Healthy Water, Healthy Body: Home Cures from Water!: Q&A
Last Modified on Jun 26, 2011
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- Is the Chloride Found in Spring Water Healthy?
- Should Carbonated Water Be Avoided to Improve Ph?
- Tap Water: Making It Safe
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I hope you do not mind me contacting you directly as i was very interested to learn how to make negative hydrogen water using your methods discussed on EarthClinic. I have a sintered food grade Calcium powder that is extreme high heat treated that when i place 1 or 2 emptied capsules in a glass of water it generates negative hydrogen for about 14 days outside the body and in the body abouth 8 hours woth -250 millivolts/ORP PH about 9 but it is very expensive.
Can you please elaborate how to make the negative hydrogen solution using "sodium borohydride" (which degrades to negative hydrogen).
Also, where is the best place to purchase or make food grade Metal Hydrides (other than Mega H or Microhydrin) I have everything for this recommendation however i am not clear on the creation or procurement of Hydrides...your assistance would be very much appreciated.
If you would like me to send you some of the 1 kilo of food grade Calcium Hydride for your personal testing I would be very happy to forward some as a token of my appreciation for your time to my request.
07/03/2011: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Any metal hydride will work. Calcium hydride a pinch per gallon is fine. The neg hydrogen will last for an hour. You can make it last longer if you make it alkaline. Sodium borohydride the same, it goes to -600 mV in small container if it is alkaline water.
I don't know why you bother when there is a more stable source, and it's easy to find: gluthatione has negative millivolts, so do N Acetyl Cysteine, the same rule applies, in alkaline water. The cheapest is sodium ascorbate vitamin C.
"If IÂ may confirm with you, How much do you recommend to be added of the Sodium Borohydride in Alkaline glass of water and is it preferred to procure Sodium Borohydride is in liquid or powder form. Would a diluted Sodium Hydroxide or Magnesium Hydroxide serve well as an Alkaline water medium or do you recommend a safer approach? Should Citrates be added to maintain longer activity in the user once it is consumed? I was hoping to make a concentate batch that I can give to friends and family in need...does the relative hydrogen stay stable for later use or is it just in time type application.
Which metal hydride compounds(Magnesium Hydride, Silica Hydride, or possibly others) do you deem safe to add to Alkaline solution to create low ORP water for long term use and maintenance?
Minus Hydrogen Ion generating powder- Coral Calcium Hydride
The Calcium Hydride powder I was sent from Asia according to Specifications sheet is calcified seaweed Coral...it has been clinically tested to emit relative hydrogen for 8 days in liquid solution and 8 hours once consumed in the human body...your various Alkaline/low ORP designs have been validated with this patented variance called Coral Calcium Hydride only problem they sell it for $300-$400 a kilogram. You are still welcome to experiment with the material if you wish.
Here are some studies and links to the material:
Thanking you once again for your time and for sharing."
"You need to get an ORP meter. The negative or positive ORP is really like electrostatic charge in a liquid. It has limited useful life. Check a commercial Sterilox, used as antiseptic solution. The machines that produces alkaline water are not really alkaline, they are stored electrical charged in a water medium, and it's alkalinity effect lasts 24 hours. The basis of Kangen water is the same. The problem about these is THEY ARE NOT ALKALINE, the are briefly ALKALINE. The give off electrical charges, these negative electrical charges are the basis how plant grow. The sodium borohydride give off hydrogen gas, which is negative and you can lengthen the storage of this charges by magnesium hydroxide solution, or other alkaline medium. My favorite is sodium silicate. This is not taught in chemistry but is significant if we want to disinfect something that is non toxic, such as ulcerative colitis with it, but must add a little salt and a little bleach (see Sterilox). It is the basis of Nascent Iodine.Â My impression is you are interested in commercializing it.
Well it is not practical. You may consider a practical avenue, which is using Hydrogen gas stored in water, where they are preferably in plastic aluminum or plastic contained where you can sell it. They are already doing it that way in Japan. Just get a tank of hydrogen gas and water. That's the simplest way.
"Hi Ted and thanks for your follow-up. Unfortunately here in Canada it is very difficult to sell any natural supplements without a Health Canada license to be allowed to stay on shelf and to make a claim. The problem I see is folks like myself are hesitant to use unfamiliar ingredients and the procedures have many questions attached to them while conducting the actual process. I was able to find a link with photos on the Sodium Borohydride method you suggested that can make it less dainting to attempt yourself as for my family and friends and most folks we may need to perform the recipesÂ on their behalf because they are used to opening a bottle and take a pill and that's it.Â
....here is the link below I was referring ... do you recommend the addition of Magnesium/Potassium Citrates or Magnesium Hydroxide to retain the relative Hydrogen to their procedure or will Sodium Carbonate and Baking Soda suffice?
Negative 800 ORP Water for less than a Penny http://missionignition.net/bms/ORP_machine.php
I am assuming that Sterilox was offered as an example of the ionizer as it seems to be an oxidizing machine used to disinfect....is there a way to infuse hydrogen gas in water ourselves or is the only avenue purchasing a single serving for $4-$5 a pouch...and the issue is storage stability hrough transit even when triple alluminum bonded pouch is used for 2ppm infusion.
Â Also you mentioned in lieu of Magnesium Hydroxide one can use Sodium Silicate how much is needed to serve it's pupose...I have Hanna ORP meter and needed to know are there certain markers to be looking for when adding ingredients...this is where I am getting stuck everytime...
This forward is an intelligent doctor's belief and life work.
01/11/2011: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: His formulas worked because he adds 1/4 teaspoon of sea salt per drinking water. If there is no sea salt, it doesn't have the health benefit nearly as much. His old formula required 1/2 teaspoon of sea salt. I now used this as part of my regimen for most of my clients using the 1/4 teaspoon sea salt formula. When people get admitted to hospitals, it is that they use saline water. And do you know why? Most people have low sodium, high potassium and are dehydrated. Therefore, Dr. Batmanghelidj was right. However the title of water cure isn't exactly right. It's more like water and salt cure, which covers the issue of dehydration and electrolytes. Getting your pH balance, I believe is the third basic principle to simple health, which is water, salt and bicarbonates.
01/21/2011: Francisca from Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France replies: I have just read one of Dr. Batman's books on water (the updated one) and I have been following his advice of 1/4 of a teaspoon of sea salt for a liter of water. So far I haven't noticed any difference in my health but sometimes your health changes for the better without you noticing it. By the way, I was sad to find out that the doctor has died but if you need any additional information his secretary Kirsten is happy to help you as she worked with him for many years!
03/03/2011: Nora from Egypt replies: Hi Ted,
I have a question, why although I drink 10 glasses of water I still feel dehydrated? I feel that the water is not absorbed at all by my body. I tried to add baking soda to my water but I feel that it's dehydrating me more? Does adding sea salt make my water more absorbed by my body? I try to eat healthy food, I take ACV 3 times a day without BS because as I said I feel that it dehydrates me more, I take vit e , mag and zinc. I started juicing two month ago. I really appreciate your advice and your time.
09/30/2010: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: To answer your question, If I were to add h202 or sodium bicarb to my popular bottled water, would that bring the orp into the negative range where it should be. The answer is no, but adding baking soda and apple cider vinegar will. The ORP is -100 to -200 millivolts, is antioxidant. The simpler way, is an alkaline form of vitamin C, such as sodium ascorbate, but NOT ascorbic acid. R.O. water has no minerals, so adding 1/4 teaspoon per liter of water helps. ORP or alkalized water? It's really both. That's why the baking soda and vitamin C, or apple cider vinegar and baking soda. How much to add? I will try 2 tablespoon of apple cider vinegar plus 1/4 teaspoon to 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda. If sodium ascorbate, then just 1000 mg of sodium ascobate per one liter of drinking water. So no more free radicals in terms of ORP, but aging there is another cause.
Firstly, the cause of aging, based on mitochondrial enlargement, comes from the polyunsaturated and monunsaturated oils. They tend to cause a lot of cellular damage more so then the water itself. Fried foods and oily foods is the issue. I have seen a Thai who aged just as quickly as other Americans who has family members aged much slower who don't consume these canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, and other polyunsaturated oils. Hydrogenated oils and monounsaturated oils are the other ones. It seems the cells like medium chain triglyceride and the saturated oils, that I found exists mostly in coconut oil and to some extent lard. Yes 50 or 60 years ago we at the right kinds of oil and we age slower then. That's just part of the story. The mitochondria, the cell's energy center makes uses of that and help prevent them from deterioration. This can be easily proven in liver damage, technical name is liver steatosis. In autopsies for people who die from various reason it was found that only people who consume unsaturated fats don't harm the liver. Liver is like a supermarket. If it is closed for business all the organs starve, or if it is toxic, the organs become toxic.
As for getting a normal water, just add baking soda and vitamin C, or just baking soda and vinegar in some of those drinks. I have actually measured most commercial waters, including expensive ones. They all are oxidative, but especially for the water faucets, whenever they add chlorine and fluorine they are even worse. The ORP for ordinary tap water can vary, depending on the degree of fluoridation and chlorination. Most tap water, because of that, has an ORP of positive 300 to 500, while most bottled drinking water can be from 50 millivolts to 200 millivolts. I have as yet to find a mineral water bottle that has a negative value. However, there is one brand Thailand, made by the Japanese, where they pack them in aluminum plastic, called Negative Hydrogen water, which has a negative -150 to -250 upon opening the package, but must be quickly consumed within 5 minutes or the hydrogen goes away and quickly becomes neutral. What they did is simply bubbled the water or packed them in just hydrogen gas. It's a great way to make money, since you are just adding hydrogen gas and charging ten times the money for the water. However, we can easily do the same with just sodium ascorbate or just baking soda and apple cider vinegar.
I was looking at the different brands of spring water and noticed some have chloride. For example, Figi brand has 7-mg per 1-liter of water. New Zealand Eternal has no chloride. I know chloride is an ion made from chlorine plus one extra electron, and I have read that chlorine attacks our immune system.
Is the chloride healthy in the spring water?
05/18/2009: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: A salt is sodium chloride. In a typical water, it may contain sodium chloride, potassium chloride, magnesium chlorie, any chloride forms are relatively safe. The problems occurs when chlorine, where it produces free chlorine that is the problem. A typical dechlorinator, such as sodium thiosulfate will remove the free chlorine, but chlorides doesn't produce free chlorine, and is safe. Typically I may add drops of 10% sodium thiosulfate in drinking water and also help plants growth, especially germination of plants and flowering, where typical chlorinated water will tend to suppress both germination, flowering and growth. Free chlorine that is used in chlorination is like sodium hypochlorite, which produces free chlorine and tend to stunt plant growth even in trace amounts and its removal with a dechlorinator even in trace amounts seems to significantly help plant growth. I expect such use of chlorine may caused health problems and development of cells in general because of that observation. Therefore chlorides are safe, but not chlorination such as sodium hypochlorite, which are not found in nature, but man made used for sanitizing and disinfectants.
06/24/2008: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Usually carbonated water reduces bicarbonates level in the blood by degrading them down into water and CO2. Therefore drinking carbonated water reduces the body's bicarbonate levels. A carbonated water includes club soda and sparkling carbonated water. However taking baking soda regularly should not effect the blood acidity that much, but it does have an effect. Most of the problems of acidity I have found turns out to be aspartame hidden in many drinks, vitamins and medicine that required it to effervescent in water. These aspartame typically degrades into free methanol and formaldehyde and is detectable by conventional analysis, they kill or cause neurological damages that leads to acidity or metabolic acidosis.
However, the most common causes is that 90% of our food is acid forming anyway and this is why both sodium bicarbonate and potassium bicarbonate used together may be more helpful from a dietary perspective. As for me it is always the wheat product, vegetable oil uses and consuming too much wheat products, For many other people I have found mycotoxins, yeast products, yogurt (lactic acid), and fruits to cause a chronic metabolic acidosis especially previous exposure to moldy houses and moldy foods found in many processed foods.
12/07/2011: Ash from London, England, United Kingdom replies: Hi, I have been drinking ACV in Sparkling Mineral Water - widely available - as I find plain water with ACV hard to take. It contains 239/Lmg of bicarbonate and 445/L mg of sulphate, plus 34 mg/L and Fluoride 5mg/L - Is it safe to use this Sparkling Water? I am taking ACV and Salt for High Blood Pressure. Many thanks and God Bless, ash
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: The biggest problem I encountered came from high heavy metals such as lead, mercury, cadmium, copper, zinc that seems to leeched from old pipes. The second problem is the chlorination and fluoridation. Hence, heavy metals, chlorination and fluoridation should be removed. Removing chlorine is easy, I can't say much for fluoride, but heavy metals are reduce mostly (sometimes not acceptable) from using R.O. water, apparently a bad R.O. water can further introduce contamination if the chrome inside the filtering device are not smoothed, but very rough, increasing the surface area for metal contamination.
Distilled water, where remineralization by addition of sea salt and baking soda seems to be most viable solution that I can think of.
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: In a UK research years ago, concerning what factors bought about diabetes amongst children through looking at water supply. They found that the a water lacking in mineral magnesium and zinc, plus excess of copper were related to higher than average diabetes in children. Hence, an R.O. water remineralized with sea salt and some fulvic acid makes more sense at least the R.O. water does get rid of the metal to some extent. In a French research years ago, they found that life expectancy was shortened by a large degree from the drinking water supplies that were high in copper.
Hence, I would be serious about the introduction of any free metal contaminants, which might damage our body.
In one area of a city I have studied which was high in heavy metals, especially copper, I found in some cases, immunity problems exists, which inevitably lead to glandular related conditions such as thyroid (hypothyroidism), pancreatitis (which led to diabetes), overweight (from adrenal inflammation or exhaustion).
However, I would be much more concerned about the indiscriminate use of canned foods which is high in pseudoestrogens from the bisphenol and may be accumulative, leading to possible conditions of precocious puberty in girls, delayed puberty in boys, obesity in people (excess estrogen causes obesity, much as like taking "the pill"), for example. Nearly all canned foods today with plastic lining comes from the estrogen bisphenol A. Plastic wrappers and packaging are also has it too, but if the food is more acid, the breakdown to a pseudoestrogen are higher.
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: In very few instances that the body needs to detoxify of toxic substances, distilled water is used. You can also add the charcoal. The reason why the unneeded minerals are removed faster is that it is the free heavy metals that I am talking about. The organically bound minerals, which is required by the body are more difficult to remove.
The distilled water is only used for short-term such as one or two days, for treatment of allergies where the toxic allergens is unknown, and the suspect is the drinking water, or the need to remove certain excess substances not needed by the body out.
In general, I wouldn't drink distilled water. A good mineral water is generally better. I have tested that a general mineral water is at least superior to energized water, and magnetized water in bean sprouts growth experiments.
Ionized alkaline water depends on the pH and the mineral contents. Too high of a pH is not good anyway. The mineral contents tend to be a bit imbalanced favoring more left sided minerals on the periodic table, to be a bit higher, such as Magnesium calcium, boron, etc. The issue of alkaline water is a complicated one, since a good alkaline water also depends on how much bicarbonates it has. The problem about alkaline water is it depends on the source, and the source varies. Therefore the old fashioned way is either purchasing a good mineral bottled water, or make your own, by adding some sea salts and baking soda, being the simplest of all formula from a Reverse Osmosis water.
I have done tests on natural water, which has yet to revealed her secrets, which I have not fully understood. But the tiny amount of hydrogen gas, in a given water has a healing properties, and are found in large amounts in an alkaline water. Unfortunately, trace amounts of hydrogen gas (in parts per million) do not stay in the water very long, and must be drank immediately. Here is proof: i recently bought a water called Hydrogen water, which has high amounts of hydrogen. Upon opening the bottle in the first 1 minute, the ORP(Oxidation Reduction Potential) reading is a negative -400 millivolts. Within five minutes the reading dropped to only -200 millivolts. Within ten minutes it went lower still closer to -150 millivolts for example. But there's a catch, both baking soda mixed with ACV, and baking soda mixed with lime, or lemon has a steady -150 millivolts or more, and lasts for several hours at least. The antioxidant effect of this natural elements come usually from the vitamin C content and when it becomes alkaline, the sodium ascorbate acts like an antioxidant water, without the expensive machinery.
It is this hydrogen content that farmers really need to add in the water to accelerate their plant growth. Irrigation water a plant just won't grow without the natural rain. But i suspect a trace amounts of ozone or hydrogen peroxide and hydrogen gas is what is needed. When I say trace, I mean 1 drop of 3% hydrogen peroxide in a 20 liter water well stirred. Or a hydrogen gas bubbled with a stone bubbler you buy from the aquarium shops for only a couple of seconds. How and why this it works is that a precious rainwater contains trace amounts of ozone, hydrogen peroxide, hydrogen, and methylsulfonylmethane. I think this is the key to helping farmers increase their productivity. The secret is in the rain. Farmers have known this for centuries, and it is about time we try to at least imitate what nature has been trying to tell us.
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Dear Josh: Distilled water is not safe, it lacks bicarbonates and minerals and yes, it is acid forming to the body. Part of the reason why our body is acid is that it lacks enough bicarbonates necessary to neutralize the acid. If the minerals are lacking, the body is quite often deprived of mostly magnesium and calcium. In certain cases it is possible to re mineralized the water by adding enough fulvic acid to get a very light brown color and adding enough bicarbonates (from baking soda), as well as magnesium and calcium which is often rich in a good quality sea salt. The reason I mentioned this is even ordinary filtered water are also devoid in some ways of magnesium, bicarbonates and mineral during the filtration process, especially those people who use Reverse Osmosis water. In some cases some people had to use Reverse Osmosis water, with added sea salt, baking soda for example because of high free radical heavy metals present in our drinking water such as mercury, lead, copper, cadmium, etc.
Whenever the water lacks the proper bicarbonates to neutralize the water in a distilled water your body basically becomes acid. Long term acidity causes acid blood, which is like acid rain, causes the calcium from the bones to be leeched out and as a result, the tissues and organ have too much of calcium clogging the system.
Therefore distilled water is generally not recommended as a regular drinking water, since most of our body usually receives bicarbonates from the water we drink than from the food we eat.
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Dear Nina: Early gas masks in during the World War I was made of activated charcoal and they absorb toxic gas, which happens to be chlorine and mustard gas. Of course the antidote to them all is also sodium thiosulfate, the same chemicals you kill the chlorine that you buy from pet shops that sells aquarium fish tanks. They referred to as a dechlorinator and you can use it for treatment of your water as well. Most swimming pool suppliers sell sodium thiosulfate by the kilogram, but you only need a couple of drops per liter of 10% sodium thiosulfate solution to neutralize the chlorine too. Of course, simple activated charcoal will do it without that, but where I live, i always drink water with this sodium thiosulfate to detox my liver anyway and to reduce constipation.
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Nina: Boiling water will kill the bacteria, but what you boil with can add extra heavy metals and increase certain chemicals that don't get evaporated, but get more concentrated such as dioxin, fluoride, etc. The best way to do it is perhaps boil water using a glass or stainless steel kettle as opposed to using aluminum. I have seen aluminum buildup in water after boiling. Stainless steel doesn't have that much heavy metal increases compared to aluminum but boiling in a glass kettle is the best. Adding activated charcoal during the boiling is a cheap way of removing fluoride and other unwanted compounds.
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Distilled water does not leech minerals out of the body. This is an urban legend. The same is also true even if you take EDTA to get the heavy toxic metals out. Research shows that distilled water gets rid of free radical metals out of the body - the one that is not bound to any proteins. EDTA will not pull any metal out of any mineral bound protein either. This is also true of distilled water. What distilled water does do is it gets unneeded toxins out of the body. One problem remains, is that many brands of distilled water are not distilled water, if you read the find print or check directly with the company. Sometimes the fine print says, made from "filtered water". A distilled water is not filtered water, it is water that is boiled and the steam collected makes distilled water.
Again, if you have a toxic metal buildup such as cadmium, mercury and arsenic, you best course of action to find the source, is certain canned foods. Also, air pollution is another source of cadmium. The reason is simple, many years back when gasoline had lead, the desire to remove lead from gasoline, was replaced by cadmium. So today, the lead is very low, but cadmium is very high from car and truck emissions whenever gasoline is burned. Perhaps the source of toxic metal also comes from air pollution.
Your best source of action is to take chinese parsley (aka cilantro). There was a study that said that chinese parsley will completely remove free radical toxic metals within a course of 1 month. Of course the assumed dosages is probably 1/2 cup per day for 30 days. You can eat them with foods. I now use chinese parsley as a gold standard for removal of toxic metal. Even Japanese hospitals use it.
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: It should be noted that the tannins or tannic acid removes free metals from the body, and acts as metal chelators and is good in removing free radical metals. Hence, the addition of any sea salt might defeat its purpose.
As to the issue of whether remineralization of coffee, the answer is probably the same as coffee also contains some tannins which remove free metals from the body. Therefore in both cases, I would not prefer to add remineralization using sea salt into the coffee or tea. However, it should be noted that coffee or tea should always be taken in moderation should not exceed two cups per day. Excess taking can lead to other problems such as calcium oxalate (kidney stones) and theobromine, which reduces edema, but too much can cause dehydration.