Replied by Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe on 10/15/2010

As with any supplement that is good for you but gives you side effects, back off to a smaller amount.

Replied by Pam from Marlborough, Ct on 10/16/2010

Didn't take boron for a day after thinking it gave me heartburn. Then gave it another try. I have taken it two days, no heartburn. Hands are steadily improving, can't believe it.

Replied by Carly from Seattle, Wa Usa on 10/18/2010

I am so glad to hear this Pam! Your heartburn may have been a coincidence... I had been hoping you would give the Boron another try. After all of the web searching I did on it, and how my hands feel - I am sold on taking Boron. (along with the VCO and ACV with BS). Thanks so much for posting your update - I am so happy it is working for you! ~Carly

Replied by Pam from Marlborough, Ct, Usa on 10/19/2010

I was feeling better, but today I got of bed feeling stiff again. My hands hurt but not as bad as before, I hope this is just temporary, what are the other things you are taking, I haven't tried ACV yet, But I have been taking extra B vitamins together. Thanks Pam

Replied by Carly from Seattle, Wa Usa on 10/19/2010

Hi Pam - It sounds like you are having success with the boron. :-) Don't let one bad day get you down. If you think back on what you did the day (or even two days) prior, you may find you over did it because your hands were feeling better! That is what I tend to do anyway... Go hell bent for leather on the days I am feeling great, and maybe have a rebound due to it. (I have fibromyalgia as well - which is a whole different ball of fun).

Okay, so since you asked - here is what I take every day. Everything I take I learned on Earth Clinic, and if you search the site for the different remedies you will see how others use these things, as there are many ways to take ACV, VCO, etc... Every Morning before I eat I take 2 tablesppons of Apple Cidar Vinegar (ACV) and add 1/2 TEAspoon of baking soda. When it is completely done fizzing I add about 8 ounces of water and then top it off with a splash of Orange juice. (just for flavor, and a little potassium). It is really good tasting to me. Later in the morning I have my ONE cup of coffee for the day. To the coffee I add 2 tablespoons of VCO (virgin coconut oil). Do not ever START at this amount... You have to work your way up to the VCO or you will have a herxheimer effect or stomach issues. I cook with it too, but in general don't use much oil overall. Anyway, back to that one cup of coffee... To the VCO I add 1/4 TEAspoon of turmeric. I was taking more, and it is AWESOME for inflamation, but it started to give me an upest stomach so I have cut back on it. If I could tolerate it, I would use more. You have to keep stirring it as you drink it though, as the oil floats on the top, and the turmeric settles on the bottom. This is an aquired taste. I like it now, but it was pretty gross at first. Then, throughout the day I use one of those 32 ounce sport bottles and to spring water (NON chlorinated, NO flouride - ie NOT tap water) water I add one ounce of Fulvic Acid and one packet of Emergen-C. Then througout the day I will take at least three more of the Emergen-C packets in water. This gives me 4,000mg of vitamin C and does not upset my digestive system. The Fulvic Acid provides trace amounts of a TON of minerals and has no taste at all to me when taken with the vitamin c. Other supplements I take daily are Magnesium Citrate - 400mg, B-100 complex, Boron - 3mg, Vitamin D - 2,000mg (twice a day), and maybe a 3mg melatonin at bedtime to sleep well. I don't take Calcium at all any more, after reading what Ted said about it on here. I try to eat a banana and tomato juice daily for potassium. Having low potassium can really cause problems. I have been doing all of the above for about a year now (except the Fulvic Acid - I started that this Summer, and the Boron which was just about a month or so ago that I started). I am not in perfect health mind you... But I am VERY much improved over how I felt a year ago.

Like I said - everything I have mentioned is here to read about on Earth Clinic, or out on the web. The more I read, the more I want to know. Lol. Sorry for writing a book, and I am sure I left something out - but for joint pain that Boron is STILL amazing me... I may have a day here or there with a bit of stiffness, but not the feeling of having had my hands slammed in a door like I had before. For the most part my hands are pain free! I am a 50 (in a couple of months anyway) year old woman, of average height and weight. My issues (challenges?) are Fibromyalgia, Joint Pain, Arthritis, An Upper Back "Thing", Ovarian Cysts, Fibroids. All of the above for 20 years, and all are improved. I don't spend full days in bed any more like I used to at least once a month.

Scattered thoughts, but if you are going to add any new things to your regime, I would only start one thing at a time, and start slowly.... Read, read, read about how others have gone about it before jumping off the diving board and you will not be sorry. :)

Best to you! Carly

Replied by Pam from Marlborough, Ct on 10/20/2010

Carly, Thanks for getting back to me. I had a bad day yesterday, and you are right I was doing extra cleaning the day before, because my hands were feeling better. I took a Aleve last night, which I don't do often as it bothers my stomach. But today my hands are feeling much better, and I don't even need anything for pain. I am 58 and the only problems I have had are high blood pressure for about 5 years, inherited. My father had it bad and his mother too. So when I take anything new I watch to see if it helps, or hurts. I am on medicine for it, which I don't know if I will be able to get off ever. If I eat right and try not to stress, my pressure is pretty good. I noticed that the B vitimans have helped that also. The Tumeric hasn't bothered my stomach so I might try to increase that slowly. Thanks for everything. I am so glad I found this place, I am even starting to see my knuckles again as the swelling is going down. Thanks again Pam

Replied by Carly from Seattle, Wa Usa on 10/20/2010

Hi Pam -
Glad to hear you are doing so well, and it was possibly just overdoing it that gave you a bad day or two. I am wondering now though - you say you are on meds for high BP... Did the knuckle swelling come on at the same time as you started taking the BP medicine? My mom had tremendous leg swelling after starting "Boniva" (not BP medicine, but just an example of what some drugs can do). Anyway, just a thought. I tend to have lower than normal blood pressure. I didn't start taking my BP until after I had been taking the ACV / Baking Soda for a few months though, so I am not sure if that is why. I believe I have always been fairly normal in that area, but have read where people have said the ACV lowers BP - so you might want to look into that and maybe give it a whirl. I wish that the tumeric didnt bother my stomach - lucky you! I really LIKE the taste of it now, and wish I could go for a second cup of coffee with it every day. Lol. Good luck to you, thanks for posting back - and please keep posting with your progress! :-) Carly

Replied by Pam from Marlborough, Ct, Usa on 10/21/2010

Hi Carly, I have been on bp pills for about five years, and when I started having problems with my hands I went to the same doctor, he gave me prednizon, don't think thats spelled right, pills to take for a week, and said it was probably from over use, as I had a barn flood when we got all that rain in April, and me and my husband had to shovel a lot of wet bedding. Well they helped for a week, and that was it. I called him back and told him, and he said he had no answer to go to a specialist. He never mentioned he thought it might be from the pills. I am taking Cardizem and HcTZ 25mg once a day.

The past two nights though, my heart is beating faster than it usually does, so I am not taking the tumeric today or the boron, and am going to see if it changes, since that wasn't happening before. When I was just taking the B vitamins my heartbeat was nice and slow at night. I can usually tell when my bp is up without taking it. Then if I worry it goes up more. Well I will let know what happens, it may not be the tumeric or boron, just something I ate. Pam

Replied by Robyn241 from New Plymouth, New Zealand on 07/26/2011

Regarding the fast heartbeats, get CALM Magnesium, it works for me, the liquid Calcium to get is Angstrom minerals Calcium. Both are available on US websites where I get it.

Replied by Manuel from Mexico on 05/21/2017

2000 milligrams of Vitamin D ... wow that is a total humungous overdose.

I hope you mean 2000 International Units... Google how many IU are in a gram of Vitamin D and it will blow your mind ... 40 million!

If you are taking that as pure Vit. D stop immediately ... if it is diluted then maybe OK but 4000 IU to 8000 IU is fine and tolerable.

Replied by John from Michigan on 11/15/2017

Most vitamin D3 comes in 2000,5000, and 10,000 IU's or International Units and I am sure they that is what they meant not milligrams. That said I have taken up to 25,000IU's for years at a time and I am still deficient according to lab test's. I am hoping that the Boron will resolve my "Non-Responder" status to D3 supplementation. Doses as high as 150,000IU's have been used in the treatment of many systemic issues. I beleive their is a book on this very topic something like "Vitamin D3 Miracle" The key to keeping the D3 from being toxic at high does is K2 supplementation. In the USA you can only buy K2 in tiny microgram does around 250 micrograms but in Japan you can get K2 supplements in 50 milligram dose thats right not micrograms 50 milligrams. Same thing for sodium and iodine intake. When looking at vitamins and minerals with relationship to dose the USA and Western Europe are terrible sources for information. I do not know of anyone though that sells D3 which really is not a vitamin by the mg it is always IU's. For the record 1IU of D3=.025mcg of D3 so you would have to take a huge amount to get even 1mg of D3 let alone 1000mg, 3000mg etc! Sadly few countries have done much in the way of using nutrition and herbs for the treatment of serious disease. Often the therapeutic dose is far higher than the minimum recommendation by governing bodies!

• Vitamin A: 1 IU is the biological equivalent of 0.3 mcg retinol, or of 0.6 mcg beta-carotene
• Vitamin C: 1 IU is 50 mcg L-ascorbic acid
• Vitamin D: 1 IU is the biological equivalent of 0.025 mcg cholecalciferol or ergocalciferol
• Vitamin E: 1 IU is the biological equivalent of about 0.67 mg d-alpha-tocopherol, or 0.9 mg of dl-alpha-tocopherol

John

Replied by Robert Henry from Ten Mile , Tn on 11/16/2017

JOHN,,,,,,, you have done the EC folks a good service by relating that hi doses of Vitamin D 3 must be accompanied with K2 so the calcium goes to the bone and not the blood vessels. Our Anti-aging doctor has never explained that to us and that is the reason you must research yourself regardless of the doctor's resume. I just wish I could have a do-over on life. Can't change much when in the twilight zone.

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Replied by Wanda from TX on 10/20/2021

I’m thinking your fast heartbeat isn’t caused by your vitamin B because vitamin B complex will usually calm you. I’m thinking it’s your BP medication. Also, get rid of your table salt and buy pink salt or Celtic salt. Put a small dash of pink salt in your magnesium and drink in water. You can make a great electrolyte drink with magnesium, pink salt and trace minerals. Dr Carolyn Dean has some great products. I use her Remag liquid, Remyte liquid and put both in a liter of water with a pinch of pink salt and lemon and drink daily. It’s actually really good.

Replied by Katzie from Calgary on 11/13/2021

That is ridiculous! Our bodies make wat than that naturally! During 30mins in the Oslo, Norway midday sun, people were naturally making 10,000 to 20,000 IU of Vit D. Geesch. Check ur facts, man.

Replied by Katzie from Calgary on 11/13/2021

That is ridiculous! Our bodies make way more than that naturally! During 30mins in the Oslo, Norway midday sun, people were naturally making 10,000 to 20,000 IU of Vit D. Geesch. Check ur facts, man.

Replied by Tracy R. from Central Valley, California on 12/01/2021

Regarding B Vitamins, everyone responds differently to things. I can't handle them at all as Vitamins! When trying something new, it helps to just do that one item, so you know that any reactions belong to it.

Replied by dan brown from cali on 04/30/2024

d-3 is a hormone. research. it makes you feel good but stopping starts to hurt the body. d-3 is synthetic. avoid. get sun, fish oil...

D-3 IS USED AS RAT KILLER

Replied by Jo from Europe on 05/02/2024

There is the fantasy that D3 is rat poison again. That is a myth perpetrated by people who have no understanding of science, chemistry or reality.

Yes the best form of vitamins is from foods and naturally acquired. But supplemental D3 has dozens of studies that prove it is not-first of all rat poison, and second, is vital in the health of individuals. It is an essential vitamin especially in northern climates during the winter months. Supplementation is vital.

Such things as Warfarin, is a prescription given by doctors for people with clotting issues, and that indeed is used in rodent control as well. Is it toxic to humans? In large doses sure. (Also do not trust the med establishment at all). You must remember that what is toxic to you may be nothing to me. I eat peanuts and love them. You may eat 1 and die. Does that mean they are toxic to humans? Many substances throughout the world are toxic to dogs but not humans. Calciferol and cholecalciferol or activated Vit d are different. Vit D is also toxic to dogs and cats, so does that mean its toxic to humans?

Don't just believe the first search on Google. Dig into NIH publications, Harvard or Berkley science papers to get large population studies and their results before making a blanket statement like d3 is poison!