down the kidney stone. My grandma went to the doctor when she first had one, they said Beer, and it's helped ever since. even my dad does it. as well as my sister.
Napier, New Zealand
I am 26 and have had 5 stone surgeries and I am looking for a natural remedy for CALCIUM PHOSPHATE kidney stones. I have not seen this type mentioned. I've seen the oxalate stones discussed over and over.
Anyone out there have any suggestions for this specific type of stone? It is not the most common and apparently the hardest to treat.
Up The Creek In, Wv, USA