Ted's Dog Mange Cure - Treatment for Demodectic and Sarcoptic Mange: Q&A
Last Modified on Jul 13, 2011
- RETURN TO MAIN SECTION
- Dog Mange Remedy
- Treating Puppies with Mange
- Dogs with Hot Spots and Skin Infections That Are Very Itchy
- Is Borax Safe for Cats? Help Needed for Chronic Sinus Infections
- Confused About All the Information on Mange
- How Safe Is Borax If Dog Licks or Ingests It?
- Dogs Have Had Mange, Now I Am Itching!
- Using Sodium Perborate Solution for Mange
- CAN TED'S REMEDY BE USED AS A PREVENTATIVE?
- Can Humans Get Mange?
- Hives After Borax Wash on Bull Dog
- WILL MANGE TREATMENT BLEACH A PUPPY'S FUR?
- Where to Find Borax in Thailand
- Is It Mange or Another Fungal Infection?
- Sodium Perborate Mixture
- Toxicity of Sodium Perberate
- Dissolving Borax in Peroxide
- Rid of Them for Good
- TED'S REMEDIES
- Amino Vitamins for Immune System
- Cat Treatment
- WILL TED'S MANGE TREATMENT WORK FOR HORSES?
- How Old Should Puppies Be?
07/13/2011: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Hydrogen peroxide 1% and add borax until it no longer dissolves and dip or apply the solution to the dog. It is not rinsed. The hydrogen peroxide sold in drug store is 3% it will do, add to parts water to get 1% and get borax to it. There is another method, but I don't think it works that will, it is coconut oil applied to the dog left overnight.
02/15/2012: Xstereostarrx from Pelion, South Carolina replies: No, coconut oil does not work, me and my pet were suffering from sarcoptic and all that did was make his mite bites taste like almond joys to him. I'm sooo trying the borax n h2o2.
06/17/2011: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Yes it is. Then on top of that you leave out to dry for 30 minutes.
Hope you are doing well and the latest events do not hurt you and yours. Unfortunately for all Thais peoples this events and what happens was not a very good solution. Just make in more complicate position the local economy, hope the actual government find the best for all Thais peoples. That my wish and from my family to.
Ted I have two question :
Have two Golden retriever and one local dog, that middle size dog around 8-9 kgs. Most of the time my dogs are with skin condition and most of the time they itch them very hard. They itch and bite them and they get hot spots, mostly with big damages and infections. I tried to fixÂ like this, make bath with HP and Borax,Â spray with ACV ( I wonder if the normal vinegar can work - the ACV to expensive here in Thailand) but the after spraying ACV+water, 3 part of water and 1 part ACV the dogs itch and bite and make worst the spot.
My small dog get worst and now have two big opening on the back - around 4-5 cm each.
I stop to use comercial shampoo but without big difference. Well when I stop to use comercial food I find some difference but still have this skin condition.Â
Actually I make the food like that, peas, carrots, brown rise, some chicken wings (raw)Â and some beef ( raw ) add. some garlic ACV and a pinch of Borax. Lastly the friend suggest me Peannacle Duck&Sweet Potato .
I stop to use the tap water for the dogs to, now I buy a filter and they drink the water we drink.
I am really in bad shape with this and tried to fix als this problems but with out big success. Al the time I go to see my vet I just regret afterward.
Ted if you can help, please help I wonder if there is not a place that we can find the TRUE VET some one who can help our pets and make them less suffer.
Hope you make quick and this message come to you
With very best regards,
Pierre - 31 may, Phuket
06/01/2010: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Pierre:
You don't need ACV a plain distilled vinegar would do also. The hydrogen peroxide and borax remedy is only used without the ACV, as the organic content of ACV would neutralize the hydrogen peroxide. There is another way, however, one of my favorite remedy for most skin problems is the tannic acid and DMSO solution. If I were to make a 100 cc of water, I would use 1 teaspoon of tannic acid plus 1/4 teaspoon of DMSO. The DMSO is a penetrant, a weak one, and is applied 4 or 5 times a day on the skin. The diseased skin condition should dry out and kill the hot spots in a few days. This is a newer updated remedy that seems to be working very well. The problem is obtaining the tannic acid. I acquired tannic acid from a local chemical supplier, usually it is produced in Germany. It works within a few minutes after application and the dog no longer get irritated.
06/02/2010: Merryanne from Orange City, Florida, Usa replies: I would like to add about the Hot Spots,,,if they are circles that itch,,,it could be ringworm,,that is a very bad fungus infection, and leaves scars on people and the hair might not grow back on animals, have had some experience with that this last year myself, and have the scars on my hands from petting a dog with HOT Spots the vet said.
I have been reading your posts on the Earth Clinic website, and was wondering if a Borax/water solution is safe to give cats? Two of my cats came from a breeder, and had a horrible upper respiratory infection at 12 weeks when we picked them up. They are now 2 years old, and still suffer constantly with a sinus infection. Initially, we tried antibiotics to rule out a bacterial infection, and was informed it could be a fungal infection. The vet wanted to subject one of them to a rather large probe up the nose to biopsy the sinus cavity.
I refuse to do this, and have tried a score of natural remedies to no avail. I've tried several homeopathic pills, apple cider vinegar to the back of the neck and in the water bowls, and recently goldenseal and echinacea in their water. The ACV does help the recurring virus, but not the sinus infection. Can you recommend anything? I am sure they both have an immunity problem, as my other two cats are perfectly fine.
Thanks for your help
04/06/2009: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: In most literature, borax in reasonable concentration (as in 1/8 teaspoon per liter of water for temporary use) is often safer in mammals then it is for insects, which is a stomach poison. A fungus generally exists when pH is 5 or below. That's why baking soda and potassium bicarbonate generally works by raising the pH and killing them. If a fungus is suspected, I may also consider vitamin C sodium ascorbate, since this is a known remedy I used for sinus infection as vitamin C has anti-fungal properties. A 10% ammonium bicarbonate or an ammonium chloride with some baking soda is used as an aerosol and if the mist is breathed in upon spraying in the air, will also kill the fungus directly. A water mixed with baking soda and potassium bicarbonate helps too. But I am getting too complicated here. Try something even simpler is best: in a drinking water add some sea salt large enough that the cats will not find them distasteful. The sinus will dry up and the fungus just dies. It works simply when the body has higher salt content, the sinus dries up killing them. And the dose is quite low. Sea salt is ideal because it's pH is 7.5 on the average, which is alkaline compared to table salt which is never to be used as pH is 5 and that supports fungus growth.
In human dose, I used just 1/2 teaspoon on 1/2 glass of water and it's gone in minutes. In a cat a similar concentration might be used as a temporary drinking water also. But sea salt is the only remedy that will work, never the common table salt. If the cat refuses to drink the water because the sea salt is too high, the concentration maybe reduced by 1/2 each time until they begin drinking. If the cat is still stubborn, then I will prepare a heavily washed sardines with high sea salt concentration. That may do the trick. One or two meals may reduce the sinus problem in practice or perhaps I am simply being lucky.
03/21/2011: Steven from San Jose, Ca replies: my dog has similar problem and the 1st vet said it was a food allergy and the 2nd vet we went to said its due to weed killers that are sprayed on the grass they walk on which makes alot of sense, vet said to avoid letting them walk on grass that has been sprayed hope this helps
03/22/2011: Diamond from Salisbury, Ma.usa replies: You may want to try giving your pet(s) vitimin & mineral mix;all animals need to have a vitimin called Taurine, it also has calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, iron, manganese and methionine, thiamine, riboflavin niacin, pantothenic acid, pyrodoxine and cobalamin. I bought this great item in a whole food store as well, because I decided to change pet foods to pure organic food(home grown)My pets are worth it. Also I give my pets fish oil from caplets, just snip off the tip and put it on top of pet food, they love it, and it helps build up their immune system.......
I am going to blend another message in with this to save on posting too many messages.
Three months ago I found a little kitten wandering around after a huge snow storm, I picked her/him up; the kitten settled in willingly where it was warm, I took it home to find it was a female, maybe a wee bit older than a kitten but she was so thin and dirty, full of fleas and scabs from biting at her skin, her ears were dirty, I gave her a nice rich cat food meal she didn't seem to care what treatments I gave her while she was eating, then I proceeded to use a paper towel with a little dish liquid & water to wash her back down to her tail where she was infested with fleas and sores from her biting the area's, I then waited until she finished eating and she dried quickly where I washed her back & tail then brushed her fluffy fur out to a nice shine. I had to continue her treatments on her back as well as sneak in a pro-biotic in her cat food, she has an upper respiratory infection/virus so for me it's an on going thing, she continues to lap & groom herself where she gets a huge amount of fur balls in her tummy then vomits them up where she then feels sick because of it. But hopefully all will turn out in her healthy favor. She does look and feel 100% better most times, I can tell she is better when she gets into things she is not allowed to do. I wish every one loads of luck. Good luck
07/12/2011: Diamond from Salisbury, Usa replies: I FOUND THAT YES BORAX AND PEROXIDE IS SAFE FOR CATS, I HAVE BEEN USING IT NOW FOR THE PAST EIGHT MONTHS, WITH TWO WEEKS REST PERIOD ACCORDING TO CATS CONDITION. BUT IN RESPONSE TO MY OTHER MESSAGE HERE, MY KITTEN IS GETTING BIGGER BUT SHE STILL HAS A SEVERE CASE OF MANGE. I JUST CANNOT SEEM TO GET RID OF IT ON HER TAIL, I EVEN SHAVED HER TAIL AS HER FUR WAS LONG AND FAIRLY THICK. I WAS READING ON THE WEB THAT THESE MITES ATTACK MOST COMPROMISED HUMANS AND ANIMALS, THAT WOULD BE MYSELF AND MY KITTEN. MY KITTEN ALSO HAS AN UPPER RESPIRATORY INFECTION, I DO GIVE HER SEA SALT IN HER WATER AND SHE LIKES IT VERY MUCH, ALSO IN THE SUPER, SUPER MARKET BASKET THE RICHEST BRAND CAT FOOD NEEDED FOR THESE ILLNESSES I GET PAUL NEWMAN'S CAT FOOD WHICH HAS SEA SALT IN IT AS WELL AS TAURINE AND MANY OTHER VITS. MY KITTEN HAS GAINED MUCH WEIGHT AND KEEPING IT ON;WHERE AS CATS WITH UPPER RESP. PROBLEMS DON'T HOLD WEIGHT LONG. NOW I AM WONDERING WHAT DO I DO NOW FOR THIS MANGE? SHOULD I CALL MY OWN DOC. AND ASK FOR A SCRIPT. FOR QUELL? THAT OR I WILL HAVE TO USE SOME LOTION FOR HEAD LICE AND WRAP HER WHOLE TAIL UP AS SHE CONTINUES TO LAP IT. SO WHICH WOULD BE BEST? I'M AT A LOSS RIGHT NOW. I JUST STERILIZED THE WHOLE HOUSE AND WASHED TWO DOGS CATS AND HUSBAND AN SELF - PHEW LOL WHATS NEXT? CLUELESS
HERE IS A WEBSITE I CHECKED OUT ON UPPER RESPIRATORY INFECTIONS.
Very confusing!Â Especially when one tries to read through theÂ reactions/questions of those who've tried it.Â A concern needs to be followed immediately by a response.Â I've spent an hour now, scanning, and trying to piece together the various aspects of using this borax-H2O2 solution.Â The basic formula/best method of application/ancillary treatment-action (cleaning dog bed etcetera), and supporting treatments such as diet.
Whoa!Â I'm exhausted and I still don't have a clear, beginning to end, piece of information to use!Â My part German Shepherd watchdog and pal G'Ali, is a wreck.Â Wispy fur, blackened, blistered skin with raw patches.Â It's winter now and he's an outside dog, so I have no way to shampoo him until warmer weather.Â We did give him a couple of treatments (spraying till he was soaked) with the basic borax solution, seemed to help...but now, except for his paws, which thankfully are still "healed," he's back where he was last summer.Â Warm weather, back to the shampoo with formula, burn his house and contents and try to find something here in China to sanitize the yard around it.
Retro Richard in Qingdao, China
01/27/2009: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: The basic mange remedy is simple: a saturated borax in a hydrogen peroxide 1% solution and dissolved them and use this as a bath/or a dip is fine. No rinsing. The frequency of bath is ideally once a day. Other people may do it more frequently such as 4 x a day, which is too frequent and causes dry skin, and hair loss. On the other hand, once a week was the original remedy since that mange was a mild one, so it won't work for the serious cases. Young puppies, or even older dogs the formula and safety is about the same. The dogs bathe continues until the condition is gone and we may continue to do this a little longer to make sure all the mange are dead. Mange eggs and mange may exist on the premises and this may cause reinfection. So disinfection of premises with this solution or one aq carpet may require a different strategies. A carpet might require borax solution or powder and thorough vacuuming. A dog may run outside and may get reinfected in the premises. These are some of the problems during the healing process. Some are not even mange at all so a different strategy are tried. Skin problem may also be encountered from improper use or improper mix, or calculations of mix. The remedy is the safest that I know of, although there are other remedies but they are more toxic to dogs.
09/13/2009: Nikki from Cadet, Mo replies: How do you rid a yard of the mange mites? We have a golden retriever that stays outside and we have no idea how he was infected with mange. I heard that they can get mange from laying on outdoor patio cushios insde their doghouses. Is this true? I am NOT going to do it again...but just trying to figure out where they are coming from. ANY help is appreciated...I am going tomorrow to buy the borax...we are on our second round of Ivermectin and have been fighting this for almost a year. Thank you and God bless you for all of your help TED! I want my beautiful dog back!!!!!!!
01/18/2009: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: A 5 kilogram dog has to consume 2000 x 5 = 10000 mg of borax to have a toxicity. It's an equivalent to a small chocolate bar full of pure borax. Since the solution is dissolved and powdery borax remains on the dog without rinsing, the amount is not even close to a small chocolate bar of borax for the dog to consume just through licking.
08/11/2009: Marla from Kaplan, Louisiana, Usa replies: My 20 month old lab was just dx with Red Mange. He has always had some type of skin rash/problem. In the past the vets have told me it wad dandriff - & I have seen it on him in some cases. But now he has red mange around his face and legs. I'm worried about the solution getting in his eyes. What will happen if the solution should get in his eyes? How toxic is it?
07/23/2011: Diamond from Salisbury, Usa replies: I use tripple antibiotic on the dogs or cats eye lids and the lower underneath eye lashes it protects eyes from getting any solution's in the eyes.
First off thank you so much for the website.Â Today was my first day finding it.Â The reason for my search is because my dogs have/had mange.Â The vet has finally found what the problem is and they are getting shots (2 in total).Â I have seen progress with my first dog and my second is on track as well.Â My question to you is that I am itching SO bad that I dont know what to do.Â My vet kept asking me if I had started itching and I didnt until the very next day after the appointment.Â My dogs are not allowed on beds and couches at my home and only on leather couches at my b-friends.Â I am desperate for a cure and am willing to try anything natural.Â Will the borax and ACV work?Â Isnt borax toxic to people?
Thanks SO much!
01/15/2009: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Recently mange on dogs has become infected in humans. The remedy is still the same if it came from dogs, which is basically 1% hydrogen peroxide with a saturated solution of borax. Other formulations work, although not as good as the peroxide and borax formula that I am aware of. Other remedies that is seen as effective turns out to be toxic to dogs, but borax and peroxide has the least problems. It's commonly applied as often as possible, but its effect in people is it is drying to the skin after application. Which is the point necessary to dry the mange eggs and cause dehydration in demodectic mites.
12/14/2008: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: When I first used to see a cure of the mange, I only used sodium perborate, without the hydrogen peroxide. It worked well for me. However, the sodium perborate can be added hydrogen peroxide or a borax with hydrogen peroxide 1% may also be a stronger solution nevertheless. Therefore, I think it's safe to say if I want the mange killed, I might go for the 1% whether it's with borax or sodium perborate. A sodium perborate has a peroxide attached to the borax, so it makes for a compact form of hydrogen peroxide, albeit a weak one. Therefore to be on the safe side, a 1% hydrogen peroxide can be added to sodium perborate or borax.
and if yes how often and at what puppy age can i use it? thank you
11/12/2008: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: A borax and hydrogen peroxide remedy can be used to take baths on a dog regularly. In event of a mange it is best to take bath everyday. Without the mange the remedy can be used just like a shampoo. Only in this case, you shampoo first, rinse, then follow this with a borax and hydrogen peroxide 1%. However, 1% may cause the fur in some dogs to be orange if the hair is black. In this case the solution is lowered to below 1% to about 0.5% to 0.75% concentration which will not effect the color of the hair.
10/15/2008: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Yes some people do contract mange, for some reason or another. The remedy is still the same. The use of saturated borax in hydrogen peroxide 1%. It is applied several times a day. The skin tends to smell like rotting fresh the same as a dog.
The most painful and irritating was when mange happens in the groin area where the area smells really foul and sticky. In which case there's an additional skin infection, which appears to be a staphylococcus, which may be an opportunistic infection from the mange. While I really have no way of understanding how humans catch them, their bites may have released other forms of bacteria also, so it may not be directly be a demodectic mange, but appears to manifest themself as lupus or Morgellon's disease. In other cases the people report crawly things on their skin and some doctors think they are crazy and put on psychiatric drugs. Of course the skin condition went away, and the person was worse off with mental function effecting their jobs.
The difference in treatment of humans and dogs is humans don't have fur like a dog, so the borax and hydrogen peroxide had to to be applied several of times a day, as opposed to a dog which ideally is once a day, without rinsing.
The other thing is the opportunistic infections such as staphylococcus, sometimes becoming MRSA, especially if a person is already bedridden. Wounds can open up large enough sometimes to see the internal organs, much like ebola, although MRSA conitnues to be localized and doesn't spread as quick. People do die by the hundreds just from simple MRSA and doctor's use of standard antibiotics, which are already resistant anyway.
A very simple remedy I tesed or actually cured, at least from my own experience is the application of a 5-25% Magnesium hydroxide solution, or a simpler milk of magnesia available in most drug stores, often sold as laxatives.
Some countries don't have that and sell them only as Magnesium Hydroxide. This kills all MRSA that I know of, but then, I am only living in Bangkok and haven't visited other countries such as UK or U.S., so I have no idea of it's effectiveness. However it is soothing despite it's pH of 10, but it's the magnesium and the pH that kills staphyloccus quickly.
If the condition manifests itself as lupus or Morgellon's after a mange attack (even if the person got rid of the mange with the borax and peroxide), then it becomes the use of 1/4 teaspoon of borax in one liter of water plus 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda in a glass ofÂ water twice a day, to discourage their growth. The skin can really get bad where the pus just streams with open wounds, so the borax and baking soda were critical in reversing the condition. I haven't quite yet modified the remedy to perfection since person who did get it, was just happy with that and can live with it.
08/12/2009: Tishenag from Swainsboro, Ga replies: The human version of mange is called scabies. It can be rid of by simply washing in bleach.
12/26/2011: David from Dublin, Co. Dublin, Ireland replies: Ted is absolutely correct that humans can develop demodectic mange. Every human on the planet hosts a small population of demodex follicularis and demodex brevis mites. The first inhabits hair follicles and the second lives in sebaceous glands.
They are normally confined to eyelashes, eybrows and areas around the eyes as well as the external ear canals although they CAN be found elsewhere on the body. This population is low enough not to cause us any bother and is kept in check by our immune systems.
What happens in human infestations is that the immune system becomes so damaged it can no longer control them and they can now migrate to other areas of the body to populate follicles and sebaceous glands.
Besides disease, the things that will damage your immune system are prolonged severe stress, lack of sleep, and a bad diet. I managed to combine all three of these at the same time over a period of three years.
This condition is called demodicosis and first manifests on the head. Normally, a good doctor/dermatologist who takes proper skin specimens will detect this before it has a chance to spread beyond the scalp, face, and neck. However, the medical treatment for it is quite laborious and involves multiple visits to the dermatologist in addition to daily prescribed home treatments.
However, if you get a less-than-conscientious dermatologist, he or she will more than likely diagnose delusional parasitosis and treat you long-term with an anti-psychotic drug which has vile and dangerous (and sometimes permanent) side effects. Meanwhile, the demodex takeover is not affected in the slightest and continues until the entire body, from head to foot, is compromised. This is called generalised demodicosis and normally only occurs in furred mammals.
The really astonishing thing is that dermatologists don't appear to believe that humans can contract generalised demodicosis and consequently classify it also as delusional parasitosis. So you're in a no-win situation with conventional medicine. (Dermatology has its head up its own butt and likes it that way because mite problems are just not sexy).
What I've just described has happened to me over the past two and a half years. Over that time, nothing has helped - not Lyclear Dermal Cream, Derbac M, Kleen Green enzyme cleaner, nor diatomaceous earth. The ONLY thing that has helped enormously is Ted's borax water/baking soda remedy. For which I am profoundly grateful to him.
I went through 13 days of this internal treatment (with stupendous results - tickle numbers dropped from 1,000-2,000 daily to less than 100 the first day). Then I injured my stomach lining with food-grade hydrogen peroxide due to my own stupidity and negligent research - I didn't know that my multivitamins contained iron, manganese, copper, and Vitamin C in a slow-release formulation. Plus, the baking soda element of Ted's Remedy acts as a powerful antacid.
All this meant that there were still unknown amounts of these compounds still in my stomach the next morning when I ingested the HP. HP reacts with these (as well as fats) to create dangerous free radicals which can severely injure your stomach lining. To top it off, I also absentmindedly ate a clementine. Immediately, my moderate nausea and pain became like an atom bomb going off in my stomach and I've been nauseous and in pain ever since. This seems to be dampening down now, thankfully.
As a result, I could no longer sip the borax water because it ramped up the nausea severely. After four days, my demodex were making a resurgence that was stopping me from falling asleep.
In desperation, I tried Ted's external solution two nights ago (1% hydrogen peroxide saturated with borax powder) and it also worked astonishingly well. However, Ted says above that humans should do the treatment several times a day. I simply can't do this because my super-sensitive skin rebels against even daily showers. I've always only been able to tolerate weekly showers, even with Simple Soap.
So, like for a dog, I'm going to do this once every second day. I still get tickles, but they're considerably reduced in number. When my stomach heals completely, I'll go back on the internal borax water as well as continue the external treatment every week. But I'll leave out the baking soda element and the slow-release multivitamins so I can also restart the oral hydrogen peroxide.
By the way, it's not clear whether the borax powder that's left on the skin when you've dried is an important component in the treatment. I've been doing this late at night, then going straight to bed with the dried powder all over me. But I'd prefer to do it in the morning, then get dressed for the day. Obviously, this will rub the residual powder off.
Anyone know if this is OK?
Ted also says it's advisable to treat the skin with natural oil (especially lavender oil) to counteract the severe drying effect of the external borax. My own experience tells me that demodex mites love oil - even neem oil - and thrive in it. After all, most of their sustenance is got by eating our sebaceous oil. Also, lavender oil is only available in Ireland as an essential oil for aroma-therapy, and this is not advisable to use neat on skin.
Anyone know a good OTC non-oil based skin emollient with which I can combine the lavender oil and what proportions I should use?
Take care and stay well.
Aside: all my posts here seem to be as long as "War and Peace. " Sorry about that!
01/02/2012: Martin from Banbridge, Ireland replies: I heard that (hemp oil THC) and I stress not hemp seed oil can cure all sorts of skin problems including skin cancer... try looking up Rick Simpson's hemp oil cure on you tube..... Please can anyone give me advice on peritoneal cancer and lung cancer, I have tried to get hemp oil and understand the problems surrounding it which can hinder you from acquiring it!! And the best way to get it is to grow your own plant but I don't have that time as it takes six weeks or so... Can anyone tell me where I can get it asap?
01/12/2012: David from Dublin, Co. Dublin, Ireland replies: @Martin from Banbridge, Ireland:
I'm sorry I can't help you with hemp oil information but for cancer you should consider hydrogen peroxide therapy. Here are some interesting links for you:
(Download the free PDF book from the website above for details and regimens for oral use, plus information on how some US doctors and hospitals are using it intravenously and intra-arterially as well as in other ways to successfully treat cancers and other serious diseases - a list of doctors with contact information is provided in the appendix.
Please note that the oral route is not generally recommended as a primary treatment for cancers. Intravenous administration by a doctor trained in this therapy is by far the most efficacious route. However, I very much doubt you will find a doctor in Ireland or the UK who is either trained or even prepared to do this.
(A list of cancer-related products, including food-grade hydrogen peroxide, you may wish to research and buy).
(Oral food-grade hydrogen peroxide must be taken on an empty stomach and the food intake timing information provided here is not correct - as the PDF and other hydrogen websites state, you must consume it orally one hour or longer before food, and at least three hours after eating. You should also never take timed-release medications or supplements, or any antacids, including baking soda, while using it.
Hydrogen peroxide reacts with Vitamin C, iron, manganese, copper, silver, and fats to create dangerous free radicals that may cause severe damage to the lining of your stomach. I know this to be true because it happened to me.
Fortunately, I don't believe I did too much damage and am now almost completely healed. But when using hydrogen peroxide yourself, you MUST be extremely careful and adhere to a strict timetable. You must also know in advance exactly what you're putting into your body and adjust your diet accordingly:
Vitamins in food: http://www.healthalternatives2000.com/vitamins-nutrition-chart.html
Minerals in food: http://www.healthalternatives2000.com/minerals-nutrition-chart.html
I hope this is of some help.
But once again, I must stress that for cancers, infusions performed by a trained doctor are the way to go when your life is on the line. Travelling to the US for treatment will cost you, but you can always make more money - you cannot make more time.
I wish you the very best of luck in dealing with your problems. As fellow Irishman Dave Allen used to say, may your God go with you.
07/06/2008: Sam from West Palm Beach, Florida replies: My rescued puppy has demo mange with redness around the top of her head and neck and splotches elsewere. After her first (and only) treatment, she also broke out in something like hives and was actally bleeding from the neck. She's not shown anything like this since I've had her. PLEASE ...Does anyone have any feedback?
07/09/2008: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: A hive reaction may occur if the concentration of Hydrogen peroxide 3% was only mixed without the use of water. Either that or borax was not fully dissolved. The concentration of hydrogen peroxide should be 1% concentration or less and borax should be well dissolved followed by application of the solution without rinse. If the solution was rinsed, the mange will spread causing the redness. On the other hand if borax wasn't dissolve in the solution well, it won't kill the red mange. Borax is what kills the mange, and if it is not well dissolve the mange spreads further. Secondly, the solution had to be applied everyday, without rinse. Excessive concentration of Hydrogen peroxide beyond 1% may also cause skin irritation. The only problem I see about problems with borax is that the borax source didn't come from a detergent type use (10 mule team borax), but came from a borax used for metal work, which are generally contaminated, this appears unlikely, but I have noted that there is a problem borax used in metal found and sold in Eastern Europe.
A 1% concentration of hydrogen peroxide is 1/2 cup peroxide 3% plus 1 cup of water should get a 1% solution plus the borax well dissolved or well stirred. It takes about 15 minutes for the borax to properly dissolved, and they do dissolve much slower in colder weather so a lukewarm water is preferable. If the peroxide found contains too many stabilizers it might cause problem, although it is unlikely since it is used for external use only.
Therefore I would try a 1% concentration hydrogen peroxide (with water diluting this) with borax well dissolved, then apply on the dog without any rinse. Borax won't cause hives unless the mange has spread and the borax was not properly dissolved or that after application the dog was rinsed after application, which would have defeat its purpose. Therefore I won't rinse after application, followed by a daily application.
06/24/2008: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Dear Becky: In a borax added to a 1% hydrogen peroxide remedy for mange, it will cause the fur to become orange after a couple of applications. The effect is not permanent, as new hair will grow to replace them, but it won't cause the fur to be white as 1% H2O2 is not strong enough. However, if some people do not desire the slight orange tinge on the hair, then another weaker formulation, between 0.5% for example won't cause this discoloring issue, but its effectiveness in mange is also reduced with the lower concentration.
I feel terrible because someone gave me some vetinary solution for the skin problem and it doesn't seem to be getting better, it's getting worse. I have another dog that doesn't have it; does this mean it may be something else, because I thought mange was super contagious?
Â thank you.... Janie
06/04/2008: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Mange is somewhat contagious, especially during the rainy season, but not super contagious. In Bangkok I buy hydrogen peroxide from a chemical supplier that is a chemical grade 50% from Vittayasom on Rajdamnern Road. Then i have to dilute them myself. Borax can easily be obtained B.P. grade also from the same place, or other competing chemical supplier in that same area.
Initially we took him to the first vet we found who treated him for four months and administered close to 30 injections, antibiotics, creams, medicated shampoos, etc etc....all to no effect.Â Sometimes the infection would lessen and then crop up again. We asked around and began to hear quite unfavourable reports about this particular vet so we dumped him immediately and sought the help of a second one who is treating him right now.Â He has tried everything possible on him and most of it has been mild.Â
The old wounds are healing but new ones appear in the same places and also in new areas on his skin.Â There is itching and he has lost a lot of his fur which makes him look very sick and miserable.Â Reading all the comments on your website I think it might be mange.Â Not sure though....the vet suggested a hypoallergic diet but its difficult to get it in my hometown.Â Right now we have stopped all medicines.Â As per the Vets instructions we bathe him once a fortnight with a medicated shampoo leaving it on for 15 mins on his body before rinsing off.Â He also has a dose of 'Glossy Coat' syrup every day and again every day we apply the skin cream 'Spectrazole' all over his raw patches.Â Initially the skin is red sometimes bleeding slightly, later it turns black and flaky.Â I've even tried neem oil but gave up cos it smells so strong.Â It's almost a year since he got the infection and we are really desperate for some remedy that works.Â Btw his diet consists of Ragi and milk in the morning, a couple of rotis for lunch or Pedigree cornflakes and a full meal of chicken and rice at night.
I'm all for trying your hydrogen peroxide and borax method.Â Will try to pick it up at the pharmacy tomorrow (hope they have it).Â Could you please give me the EXACT dosage to be used on Caesar.Â He is fully grown at 4 years, must be weighing close to 100 kgs. I understand it has to be applied on his skin making sure all of his skin is covered and we are not supposed to rinse afterwards.Â Am I right?
Before I sign off, let me tell you Ted that ur truly amazing to take the time out to help scores of people who are committed to keeping their pets healthy.Â I am truly grateful to you for posting all that information on Earth Clinic and hope to hear from you very soon.Â May God bless you for your selfless work.
I am sending you a few of caesars pics. I hope u will be able to tell if its mange or any other fungal infection
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: It doesn't matter the weight for the dog as the key factor is always the concentration of the borax in hydrogen peroxide. Usually its between 2-4 tablespoon of borax in 1% hydrogen peroxide per liter of water. The borax need not be precise, it is always saturated amount of borax until it no longer dissolves itself. This has helped most of the conditions of mange. Neem oil I have tested it myself, it is too weak to work. The critical point is that the dog should be bathed everyday preferably for about a week before twice a week and once a week needed to reduce the mange. The mange is often evident by the smell as you noted after applying neem. To further kill the mange from the inside out, perhaps a 1/8 teaspoon of borax per liter of drinking water is given helps. Usually whenever the dog's immunity iis down to give dogs some partially cooked chicken and liver are the best. I used whole chickens
08/16/2011: Bill from Los Angeles, Ca replies: Your measurements are confusing!!! I don't understand what does a 1000 cc of water mean? What does 1% liter of water mean?
Please in U. S. Measurements... How much plan water? How much borax? How much peroxide?
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Sodium perborate toxicity is about that as of a salt. The concentration I used is about 2 tablespoonful of it in one liter of water. A sodium perborate has many names, such as sodium perborate hydrate. Usually it dissolves slowly and require some stirring, and the adding of it for external use is about that amount and applied to the dog before the thing becomes a precipitates. Cakes tend to form, but nicely if it is stuck on the dog's fur, it's effect on killing the mange will continue. Some hydrogen peroxide added can further helped too but it is one of my original formulas i still used for the dogs and I am still using it
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: The dosage amount for sodium perborate or sodium perborate hydrate is two tablespoon per liter of water, well stirred. It can then be applied on a dog. Although people might use larger amounts say 4 liter or 6 liters, the calculations is done by just multipling the two tablespoons by 4 if you want to mixed a 4 liter one which is about 8 tablespoons well stirred. This is then used to apply the dog. Stirring is required to avoid the precipitate forming on the bottom of the bottle or pail so that it sticks some to the dog's fur to have further effect that is longer in killing off the mange.
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Dear Bill: Nothing wrong. This is done correctly. You keep it stirred to prevent cakes from forming and poured on the dog. Some cakes maybe stuck on the dog and I allow them so the cakes will continue to kill or at least prevent reinfection. Therefore please stir much like a cement mixer before pouring on the dog, where the bottom side I used the hand to allow the solution to reach or dipping on the dog. I prefer to pour on the dog. The most important areas that is problematic is the leg, bottom area, and the bottom throat area, ears, and the face. For the area of the face and the ear area the solution need not be stired that much since I won't like borax cakes to form on the dog's face, as it blocks their vision. Most skin problems are handled with the peroxide and borax, quite well even with mites, fleas too, not just the mange condition. There will be problems that does happen when mites, fleas, ticks form a large hive and continuously reinfect the dog that requires the dog quarantined in a clean environment that is a common problem I have encountered. This also required a stronger application using 3% H2O2 and borax in the premises to kill off the hives that seems to exist for a long time.
Sometimes I see fleas, mites and ticks lined up running into the house on the unsuspecting sleeping dogs. Domestic dog has a real problem compared to stray dogs because it allows time for these insects to travel and reinfect. Hence, spraying the premises over wide area and the lawns especially will help. For minor skin allergies and rashes, milk of magnesia works quite well and sometimes I used that, but dog's habitual licking at the area may lead to loose stool, but it is a good detox for the dog sometimes.
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Make sure the premises, house, lawn, and other floor areas of the house are sufficiently sterilized by cleaning the areas with borax in 3% H2O2. Most of the mange seems to be coming from the lawn and it is quite common of reinfection if the premises is not regularly sterilized, such as weekly.
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: A mange formula if it is a fungus was not exactly designed for that purpose so the solution is weak, however a mange should ideally be applied everyday, and no rinsing. A mange formula can be adapted to be a 1.5% concentration of H2O2 maximum in case the original 1% mange didn't work that well.
A baking soda 1/2 teaspoon added per liter of drinking water might help some of the pH problem and the fungus. An ammonium chloride solution 10-20%, applied to the dog may help, or an ammonium carbonate 10% solution is also anti-fungal. Those seem to be the easiest to find and safest to use for general use, however, this is not exactly a strong solution, but it works nevertheless.
A stronger solution is a 1% or 2% concentration of copper chloride applied to the dog may be more effective, and if the solution is too weak it can be increased up to 5% for topical application, wait for a couple of minutes, then rinse would be just fine, but most people prefer not to rinse it. The problem about these formula is relatively difficult to find. Hence another antifungal solution might be better using a 3% concentration of H2O2 mixed in equal parts with a plain distilled vinegar and applied to the dog. This is rather a strong one, easier to find, and is also antifungal in properties too.
A solution 10% tannic acid applied to the dog's area where it itches may also help in case other treatment were unresponsive. There is no way I can tell whether the dog has fungus, or mange or some other bacterial infection, but assuming it is a staph or bacterial infection, then a milk of magnesia no rinse is applied topically, and this should usually kill it. A dog may have a bad habit to lick this solution and may result in watery stools, hence, it should be applied in the area as needed, and if at all possible a cone placed on the dog's head to prevent them from licking the milk of magnesia (well shaken, no aluminum compounds).
As the dog gets older, the difficulty of treatment becomes more as the dog's immune system is lowered. Hence, a powdered multivitamins one tablet mixed into his food given once or twice are usually enough to help raise some of that problem. Finally if the dog's immunity is the problem (autoimmunity), where borax are unresponsive, than a lugol's solution of iodine or a colorless iodine be applied.
In my own observation all of the above remedy works fairly well with the itching and all the above remedy are antifungal in nature, with the exception of milk of magnesia, which rids the bacteria causing the problem.
Hopefully this helps!
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Most of the allergies of the dog will be reduced by adding a 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda in a liter of drinking water.
A good supplements to further reduce the allergy is the magnesium citrate added to the drinking water at 300 mg.
Giving the dog a bath with the usual borax and peroxide remedy should resolve the red mange, however it is the baking soda that should reduce most of the allergies, but this will take a couple of weeks of baking soda added to the drinking water with some magnesium added (for only 4 day out of 7)
As to the amino acid supplements. those are quite difficult to overdose in practice, but in my experience, giving a dog 4 days out of 7, would not cause much of an overdose. I am assuming the amino acid supplements for a 10 pound dog is between 200-2000 mg so this should have little effect on the dog.
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Deborah: The borax/peroxide remedy I have tested are safe for pets in general. If the condition is a mild one, applying a very wet towel should do it, at least for cats.
01/08/2011: Mitesbites from Hilo, Hi replies: Has anyone tested this on their cats and if so what did you do and did it get rid of the mange? I am thinking about buying one of those cat cones you place around the neck to keep them from biting or licking themselves. Â Appreciate any tips or info. Thanks
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: Dear Kay: There were a couple of human case of a mange after receiving it from a horse and it worked, so if it worked too. So since it works on dogs and humans, it will probably worked on horses. Do not try apple cider vinegar. The organic components of apple cider vinegar will neutralize the antibacterial effects of the peroxide, before it gets a chance to kill the harmful bacteria. Only hydrogen peroxide and borax solution. The concentration 1% is a standard solution with saturated borax. This causes the least skin irritation while harming the mites. Since horses are larger, the frequency of dose is doubled, such as twice a day, or at least once a day. No rinsing. So this may be the most discouraging part of the treatment. Disinfect the horse stables with borax and hydrogen peroxide solution is important. However in case of the solution be used for disinfection the peroxide solution for cleaning anyway should at least be doubled to 2%. Reinfection is a much more common the larger the animal, such as a horse. If at all possible for disinfection add a 2% epsom salt to it to kill other bacterial agents to. In case the horses accidentally eat them, it will cause them to be more resistant to bacteria. If the open sores are quite large - and they tend to be the larger the animal, and it does not close up after even with this remedy, then a honey and iodine solution applied to the open wound (add iodine enough for light brown or medium brown solution) and protect it with some cotton gauze. This remedy's been done since the Egyptian times, but without the iodine.
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: From my own experience, if the puppies can run and play at that age would be sufficient, so a couple of months would be an ideal age. I don't see problems in using the dog mange on young puppies if they are mobile enough, but it cannot be used if they are a couple of weeks old. The biggest problem I encountered are not the young puppies, but very very old dogs with mange(about 15 years and up) where their immune system are much suppressed, and their skin problems get inflammed all the time and get mange easily because of immune supression. In which case a dietary changes are in order, with bicarbonates, some sea salts, magnesium, and iodine. I suspect one of the reasons why dog age quicker and recovery rate is slower from the mange is their carnosine levels are lower. Some studies indicate longevity of all animals are well correlated to carnosine levels in the muscles. So perhaps for old dogs, carnosine might be something that can help recovery, but more experimenting is needed.
08/18/2011: Shelby from Upland, Ca replies: Good nutrition can help a dog win the battle for his skin back to health. Check out the products and or get your own stuff online that can help your dogs skin at vitality science for dogs! Should include: enzymes, probiotics, omega 3, vitamins, minerals and good water. A dog cannot live on chicken and rice and maintain good health.
02/05/2012: Andrea from Boyne Island, Australia replies: Ted, you are absolutely amazing, the borax/hydrogen peroxide is working a treat, but can you tell me why it is so successful with demodectic mange?