Last Modified on Oct 07, 2015
Genital warts are a common sexually transmitted infection that is caused by the human papillomavirus (HPV). The HPV virus affects the tissues of the genitalia. Warts can appear too small to be visible, but appearance can range from small, flesh-colored bumps, to large with a cauliflower-like appearance. Not all strains of HPV will cause genital warts, but some forms of the HPV virus can additionally cause cervical cancer, so it's an STD of substantial concern. HPV is spread through sexual contact, but usually the immune system kills and prevents HPV from developing signs and symptoms.
Warts can occur on the vulva, the walls of the vagina, the anus, the cervix, and in the area around the external genitalia in women; it can also occur on the tip or shaft of the penis, the scrotum, or on the anus in men. Genital warts can also grow in the mouth or throat after oral sexual contact with an infected area. Other symptoms of genital warts are gray swellings in the genital area, itching and discomfort, and bleeding with intercourse.
Find a Natural Remedy for Genital Warts
On Earth Clinic, we have over twenty pages of user submitted home remedies for genital warts. Some of our most popular cures are apple cider vinegar alone or used with garlic or aspirin, and a banana peel wart cure; while others have also recommended carrot juice, colloidal silver, MMS, and tea tree oil to kill the HPV virus. Let us know what you try from Earth Clinic's library of cures to treat genital warts. Know of a remedy not yet listed here? Don’t hesitate to share your experience with us!
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HPV or Human Papilloma Virus belongs to a group of viruses that affect the skin and mucous membranes of human beings. It can be easily spread by skin to skin contact. The common treatment for this virus has not been found yet and it is not possible to get rid of the virus completely. The aim of treatment is to improve the immune system of the individual. Curing hpv, also called human papilloma virus or venereal wart, can only be achieved through strengthening the body's resistant system.
Person suffering from the disease should maintain a healthy lifestyle. To live clean and strengthen immune system are very important. Living with HPV is much easier if you have a healthy body. This prevents the warts from recurring. Intake of vegetables especially Cruciferous vegetables which includes cabbage, brussels sprouts, kale, broccoli and citrus fruits should be increased with minimizing intake of sugars, caffine and refined foods. Herbs such as Echinacea, Phyllanthus emblica, Hyperisince Mysorense are known to boost immunity. Most plants of the Hypericum family have also been studied to have anti-viral effects.
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Does anyone have experience trying to use apple cider vinegar (or white vinegar) with a case of warts as massive as the following? I am scheduled for surgery in 14 days, but the warts are growing so fast right now that in 7 days they have gone from being an invisible cauliflower-like mass inside the anus to a cookie-sized mass jutting outside of the rectum, stuck between the utt checks visibly and threatening to keep growing beyond the confines of the cheeks next. My surgeon and doctor have refused to shrink the mass in between my colonoscopy (which fortunately showed no cancer inside anywhere) and the surgery in two weeks, and said it's too large for topical medicines, etc. I was only diagnosed in August, immediately scheduled the earliest possible laser treatment, and have been unable to get laser treatments more frequently than two weeks apart, which has proved to be enough time for the wart mass to regain all of the size it lost from
Laser treatment 14 days prior. That's why they recommended the surgery (which from what I read online could have an INTENSELY painful "recovery" period afterwards and that the warts will likely return, though treatments thereafter may be easier as they'll be smaller. I am petrified of this period if I can't get maintenance/treatments more frequently than two weeks or more apart while they speed-expand (assuming that continues post-surgery. ). I tried the vinegar last night just with the hope of keeping them from becoming a tail outside my butt. So far it's not clear to me anything has happened but it's very hard to see back there. Looks like the tip may be a little white, and I'm not even sure the mass hasn't grown again since last night. Hard to say. My doctor has recently seen cases even worse than mine--the day before laddering mine she had treated someone with a mass that extended all the way to the testacles, and she was unshackled an unperturbed by the size when she first saw me in August. (She works in a clinic that sees a lot of rectal and hpv-related conditions, though the focus is on HIV there and I am negative for HIV, am otherwise very healthy, got the warts from a long term monogamous partner who I'm no longer with for three years. ) Should I keep up with the burn of the vinegar or follow my doctors advice and let it become a painful bloody life threatening tail before a surgery that could produce months of even greater pain at least while passing bm? Who has treated internal masses this way? Anyone?
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Vaginal warts and acv
i just want to inform all young women of the internal anatomy of the inside of the vagina.....the first few inches should feel rough or lumpy....this is because the vagina stretches. so if you are freaking out about this stop.....go do a doctor and get it inspected first....pass on the harsh acv treatments that could be hurting you internally. i too thought i had tons of warts inside of me when i was normal. i did some research and found out the the vagina has folds in it that appear to feel rough.
hope this helps you young girls calm down a bit.
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While I'm thankful for this apple cider vinegar at-home treatment (while looking up common warts) and seeing that there are some success rates with it in the comfort of your own home, I hope anyone reading these posts sees a doctor, especially females and regardless if the warts were removed or not via this method. I also hope those of you seeing all of these make sure to get the facts on the GW/HPV virus.
I've had GW/HPV (human papilloma virus) since I was 15, and am now well into my 30s. I understand you all are embarrassed to see a doctor about this, but trust me...they've seen it a bazillion times before, as millions of people have it or have had it, many without even being aware of it.
FACT: Removal of the wart does not cure you of the virus. There is no cure! Can it go away? Studies now show that body may be able to cure it on its own, but only time and proper testing (PAPs for women) can tell.
FACT: Just because the wart is not present, does not mean you do not have the virus still and aren't likely spreading it to your partner(s), and they, in turn, aren't spreading it back to you and whomever else they end up with. Be responsible and tell your partners.
FACT: Just because a wart is removed or goes away on its own, which it can, does not mean that it won't come back. Chances are it will.
FACT: There are several types/strands of HPV--some that cause GW, but also ones that can cause cervical cancer. You may even have more than one strand that you aren't aware of, which may not even effect you (guys) but your partner. Again, be responsible with yourself and your partners. Wear a condom, though this is not a straight way to prevent from spreading the virus, but helps and you can help prevent reoccurring outbreaks.Is it embarrassing to tell people? Yes, but they will respect you for it and I've not had any problems over it.
FACT: Anyone can carry the HPV virus and, again, not show signs ever of even having it or, as some have claimed before more outbreaks, thinking they have a blemish or ingrown hair. Some men, for instance, may never show signs of having it and there are no tests for men to see if they have it, short of out breaks.
FACT: GW/HPV can lie dormant for years and show signs later on. Always be safe.
FACT: Embarrassed? You're not alone! More than 50% of sexually-active people carry this virus/infection, and it is the most commonly transmitted virus in the United States.
I hate to nag, but I really think people need to do their research and not just rely on home remedies and ignorance, as this is what causes the billions of outbreaks out there of the HPV virus to the point where it's at. Yes, billions. This is your health, your body, take care of it and know what you're dealing with, as well as those around you.
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Reading some previous posts, I would like to give some friendly advice. I work in the medical field so I have spoken to a few doctors about the HPV & many are suprised that ACV worked! But I also had many questions answered too! Just so I could be clear on how to deal with genital warts.
So, here goes:
1.) You CAN NOT spread the warts to other areas of your body. If it is the genital strain, its stays there. You also can not usually spread to your mouth as that is yet another strain of HPV. So, for those people worring about that, relax! I see that many people put the ACV on their mouths & were freaked that they saw little white bumps, but be aware, as when they test you using vinegar, even a regular bump can turn white. Also, the small pores around & right inside your mouth are sensitive, they will react to the vinegar, so don't automatically assume you have warts there. Get checked!
2.) Many people say they treated the warts without seeing a doctor. Please get checked. Yes, it is an embarassment. But some of the strains cause cancer. Not just in women, with cervical cancer. But men can also get rectal cancer. So, for your own safety, see a doctor. Just remember, that just because, there are no warts, does not mean there is nothing else going on with your body.
3.) Shaving will NOT spread the warts unless you cut yourself, so just shave carefully & you will be fine. Also, even if you do cut your self or get razor burn, cleance the area & keep using the Tea Tree oil after shaving. This will kill any germs, stop infection & any new spread of warts.
4.) For those people freaking out & using lysol on their pants. Going to extreme measures to kill anything that might be on them or their clothes. CALM DOWN, the stress and worry is not helping. Yes, be hygienic, be clean, but don't crazy trying to kill what isn't even there. Regular washing of clothes, bedding & whatnot is good enough to kill germs.
5.) Also, SHOWER SOAPS & GELS, DO NOT SPREAD WARTS. Don't believe averything that you read. This was one of the questions I had about the warts. And 3 different doctors from my work, confirmed that it is NOT TRUE. The spead from cuts & spread of the virus that causes it. Another reason you should speak to your doctor, have all your questions ready & ask! Get the right information.
I was just wanted to bring those points up so that maybe some others can relieve a little of their stress dealing with HPV. I would also say that if ACV doesn't work right away, don't give up! Give it time & soon you could be wart free & on the way to recovery. I wish you all the best.
EC: Thank you for clarifying. We removed the post with misinformation.
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Ok so I've had HPV for 6 months, both outside and inside my vag, as well as my asshole. I will explain in detail how I got rid of it (mostly inside since I didn't find too much info on it so had to come up with my own way of doing things). Ok symptoms, weird discharge and something bumped up on right below my vag, so I did the Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) test, I soaked a cotton pad and put it in the area for an hour... and holy shit there were no less than 50 little bumps that came up. I FREAKED out. Researched and researched some more. First thing I did was quit smoking. This pest appeared after severe heart break, horrible eating habits, drinking and smoking.Plan of attack was to first take care of the outside area and then the inside. So I went to the grocery store got regular ACV, vitamin E gel tablets, and aspirin. made a paste of 3 crushed aspiring 1 vitamin E gel cap and enough ACV to make it into a nice paste and put it in all affected areas then put a long piece of cotton on it and then sort of tight full underwear to keep everything in place then to sleep, it burns but it calms down after a few minutes. During the day I would put the paste on again if I could, and if it wasn't possible I would break a vitamin e tablet and spread it around the area and then a panty liner.by the 3rd day everything was starting to scab and by the 4th all the scabs were falling off. woohooo super happy. Then it was time to attack inside here it took months of trial and error. The way I finally beat it was I started taking folic acid pills 10 mg in the morning and 10mg at night, then started eating plain yogurt, it was helping the strange discharge but it wasn't that much better, then I got brave and this is when everything finally worked. I got a nasal aspirator put half the content tap water and half ACV I layed on my shoulders and with my feet planted down lifted my hips, and put the content in my vag and held it in for an hour 3 times a day. By the 3rd day the bumps in my vagina were gone, but the odor and discharge weren't fully so then in the shower I used the nasal aspirator and put half hydrogen peroxide and half regular tap water, while standing I squirted it inside my vag and held on to the liquid for 2 or 3 minutes and then let it all out. By the time I got out of the shower it seemed a lot better, and then I put yogurt in my vag and went to sleep. The next morning I showered and got all the yogurt out. At night everything smelled and looked back to normal. I deuched with hydrogen peroxide and water every other day and then less and less, and whenever I felt like there was any odor or change of discharge I did the hydrogen peroxide. I know you feel like the world is coming to an end... but its not. You'll get better if you believe in what you're doing, do your research and slowly find your way. Any questions I am here to help :)
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[YEA] I recently found a cluster of "skin" tags right where the "taint" area is and it looked like a step ladder to my anus area. The skin was white and it just disgusted me. I hadn't been careful (stupid me) and I have an idea of who gave me this "gift".
I knew what I had was either herpes, or warts, but when I did research it didn't sound like herpes at all. True it wasn't as bad as the HPV pics I saw, but I knew that I had to have that. Well I don't know how I got here but I found this site this weekend, and figured hell I have organic ACV. So I've started.
When I'm home I soak cotton balls in Apple Cider Vinegar and apply directly to the spot, I can't use a band aid because they area they are is weird. But I clench that area closed tight for at least an hour.
Right now it's burning. But I can take it. During the day I use a asprin, ACV, vit E, and an essential oil and make a past apply to the area and go to work. You can't smell the mix, but I can bare dealing with it all day.
Just after one day I was able to take a bath wash the area and 2 warts have dislodged themselves already. I have about 4-6 more. I'm hoping that in 2 weeks everything will be gone.
Please try it! I didn't think it would work for me, but it is!!!
[BETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS] Hello everyone. I contracted GW from my X boyfriend and they scared the life out of me, but not all hope is lost. ACV on its own does help alot, most of my warts fell off, but now, there seems to be more, little ones though and one big one. I recently started the paste method (aspirin, vitamin e & ACV). It stings like a bee sting btwn my butt cheeks. The big one has been discharging a yellow liquid, and bleeding, is this normal at all?
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[YEA] Hi there. I couldn't wait to get to my computer this morning. Last week I discovered to my horror (having never had an STD before!) that I had genital "that w word"...ok I'll say it...warts! I'm learning this is fairly common, but the negative stigma is hard to overcome, and the emotional upset is real.
This weekend I tried the crushed aspirin (325mg), ACV and Vit E oil paste with VERY good results. Into the crushed aspirin I dropped in a little ACV at a time until it turns into a nice pasty paste, not too runny. Then add about a TBSP of Vit e oil. I applied it twice on Saturday, and once on Sunday for 30 minutes at a time. On Saturday, inbetween paste treatments, I used a cotton ball to dab on a mixture of Elderberry and Green Tea extract (30 drops each). This also burned like hell, but the burning does subside after a six or so minutes. For the 30minute segments of each treatment (not fun!!), I would try to lie down and stay still, breathe deeply, watch TV... or meditate on the fact that the burning is a good thing...removing those warts!
I've read many of the comments on here...and I think people who are suffering with pain and horrible sores after the treatment, are leaving it on for too long! I was also very raw after the first paste treatment, but I took care of the area diligently with two drops of Tea Tree Oil in a little water (dab it on with rolled some toilet paper, or large cotton ball), followed by a healthy dose of Vit E oil. My round hand held mirror became my best friend!! After the ACV paste treatments, the warts will turn white and it's quite shocking to see how many there actually are! Don't be afraid because the whiteness also means they got dosed with vinegar which is a good thing! During the day, esp after "potty" time, I'd clean up with a little Hydrogen Peroxide, and then the Vit E oil. Don't over do the Tea Tree Oil.
Today is Monday. I feel like a new woman this morning. I feel consideraby better, both physically and mentally. And for the first time in a long time, I feel "normal" down there! (Some of the areas are still red and a little raw, but the swelling and itch has gone away!) Thanks to all of you for the advice and open sharing on this site. I'm a professional woman, with good habits...this can happen to anyone, there's no shame in any of it!! Don't wait til things get bad. Stay on it. There's hope. Trust and believe.
I also plan to see my doctor, for a pap smear and check up. (But I'm not sure I'll be taking any prescription meds at this time).
Oh, and I've also started taking a multi vitamin, Vit C, Echinacea, 40 drops of Olive Leaf extract (3xdaily) (blech tasting). The Olive Leaf is a good antiviral. This is all to boost the immune system.
I only have one remaining issue... and that's the discharge. I'm not sure if there's anything one can do to combat that???? Anyone?
[YEA] I am a nurse, and I just found out I have GW from HPV. I went to the doctor and I was prescribed a topical acid. First of all, that with insurance cost me 130 dollars, and I damn near passed out. But, I wanted the GW gone and probably would have paid anything. I began the treatment as directed. It burns and it is imperative not to get any on the healthy skin, which is difficult and adds to the anxiety of the whole thing. After a month and a half, it had worked-but it wasn't all gone. After reading on this site about ACV, I thought I really can't go wrong-I've waited over a month, been in pain for a while. I went to the store and got the following: vitamin E oil, pure tea tree oil, 325 mg aspirin and apple cider vinegar.
Make a paste with the ACV and aspirin. I had eyeballed it to make the right consistency. Add a few drops of vitamin E to the mix with a dropper. Apply it to the area and leave it on for a half hour and try it twice a day. You can apply tea tree oil all day if you want-it has penetrating power and the best part: takes away pain!!
I did the other treatment for a month and a half, and the result was sorta better-for 130 dollars.
I did the ACV treatment 3 times, and the area is COMPLETELY CLEAR after 3 treatments-for 10 dollars.
This doesn't harm healthy skin, and there's hardly any uncomfortable moments. I didn't think it would work, I admit. I was wrong, way wrong! I can't wait to go to the doctor in 2 days-he'll tell me that the treatment worked, and I get to say, "I have a confession...it was ACV!" I'm sure the look on his face will be priceless!
Hang in there all, there IS hope!! :)
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[YEA] I am a female in the process of exterminating warts from my genitalia. I currently am using vinegar, aspirin, garlic, and lime juice, and tampons. I saturate 2 tampons with vinegar and insert them at night time, I take 2 aspirin, and chew a clove of garlic and down a tablespoon of lime juice. The garlic is for my immune system, I also take omega 3; multivitamins; probiotics; and calcium with magnesium for "healing". "" because I am not 100 percent sure of if the calcium is working to help with the process or not.. I just know that it is for all muscle contraction.. Today, after 5 days of annihilation I am seeing black spots (you need a mirror to check this). Black spots are a good sign. I am going to see my GYN tomorrow, so wish me luck. HPV has been dormant in my body for many years as I have regular paps and nothing came up as abnormal until I was in my 20's and looking back to my last sexual partner it adds up that it has been there for a while. I have had visual warts for 2 and a half years.. My body has not cleared the warts on its own, and Frankly, seeing black spots after 5 days is a definite positive for me. Note, I suggest to start this remedy on a friday or weekend so you can dose the warts with vinegar for 48-74 hours. Also, if you have had a wart on your hand or foot you will recognize the rough, irritating feeling as the skin rubs inside so I wear a tampon without vinegar to reduce noticing the dead cells inside. Yuck I know but that is the price I am paying for these host needing vermin.
This remedy is not comfortable but it becomes less uncomfortable after a few days, an aspirin for pain and for the salicylic properties is all for the purpose of numbing pain and treatment. Also, I do this at night and during the day on weekends.
[YEA] I just want to say ACV + aspirin works!!!
God bless the person who first posted it, and thank you thank you thank you!!!
I found some genital warts at my labia, and was frantic to get them off! I tried ACV, tea tree, castor oil to no effect and finally did a mixture of a teaspoon of Apple Cider Vinegar and about 5 dispersible low dose aspirins. I dabbed the mixture onto a small piece of cotton and placed it on the wart, thn covered it with a bigger piece of cotton soaked in castor oil and tea tree oil.. Left it overnight. It stung a bit, but it's quite bearable, like an itch
The next day the wart had swelled up with little pointy white peaks... I repeated the treatment and on the second day the wart was a bit sore, slightly swollen and seems to have flattened out a bit, on the 4th day of the treatment... The wart had turned white and was sore/itchy...on the 5th day, as I was washing down there I gently pinched the wart between my fingers (no nails) to try to see if any white bits would flake off.. And to my great shock and delight the entire wart just came off!
I am so happy! I'm repeating the treatment a few more days just to ensure all the wart cells are removed!
Bless you again!
This is more of a question I suppose and hopefully someone will have some advice. Three months ago I noticed a couple bumps down there. I knew they were genital warts. I was diagnosed with HPV years ago just never had an outbreak. I'm trying to stay as positive as I possibly can... When I first found out I had them my aunt (who had one before and got it burned off and it never returned) made me feel extremely better. Went to the doctor, had the small cluster burned off and left thinking that I'll never have to deal with it again. I started taking multi vitamins and red algae supplements to boost my metabolism. Well, they're back and worse than before. They have moved from the opening of my vagina to my butt... How embarrassing. I tried for a couple days the Apple Cider Vinegar treatment because immediately after I had the warts burnt off I felt a bump and the Apple Cider Vinegar really irritated my skin since well I just had it burned off. I noticed this paste I could make... Question is, mine is a little thick and kind of clumps when I apply. Is this normal or should I make it more "liquidy" ? I hope this works I've been trying my best to take care of my body... Eating healthier, exercising more, taking vitamins which I've now added c vitamin (all together taking one multi vitamin, c vitamin, and the red algae)... Please help. I want to get back to dating and I feel like I never will with this.....
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[YEA] I was devastated when I found out I had genital warts, just three small ones on the vaginal opening. I felt dirty and ashamed, even though I do not sleep around. I came across this site yesterday and was reading about the paste that people were using. I decided to give it a try last night. I ground up 4 aspirins, a teaspoon of castor oil, and a few drops of apple cider vinegar. I painted the paste on to the three warts with an ear cotton bud, and went to sleep. This morning they had completely turned white, and even when I showered, they stayed the same. Anyway I went to work, and later in the day went for a pee, and on the tissue was a couple of bits of wart!!! I was soooooo happy.
Then this evening, I decided to get the mirror and look to see what was going on, well, I couldn't believe my eyes, two warts were gone, and the last one was hanging off too!!! So now, I am a little swollen, but the skin looks normal again.
I am so very happy to have found this site, and I wanted to let you all know, that this paste really does work. I didnt want to use 40 asprin like many said to use, coz I only had 3 small warts. I realise that they may come back again, but I will be ready as soon as I see them, to zap them. So again, thank you to who ever came up with the idea, I am so very grateful, and you will be too!
[YEA] I'm Asian , I live in Asia and two months ago I noticed I had somelike pimples on my vagina area I was like Oh this must be just pimples or something so I scratched them so hard! Bleeding and they were bigger and bigger and spread around that area I must do something! I searched on the internet about it in my language! I swear no one in my country posted any useful things or talked about ACV, they all just knew Aldara and most of them went to the hospital but I was very ashamed and I tried searching things in English! I found this site! I felt so much better when I just read and havnt tried anything yet :D I was so down I thought life was about to end and Why me! I got myself sick but then we need to fight with it!
I got 3-4 GW on the opening of my vagina I got a very very big and fleshy one from my research I was sure I didnt want to try ACV alone :D it must be too painful so I tried it with Crushed Aspirin, Castor oil and ACV, Nice paste to just put them on your warts then they'll turn white and then grey and black and fell off!! I was so happy when I saw them fell off! Dont pull them I did everything very gently and make it clean! I always cleaned my vagina with hydrogen peroxide. They would fall off within a week [more or less] after that you can use any nice cream to heal your wound, I used Aloe vera gel [pure one] they looked better in two days became pink and all good :D I promised myself if this worked I would write down my story here and translated many many stuffs into my language and post one in my language too! This is gonna be very useful! ACV is not in every store like in the US but lucky me I live in the city.
Good luck everyone
Thanks this site and Thanks God I Know English- I might end up worse if I didnt know English . You just need to fight with them.