Apple Cider Vinegar Remedy for Joint Pain

Dear Mia, I think apple cider vinegar tea was the first Earth Clinic cure I ever tried and I did so because of the redness and swelling in the joints at my finger tips, as you now have. I believe the recipe I found here was to put 2 tsp. of apple cider vinegar in a cup. Then I added 1/4 tsp. baking soda and watched it until the fizzing stopped. Then I poured hot water over it to fill the cup. I had to use a little honey until I got used to it. Try a cup a day in the mid morning and see if your fingers start to look and feel better. Don't be afraid of this tea. If you aren't seeing a difference, try another cup late in the afternoon. I didn't drink it with food, but not for any particular reason. Vinegar is acid, but it turns alkaline in the body and you will want to start reading about alkalizing your body if you are dealing with arthritis pain. Another writer mentioned it can damage enamel over time. I always kept my lips pressed against the front of my teeth as I sipped and rinsed with warm water. I gradually quit using it and changed my diet to be more alkalizing, but it was very effective for me.

Thank you so much for such a thorough reply, very helpful and I will definitely add the baking soda as I have been reading about it on the Mark Sircus site also..How are you going now with the inflammed joints, have they settled and did you discover anything else that was really helpful.Thanks again.

Mia, I don't actually drink the vinegar tea for my arthritis much anymore because some dietary changes I made have helped tremendously. Quitting gluten, dairy, soy, and sugary sweets all on the same day helped in short order. If you have to pick only one to try, choose gluten.

Yes, I am pretty good with my diet, but need to be stricter at the moment with total elimination of some things.Thanks so much again, for taking the time to give the advice...makes the world feel a good place!

This sounds great. Can you please let us know the combination of all that you mix with your ACV? I've taken ACV different ways for different symptoms. Thanks for your suggestion.

Hi! I drink a LOT... And I mean a LOT of water everyday probably about a gallon or more through out the day. I don't measure... I just splash some in each time I refill my cup. I feel it's better as a constant rather than 2 tbsp's downed in one shot. That's just me though and other people here have amazing results w/ the 2 tbsp's in 8 or 16oz water up to 3x/day. Also... I've had RI to remove my thyroid so I make sure I don't injest any ACV for at least 4 hours after I take my Levoxyl. That's just in case you are on any thyroid meds... Good luck to you, I do hope you feel better... Feeling crappy is the pits! Take care :)

Hi Andy, just wanted to mention that when my son took the krill oil his joint pain got worse. As you mention, everyone is different, so this may be a possibility. For me 6 to 8 oz of aloe vera juice daily helps with my joint pain. I quit taking it for awhile and suddenly hips, knees and ankles were hurting again. Also, more achy when I ingest sugar.

Andy, I have joint and inflammation problems too. Ten years ago, when my problems were much worse, I retreated to a raw-food community which was sort of like an elimination-diet opportunity, and I could observe what went haywire when I ate certain things after a few weeks all-raw.

To try to maybe shed some light on answers to your questions... One, I did go through Herxheimer reactions... so you might be experiencing some of that.

Two, I found my inflammation and pain would subside almost completely if I ate no sugar, not even fruit sugar, and intensified within about 15 minutes if I did. Even watermelon. I've given up "sugar, " including fruit. I mean the stuff that's obviously sugar, and the stuff with fake names that are also sugar, and fructose, and the other -ose/s that are on ingredients labels. And the sugar alternatives like agave, HONEY, MOLASSES etc. etc. etc. I mean I really have given it up. It has been one of the most important things I've done (of several) to get rid of most of the ailments I had.

But "sugar" is also potatoes, yams, rice, right? I've mostly managed to wean myself of potatoes (that was the only thing that was hard to give up: potoato chips! Harder than giving up chocolate, to my surprise), but you do have to have carbs, and I still eat "sugar" in the form of yams, rice, garbanzo/chickpeas, squash...

Years later, I stopped denying that meat was a problem. I still eat fish, but eating almost no meat for over a year was beneficial. I've done that from time to time in the past, with the same benefits, but I was in denial and really wanted to be like the people around me who can eat and drink anything and claim they feel fine. Boy, do I ever envy those people.

Years later, I also realized that I have to give up gluten as well.

I know it seems like this leaves almost nothing, but I focus on what I can eat that I love... Squash, beans, could add lentils which I always forget, avocados, vegies, fish, nuts, vegies, vegies, vegies... You can make wonderful soups and bean/squash meals. Load up on the spices (be sure they're gluten-free; many are not). I can no longer remember what was the big appeal of the flavor sweet. So many other flavors are so much better.

I stay very positive in spite of the inconveniences. Just wish I could gain back some lost weight. I don't like being so thin. Having to cook and being unable to grab food on the go makes it even harder to keep from losing weight.

I know exactly you feel, with all that you are going through I've had to do the exact same thing. You may want to get tested from systemic candida or yeast over growth just to eliminate that as a problem.

You might add some coconut oil to your diet, it heals the gut and kills yeast and makes parasites lose their grip. Kefir is also good bacteria for aiding in digestion of foods. For the inflammation you could also try a topical castor oil, I just noticed the tips of my fingers are shrinking and been putting on dabs of castor oil once a day for one week. I heard one person hurt his finger badly and it was swelling up and throbbing and he put it in a glass of castor oil to soak for an hour and it was back to normal. Other healing helps would be a charcoal tablet at bedtime to soak up gut toxins while you sleep . Take supplements in morning to replenish your system. Oil pulling for 5 minutes in your mouth first thing in the morning might also heal your digestive system.

Lots of water does help but in the books by Dr. Batmanghelidj, he tells of the importance of seasalt with our water

YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT..your eating good stuff.BUT.. our bodies run on electrial currents, according to the book I read from time to time. Our cells are little generators.. the main mix of our cells is potassium and a little salt. If you eat too much Salt it pushes the potassium out and we have joint Pain and back problems. From what I see is on your diet..No food that has potassium. BUT your lucky.. you discovered Apple cider Vinegar, which is loaded with potassium.. Drink daily 3 or 4 times a day.. say 2 tea or two tablespoons.. your pain will be gone shortly and a lot of the other challenges you have.

Stay well.. your living in Nowhere. Sounds like Heaven.
Alfred

Thanks Alfred for your feedback. I will certainly keep plugging away with the ACV. My pain is so much reduced that it's almost like not having any! I've also noticed a big reduction in seasonal allergies. So I definitely think the ACV is something that I've needed.

I do have a question and this is for anybody out there. I was born with problems, can someone who started out life with a hormone imbalance correct it in the course of a life time? I can't seem to find info on this subject. Just want to know if I'm fighting a loosing battle or not.

I believe you can - if the hormone producing glands are not physically damaged. If the parts have just shutdown they should restart with the right kind of trigger however if glands are missing or not formed correctly then it's a case of 'nothing to restart'.

Hi Natural Girl,

I'm not sure what you mean by "born with problems" but I for one, give that a resounding "Yes!" to turning problems we are "born with" around. I was a very sickly child born with a heart murmur, severely anemic through my childhood, plagued with bladder and kidney infections, in and out of drs. and "specialists" offices, excruciating pain coursing through my legs when they got "a cold" of which the drs. could give no explanation, bouts with as many as 30 canker sores in my mouth at a time of which again, the drs. would give me a "chicken pox" vaccine for! Well, when I left home and begin to live on my own, I began to explore health and alternative healing, herbs, dietary lifestyles such as macrobiotic, vegetarian, vegan, etc., spiritual/energetic healing/avenues, meditation, past life work and so much more which turned my life around. I am one of thousands who were willing to take the lesser traveled/known path believing there are answers that the mainstream medical field wasn't giving/didn't know and I was right. It sometimes saddens me that so many people just take diagnoses as "the absolute truth". They give it like it's a life sentence and one you must live with forever yet truly, there are so many answers but you have to search and sometimes it can be a trying search. I am always willing to learn more and believe the world is full of possibilities. One must always know there are answers- hope will also carry you through adversity and keep your spirits up which keeps our body stronger.

Keep searching for your answers- post them more specifically here on EC or keep googling with different words/phrases because different sites show up. I believe there is a Divine Power that you can also ask for help from also. I found my answers beginning here when I tried to learn more about the mini beet protocol after trying everything that people recommmended on here! That led me on a journey I never would have dreamed of! So, don't give up! Our health is worth the effort!

Best to you, Lisa

Thanks for all the feedback, it's encouraging to think that there are others who think I can beat this. I've worked at it for more then 30yrs now. For a brief back ground of myself: I was born premature, my mother gave birth to 7 lbs of very heathy fibroid tumors and 4 lbs of me. I was put in an incubator and my mother was told not to expect to take me home. Well, guess what, I did eventually go home. Been anemic most of my life, can't take iron, have ear infections, damaged eardrums and hearing loss. Use to catch every cold, flu or virus that blow past the door. Have bodyaches and pain pretty much all the time. Have a thyroid that works when it wants to. I was on medication for it but after fighting with my endocrinolgist for 2 years over it and coming to the conclusion he was an idiot. He got my level to just barely within the normal range and was happy with that (do you have any idea how big that 'normal' range is???) I took myself off the medication. I figure if it's not helping me feel better then I don't need to be taking it just because he prescribed it. That was 7 years ago. Started taking kelp and coconut oil and since doing this haven't gained any more weight. Think it's the first time in my adult life that I haven't gained weight. Have no hope of loosing it though and I have a lot to loose. The thyroid issues I'm pretty sure stem from birth, I think it was stuck in producing RT3 hormone which is what's producted to keep us alive during famine. My body just doesn't know that it's not in any danger. I stay tired but I'm pretty good at pushing myself. However, the older I get the harders it's getting to push. Part of me has wanted to give up this pursuit and learn to live with the measure of health that I have but I'm tenacious. Happy to now have the internet to do research, sure makes it easy and frustrating. I'll try to keep posting results and looking for feedback. Thanx again. Good Health To YOU!

Nature Girl.. Did some checking in my Library.. Some Info in the OWNERS MANUAL BY OZ..Keep in the back of your mind..Hyaluronic Acid.. each pill 35mg or more.

I think the Best contact TED..He is one smart person.. Level with.. what you needs are. what your concerns our. Be open with him. What does he suggest. He has a direct line from Earth clinic.. He has gotten a Second wind.. and is answering e-mails lately.

Lisa,

I am wondering if your bladder and kidney infections were just during childhood or did they continue into adulthood? Do you think one specific thing put an end to them or was it a total lifestyle change? Is it true that your health transformation just started a few months ago?

Hi Elsaeasterly,

I would say, for the most part, most of my bladder and kidney infections were through my youth and as I said, when I left home and began to find a new way of life through diet, they never returned. I started as a macrobiotic, then a vegetarian. Eventually, I returned to adding in chicken and later beef back into my diet but I have always maintained eating "close to the land" meaning staying away from fast food, junk food and processed food. It had served me well but then when I was 48 I suddenly started getting bladder infections again and also tooth infections. I would try to get rid of them through natural means which sometimes worked, sometimes not. Then I would have to resort to antibiotics. That was frustrating for me. There would be a demise in my health which, I believe, was a virus that attacked my joints and sent unbelievable pain radiating through my legs. I tried all sorts of paths- Chinese medicine, Aryuvedic, chiropractic, healers, massage therapy, I was open to it all. Just not pharmaceuticals. Interestingly, the same weaknesses from my childhood revisited me at near 50.

I discovered Earth Clinic in my ongoing quest to restore my health in October 2008 and proceeded to try lots of remedies from this site. I saw changes occur and improvements but nothing really, really noteworthy. That was until I tried the mini beet protocol and then onto juicing daily and a high raw diet back in October 2009. Then, lots changed and significantly! Within 2 days my body pain ceased and the bloating that I had dealt with for about 3 years disappeared as well. I lost about 10 lbs. My hip pain improved dramatically (although admittedly, I still have some) and wrinkles around my eyes disappeared. The melasma that had increased as I got older disappeared as well.

So, to answer your question, my health transformation began a little over 8 months ago! I am a great believer that food is our best medicine and I have seen what it can do for us through my personal experience. Honestly, I believe we can turn anything around through diet.

The most recent change I have added in, which began about 2 months ago and has also made a difference, is cultured veggies, drinks and food. I eat kimchi, fermented soybeans, young coconut kefir and cultured veggies. The last two items I make myself. What all of that does is re-colonizes our gut with lots of good bacteria which is where our immunity health lives.

Anyway, if you have questions about turning your own health around, know that it is absolutely possible! I hope this info helps you and maybe even inspires you!

The very best to you, Lisa

Joint Pain update

It's been a over a month now since my last post. In that time I continued with ACV and I started Hyaluronic Acid. The ACV helped me through the worst allergy season ever and I don't gerenally have allergies. The HA is amazing though. Other then the arthritis that's been in certain fingers for years and the new arthritis that settled in my feet a couple of years ago, there is significant improvement everywhere else. Anxious to see how things are going to turn out in the future with this stuff.

I also started h2o2 therapy 6 weeks ago. I'm up to 20 drops am/pm. This has been tough! Doing this for yeast, arthritis and detox. Haven't had any ill side affect from it but it's hard to take, I can shudder anytime of day just thinking about it! As far as it working for me, guess I'll just have to wait and see on this one as well.

After reading so many post by all the wonderful folks here at EC, and how their energy and overall health improved with many of these same things that I'm doing, I'm a little discouraged and concerned that I haven't as yet hit on what I need to be giving my body so that it can help itself. Maybe more time is need for me. Oh, just remembered something, I have been sleeping ALOT better, 8 to 10 hours a night. This has caused me to think about something my mother told me as a kid when our family dog was sick. She said, 'He sleeps so he can get better, just like you sleep when you are sick'. Due to circumstances related to severe stress and anxiety, I'm probably more sleep deprived then anything else. Hopefully, one day I'll wake up, spring out of bed and be ready to attack the day... GOOD HEALTH TO YOU!

No doubt about the miraculous benefits of Apple Cider Vinegar. I learned about this website and about apple cider in my local health food store. But after reading about your issues and your diet and your healthy history, may I recommend two books: (1) The China Study. It WILL change your knowledge base. And (2) Outsmart Your Cancer. I know you don't have cancer, but the brilliance inside the book that crosses over into other health concerns cannot be overstated. One recipe to eat daily is this:

6 Tblspns Low Fat, Organic Cottage Cheese
3 Tblspns Cold Flax Oil
Blend thoroughly with hand mixer (takes 1 minute)
Add 2 Tblspns Flaxseeds freshly ground at home. Don't buy pre-grounded flax ever. Mix. This is the core food. Then you can add 1 cup of berries or fruit or veggies or whatever you like. Personally, I add fresh raspberries and blueberries. It costs a little more, but not nearly as much as a prescription drug. In addition to your ACV, this flax diet will solve more than just inflammation and is highly recommended especially with your diet. Feel free to google up on this diet and Dr Johanna Budwig. Here's to your happy, healthy lifestyle. Jeannie

I got hypomanic when I tried the Budwig diet. Flaxseed oil alone caused me hypomania in the past. Its a rare side effect for a minority of users.

Some online surfing confirmed this www.ehow.com/how_2138860_use-flaxseed-oil-treat-anxiety.html

An update to my post: after using ACV for a couple of years, I began to experience episodes of tingling lips after eating certain foods. At first, it was rare, then occurred more often, and I began to have sores in my mouth frequently. Finally I stopped taking the ACV, thinking that maybe my body was getting too much and reacting to it. Anyway, I haven't had the sores or tingling since. My joints (hands esp. ) were still stiff, even with the ACV, so I'm still looking for a good, reasonable remedy!