Heavy Metal Detox Side Effects and Remedies

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EDTA   1  0   

Posted by Aresem (Alkhobar, Saudi Arabia) on 11/06/2009

[SIDE EFFECTS]  How to use EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid)

I recently bought two 250 capsules bottles of EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) 625 mg at the Internet, when I tried for a week to my self taking it as directed in the bottle of one capsule 2 times a day it gave me some kind of palpitating headache at the upper left region of my head. I felt some pressures in my head blood veins and is vibrating at a certain frequency with pain. My main objective in using it is to chelate my body of heavy metals but have to stop using it as the pain is getting worse. The pain however went away by it self without medication after a few days of not taking it. I have read in one of your post related to cancer that you use this to help blood circulation with cancer patients. I wanted to give this to my wife who is battling stage-3 endometrial cancer but I am quite not sure that this will help her because of the experience I had with it. If you have any idea how to use this safely with out posting any risk to her life please let me know. As I have previously mentioned in my previous post my wife is having off and on asthenia and lost of appetite, which we wanted to get rid off.

Thank you in advance for any guidance you can provide us. ----- aresem

Posted by Candy (Ofallon, MO) on 02/16/2009

[YEA]  I have started using EDTA suppositories. It has been great. Alot of problems I have had have begun to go away. The EDTA is a toxic metal cleanse. They come in 375,750,1000 mg. I take the 375, the slower the better. My periods have become so close to normal, they use to be terrible. Heavy and long. Yeast infections were common. not so anymore.My skin is not as dry as it use to be. what is your opinion of EDTA? Candy

Posted by Lorena
Charlotte, NC
07/09/2009
Did the EDTA suppositories work? How are you feeling now, a few months later?
Posted by Candy
Ofallon, MO
07/21/2009
The lady that ask me how the EDTA was going.Yes it has worked for me and so much has improved.I will continue to take it and I have increased the dose to 750. I use to have terrible heavy periods and the doctor said I was old enough just wait it out...easy for HIM to say...I was old enough that menopause should have came along. I wondered how I would know when it was here with all the bleeding!!!! It finally arrived after taking 8 months of EDTA. My body is as it should be finally...
Posted by Tess
La, US
04/11/2014
I took the heavy metal challenge test, I had high lead, my doctor gave me EDTA Lipophos I noticed my heart rate go up my doctor told me that was normal because it was chelating the heavy metals I would drink this twice a week, .We visited a clinic outside the country and we did EDTA everyday for three weeks plus all the mineral vitamin replacements, I had no side effects and I am a super sensitive person so I figured EDTA is pretty safe and this level of chelation must of chelated most of the heavy metals out

Epsom Salts   0  0   

Posted by James (Panama City, Panama) on 04/14/2010

Epsom Salts as a full body detox

What is the proper dosage and lenght of time for using Epsom salts as a detox for the heavy metals in a person's body?

Posted by Zilverb
Seabrook, Texas, Usa
06/03/2012
9 Posts
To detoxify heavy metals with Epsom salts you put one cup Epsom salts and 1/4-cup baking soda in a clean bath tub and fill it with warm to hot water. Sit in it and soak for twenty to thirty minutes. Rub the water all over you with a cloth, your hand, or even an aloofa sponge. Do this 3 times a week. When the time is up, if you feel like you need to shampoo your hair or soap up do it now. It is not likely that you will need to put oil on your skin; however, if you feel the need use a virgin oil such as coconut or olive. Putting commercial products on you that are full of unnatural ingredients is not the way to go.

General Feedback   0  0   

Posted by John (Trang) on 05/14/2014

Hello Eeazy, not sure if this fits or where it would fit – maybe under Autism, Dementia, Alzheimer's. But it's very bloody good and frightening for parents.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/05/08/heavy-metals-glyphosate-health-effects.aspx

Posted by D (San Diego, Ca) on 03/29/2013

I'm wondering if having 2 bolts in my knee, from an ACL surgery back in 1988, can be leaching out into my system. I don't know what they're made up of, but I had been told they were "teflon"-coated, unless that was just as an example of how they are coated. The grafted ligament (taken from the patellar tendon) had shown on an MRI 6 years ago to be thinning, but I don't know what the state of the bolts are. The surgeon had said he plugged the bolts with pieces of bone from the patella (it was a long time ago, and a very primitive-style surgery compared to now).

I do have 3 mercury tooth-fillings left, which I have not been able to replace yet. But even when I can replace them, I may still have metal leaching into my system from the bolts? They cannot be taken out.

So I wonder if my hair-loss and other stuff has to do with my body attacking itself? Like if my hair is "toxic" because of constantly detoxing, that my body may be attacking it? The roots seem to be declining, and new hair comes in so baby-fine that it doesn't seem to stay in for long. I know the hair-loss isn't the main problem but a symptom, i'm just using it as an indicator. My thyroid hormone level is back within normal range (back down to 4.5 from 7.5), so I'm ruling that out as a possible cause. Another symptom is fibromyalgia-like, but with a hyperactive mind. So physically exhausted but amped-up at the same time. And Magnesium Chloride did not help with sleep. And there's "this and that" inconsistant symptoms, not too drastic, but which could be attributed to so many other things too (like candida, deficiencies, ph balance, parasites, allergies, neurological restrictions, glandular, other toxins, altered immune system, etc etc).

I have been doing: increased iodine intake, transdermal Magnesium Chloride, lots of ACV, the suggested Borax solution (also from www.health-science-spirit.com/borax), drinking aloe vera juice with baking soda and vitamin C powder, eating lots of garlic and miso and spirulina, (and nothing out of the Pacific Ocean or Japan, as it's now a radionuclide dump) etc etc... Just started oil-pulling with virgin coconut oil a few weeks ago... And had been doing this Intestinal Drawing Formula (also for the radiation which is coming over from Japan's 3 melted-down reactors which are still spewing into the atmosphere, down the jetstream, right at us on the west coast US not to mention the whole Northern Hemisphere, now reaching the southern [if you are not aware of that, you may want to scan through enenews. Com, enviroreporter. Com, fairewinds. Org]... anyways, that's a whole other issue) which has bentonite clay, zeolite, slippery elm, etc - from an excellent quality line of products that i'll post if given permission.

But it seems that if I have a "permanent" metal fixture within my bone, that all this attempt to cleanse may be making the problem worse. By constantly pulling the metals into my bloodstream. I don't know, just seems to be a logical possibility.

Or something that my body is constantly rejecting (and I did grow up with allergic reactions like eczema and asthma, and other occasional weird unexplained reactions). Anyways, my main question is whether it's possible that the bolts in my bones could be leaching into my system? And whether doing detox protocols could be worsening that - since I cannot remove the bolts, my body might be constantly trying to remove them, by drawing their substances into my bloodstream?

Oh, in case it's pertinent, I'm a 43 yr old woman of lower-than-average weight. Might not matter for a straight-forward answer. I am curious what Ted's perspective is on this, yet I know he gets swamped with questions. So I'd appreciate anyone's experience or knowledge on the topic. Thanks

Posted by D
San Diego, Ca
04/09/2013
4 Posts
I'm replying to my own inquiry so I don't have to rewrite it. I haven't found any info related, though there must be something somewhere.

Main question: does anyone have any info or experience with heavy metal detoxing, while having metal hardware from a surgery in the bones? (an old style ACL reconstruction in the knee from 1988 - grafted tendon with a bolt at the top of the tibia and one at the lateral lower femur)

Seems that detoxing might possibly pull the metals into the bloodstream, but since they cannot be fully dissolved, may that cause more problems than it could cure? Seems it may be a futile effort to keep drawing out what cannot be removed, and keep it constantly moving within other bio-systems. I'd love to get a complete hair/blood analysis, but have not found affordable labwork. I also do not know what the bolts are made of, so don't know what i'd be looking for.

More details on my original post.

Not to be redundant, but for some reason I can't get any answers on that. Maybe it's an unknown still?

Posted by Anonymous
Lakewood, Ca
07/13/2013
Just saw something on the net about cobalt chromium ions leeching into the blood from hip replacement hardware, and a solution given was chelation with chlorella and cilantro. You may want to websearch for it.

Posted by Robin (Melbourne, Australia) on 02/17/2011

Dear Ted/connie, my hair analysis shows copper off the chart, so bad the lab rang me to tell me Im the worst theyve seen. Look up the net and its bad on so many levels. BUT a blood test shows normal levels. So all the detoxing Ive been doing isnt bringing it out OR I dont have it. I had histamine levels measured. low histamine would have added some weight. But thats normal. I do have addisons. Poor adrenals goes with copper overload. How do I know? Because I dont know what to eat, many supplements that could help me are a no no if you have copper overload. Help?

Posted by Gillian
Cairns, Australia
03/22/2012
Hi Robin.. I also have extremely high levels of copper and I'm wondering if you've had any success in ridding it from your body. Please let me know.
Posted by Kathym
Bay Shore, Ny
06/17/2013
Check symptoms for Pyroluria. Hair dyes also have copper.

Posted by Janice (Coloma, Mi) on 12/21/2010

Can anyone tell me if it is o.k. To cook in the old cast iron pans or do you get too much heavy metal from them?

Posted by Diane
Berkeley, Ca
12/21/2010
3 Posts
Cast iron pans are excellent to cook in. I love, love, LOVE mine. You do get very small traces of iron from them, but that's not bad. If you condition them properly and keep them seasoned, they are naturally non-stick too.

Posted by Anne (Asheville, NC) on 07/02/2009

I am planning on doing a heavy metal detox and was wondering if there is a significant differnce between Bentontite clay and activated charcoal in terms of effectiveness? The feedback for each remedy for detox plans is very similar. Is there any reason to prefer one over the other? Thanks!

Posted by Regulator555
Grand Rapids, Mi, Usa
07/28/2010
15 Posts
[QUESTION]   Hello EC group! My son, 13 months old, tested an 8 for lead. 10 is considered the highest safe level. However, I've read that permanent damage can occur at levels of 2. I think the 8 is due to where we live - old apartment and he plays outside in the dirt, so there's probably lead in the soil. We're moving in a few weeks. Meanwhile, my doc is not concerned. My husband and I are concerned. Fruits and vegetables, the recommended detox for kids, isn't possible as he is still nursed (not interested in food yet). I've read about cilantro, n-acetyl cysteine, and zeolite as great - for adults. Does anyone know of any methods for treating a 13 month old?
Posted by Carly
Seattle, Wa Usa
07/29/2010
Oops - I forgot to mention in my prior response - Fulvic Acid comes in a liquid and has virtually no taste.
Posted by Carly
Seattle, Wa,Usa
07/29/2010
Hi - I would look in to Fulvic Acid. There is quite a bit on it on the Web, and on the Earth Clinic site also. Among other things - it is a heavy metal chelator, and is a totally natural substance. I am not sure about using it on a 13 month old, as I was researching it for different reasons. I am now a firm believer in Fulvic Acid and have only been taking it for a week! I think it truly is detoxifying me. Best of luck to you, and glad to hear you are getting your child away from whatever source of the lead you are around. . . . Remember to wash his hands often, that might help some too. :-) Carly
Posted by Lissa
Mechanicsville, Va
01/30/2012
Your son is chelating you if you're nursing him. That is the most likely culprit and a reason moms feel so great after nursing. One should always have their metal levels checked before becoming pregnant and nursing. That little baby is the great chelator, sorry to say. I'd get myself checked out immediately to make sure you aren't causing it. And please if you are heavy metal toxic stop breast feeding, escpecially if you chelate.
Posted by Fety
Somewhere In, Wa
06/01/2012
4 Posts
Exactly ^^ Breastfeeding turns your fat into milk! Hello? Everyone has quite a few toxins and metals in their fat unless they happen to be cleaner-eating Amish.
Posted by Hotlava
Seattle
08/27/2013
To Lissa: you are right that babies are one of the best heavy metal chelators for adult women, which is one of the saddest and most heartbreaking truths in this world. Thus, to all the fertile women reading this today- take your health seriously, for the sake of our future generations!

To the OP: this comment is probably too late, but not breast-feeding your child would help reduce any potential symptoms for your child, since you are likely mobilizing any lead you have stored in your bones for breast milk production (it likes to partner with calcium in the body). You might consider securing another source of clean human breast milk... Breastmilk will help your son be his best, high or low lead levels, yours or someone elses. Chemical infant formula is no substitute for healthy babies! Google "La Leche League" or visit your department of public health for more information.

There is also a highly regarded homemade infant formula found in the cookbook Nourishing Traditions, by Sally Fallon (a book worth reading anyways)... best of luck.

Posted by Timh
Ky, Usa
08/28/2013
1047 Posts
Welcome Hotlava: This has long been a controversial subject in my book. Most aggravating is the lack of research reports and caution from the natural medicine professional community concerning the toxicity of human breast milk. In our toxic modern world, it's not a question of what toxic metals or chems we have in our body but how many and how much. Fat tissue is simply a reservoir for many of the toxins where they remain for yrs or the life of the individual. Breast milk is like a stream from that toxic reservoir. This toxic syndrome is not only a problem in the human species, but other mammals as well; Polar Bears in particular have varying degrees of toxic chems and particularly mercury in their fat which is passed to their cubs which can and does cause serious damage. Yet breast feeding is happily embraced and encouraged in our culture, after all it's "natural".

This invisible problem could also have ramification beyond simply early childhood learning disabilities and what not. Autism and other major disabilities have complex causes which are in most cases very difficult to identify.

As for solutions, supplementing antioxidant nutrition and whole body detox remedies are critical for keeping these toxins out of the body.

The big emphasis is adequate Glutathione levels, and yes Selenium is important but I would also recommend, from first-hand and scientific proof, the role that the hormone Melatonin plays in Glutathione production. The Acai berry as well as other anthocyanin antioxidant flavones provides the defense necessary for the body to "burn" fat instead of accumulate it. Green Tea Catechins and the list goes on all are defenders against toxins.

Another remedy worth mentioning in our quest for keeping toxins away is sweating. Sweating is one of the body's natural detoxification methods, but toxic modern life w/ our air-conditioned environments create a big cause for toxin accumulation.

Posted by Hotlava
Seattle
09/03/2013
Hi Timh- thanks for the dialogue..

I appreciate your concern and sensitivity to the quality of breast milk in our modern toxic world- there should be more public discussion of the risks and advantages of its use in feeding our infants. That being said, any research on infants is almost entirely unethical since they can't be fully informed of their participation and have their own choice, and thus it is limited. Current research has a concensus, however, that the benefits outweigh the risks.

I appreciate your suggestion of using melatonin for boosting glutathione- I recall that andrew cutler encouraged that in his (somewhat confusing) tome Amalgam Illness. I am also a big antioxidant fan- you are very right to include that for detoxification (my favorite local source of anthocyanins is salal berries, indigenous here in washington state).

I have read conflicting reports about how much toxins are flushed out during sweating, but none the less still enjoy the practice. This is a news report outlining a detox study being conducted at my alma mater: http://www.king5.com/news/Sweating-for-science-221725201.html

Thanks for sharing what works for you! It benefits us all.

Posted by Timh
Ky, Usa
09/04/2013
1047 Posts
@Hotlava: Thanx for the reply as this topic has reoccurred in my thoughts ever since the original post a few weeks ago; much deserving of more discussion.

As for the research (or lack thereof) you spoke of, further indicates the dangerous nature of this condition; it's not one of those blatant illnesses that garner public attention and response. Last night Bill Maher (on the Tonight Show w/.. ) noted this disparity between the recent chemical bombs unleashed upon civilians in Syria Vs Monsanto's non-labeled GMO's. This same problem exist in the medical community; the acute infections that require immediate medical intervention get high public alert status, while chronic illnesses caused by pathogens like Candida, mycoplasma, among others, are thrown under the rug and the struggling patient is recommended psychiatric medications or counseling as to their hypochondria condition.

So the only real markers of mommy-baby toxicity issues aren't apparent until the child reaches school age and is found to have "learning disabilities" or perhaps worse in cases like autism spectrum disorders. The variety of effects on mental function, behavior, and learning, and all with unknown etiology, makes the positive case for modern lifestyle or environmental cause.

The older and more obese the mother, the more likely (considering all other equal denominators like lifestyle or geography) the more likely congenital disorders.

As for treatment, this is yet another problem, because like Neil Young said "the damage done". So there is a really big need for awareness in terms of prevention. In my personal battle with a severe environmental illness, I have found Oil Pulling and Detox Foot Pads to be quite effective for helping the body remove toxic zenobiotics or heavy metals (outside of boosting antioxidant status). As for obesity, the body is blessed to have fat as an energy reserve, BUT this fat becomes a reservoir for toxin accumulation. As I might have suggested in a previous post, many people have great difficulty losing weight and I believe this toxicity factor is, to some degree, to blame. So, there is a holistic Dr Gittleman that has found breakthrough remedies in overcoming this problem, and so I very highly recommend her to mothers-to-be- and obese folks in general. She has a great web-site here: http://annlouise.com/.

Posted by Sandra (Joplin, Missouri) on 04/28/2009

[SIDE EFFECTS]  I have a question about detox symptoms at least I think its a symptom of such. I have tried different products for heavy metal detox or ph balance according to their directions and soon I become very sad and crying a lot untill I drop back the use of product, has anyone else had this problem and is it due to overly alkaline state or what? this has happened two to three times on various products. please enlighten me if you can. Thanks sandra

Posted by Rob
Manhattan, New York
04/29/2009
"detoxing" can be quite a shock to the system & therefore affect your emotional state. there may be one ingredient in particular that is effecting your hormonal and brain chemistry. I've noticed for example, if I take too much Omega 3 or certain brands I can become more obsessive in my thoughts.
Posted by Lynnette
San Mateo, CA
04/30/2009
Having study alternative medicine for many years it is believed that we carry latent emotions within our body, often within our muscles, fat and toxic body waste. And when doing body work there can often be a release of these emotions which can and often is intense. It can happen during detox, massage and even weight loss. It eventually it does pass. When it becomes intense, you can certainly cut back a bit to allow your body time to 'process' the emotions as they work their way through your system. Hope this helps. Lynnette
Posted by Faithinhealing
Forest Park, Ohio, Usa
02/27/2010
27 Posts
Detoxing is tough, and you are right, the emotions that have come up since I started the detox have been major, quite difficult at times. Usually I stop for a day or two then go back after I've recovered. I've found that peroxide in my ear helps with some of the detox symptoms though, odd but true.

Posted by Jeannie (Lansing, MI) on 03/09/2009

[WARNING!]  Please make everyone aware that the federal department of agriculture has found mercury in many popular food brands that comes from high fructose corn syrup and there were articles on this as recently as January 2009, see the links below . You would think that the FDA would stop this from happening but from what I have found they claim that high fructose corn syrup is not a health threat.

Press Release

January 26, 2009

Contact: Ben Lilliston, 612-870-3416, ben@iatp.org

Much High Fructose Corn Syrup Contaminated With Mercury, New Study Finds

Brand-Name Food Products Also Discovered to Contain Mercury

Minneapolis - Mercury was found in nearly 50 percent of tested samples of commercial high fructose corn syrup (HFCS), according to a new article published today in the scientific journal, Environmental Health. A separate study by the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP) detected mercury in nearly one-third of 55 popular brand- name food and beverage products where HFCS is the first or second highest labeled ingredient-including products by Quaker, Hershey's, Kraft and Smucker's.


Some infant formula is almost 1/2 HFCS. Similac Go & Grow baby formula, for example, claims "Balanced nutrition for older babies", but the first ingredient is 42.6% corn syrup solids. http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/similacingredients.jpg

See also:

http://www.healthobservatory.org/library.cfm?refid5026

And

Table A: Total mercury detected in 55 brand name foods and beverages high in HFCS
http://www.healthobservatory.org/library.cfm?refID5040

Thanks for all that you do Earth Clinic, please keep up the good work!

Jeannie

Green Clay   1  0   

Posted by Pat (Sheboygan, WI) on 03/08/2008

[YEA]  Our bodies lack tons of nutrients. Been a vegetarian for 30 years but the ground has hardly no nutrients and you could literally starve to death going vegetarian.(vegetarians living well balanced diets live average 7-10 yr longer than meat eaters--I used to be heavy meat eater) Don't remember the exact facts, but a tomato has 1/30 the nutriants that it had 50 years ago. Any there is an almost free natural supplement one cne take called green clay. If you can get a copy of the dvd you'll be amazed. The very best price I've found is a Christian non profit group that sells it. Here it the link--Hope it helps---may not get rid of the grey hair but will shurely help your internal parts regenerate. http://hopeint.net/xcartgold/product.php?productid=16784&cat=256&bestseller=Y

Heavy Metal Tests   0  0   

Posted by Joe (Wpb, Florida) on 06/14/2010

Bill,

I want to do a toxic element profile along with minerals levels. What is the difference between hair or urine as far as best test ? When the toxic levels decrease over time does this mean the body has gotten rid of most of it or that it could possibly be hiding in deep tissues, bones, organs, or brain. Hence, the circulatory toxins were removed but the stubborn metals linger in hard to reach areas resulting in a low marker, but in reality can still have high metals.

Is it ok to mix 1/4 tsp borax in 1 liter with 4 drops of Iodine (lugols)= 12.5mg, 1/8 tsp sea salt? These will be mixed in advance in 1 ltr bottle for the week.

Posted by Joe
Jupiter, Fl
06/16/2010
34 Posts
Bill: Thank you for your time and assistance.

In follow up clarification: If we always mix the Iodine with Ascorbic acid then is it 100% converted to Iodide? If so, I will only be getting the thyroid functioning benefits and not the Iodine positives (prostate). By mixing it in water only with-out Vit C, I will be getting both sides of the Iodine benefits but will have to tolerate the taste. The other option is to take Iodine with Vit C for higher concentration of Iodide and paint Iodine on the bottom of foot for specific Iodine benefits: which is what your doing.

Do we paint in the middle of bottom of foot or just on inside forearm area ? Difference? When we mix Vit C or ACV with Baking Soda are there any Bicarb benefits (sodium) left or are they used up by the acids intervention?

Posted by Bill
San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines
06/16/2010
797 Posts
Hi Joe...The best method to discover if you have excess heavy metals or lack of minerals -- which is also suggested by Ted -- is the hair analysis.

The urine analysis is not so accurate and is just a measure of the minerals and electrolytes that are excreted by the kidneys in one particular instance in time, whereas hair analysis will more accurately show accumulation of a particular mineral or heavy metal -- or lack of it -- in your body over a much longer period of time because hair is part of the skin tissue itself.

The health water mixture you suggest for yourself should be OK, but you mention in your post that you will take 1 litre of this mix per week which is not correct, not sure if this was a misprint or not.

Borax dosage is normally 1/8 - 1/4 teaspoon Borax in 1 litre of water PER DAY. This borax dosage should then be taken for 4 days on followed by three days off the Borax. My own method is to just take the borax this way for a maximum of a week or two every month as an anti-fungal preventative. But if you had something like candida(fungus) or rosacea(demodex mites), then this dosage should be taken continuously and as stated for a much longer period.

The sea salt maintenance dosage should be 1/4 teaspoon sea salt in 1 litre of water per day also. I normally just use sea salt on my food and also use it dissolved in water to flush out and help disinfect my nasal passages if there's a problem.

And the iodine dosage is 12.5 mgs per day. I take this dosage every day usually together with Vitamin C as ascorbate in water. This way the iodine portion of Lugol's is converted to iodide and there is no iodine taste. I also use foot-painting with tincture of iodine which is also quite effective.

But if you are taking lugol's as an anti-fungal or antiseptic specifically for your intestines, it is better to take the lugol's in water alone, because lugol's consists of iodide as well as iodine but iodine is the one that has the anti-microbial action in the intestines.

Within the body iodide, in small amounts, is needed for the thyroid, but iodine is the form needed and utilized by the mammary glands(women) and prostate glands of men. Other organs and mucus glands within the body also need and can use both the iodide and iodine forms. This is why the RDA dose for iodine -- about a 150 microgms, based solely on the only the thyroid's estimate requirement only -- just doesn't cut it as the proper daily iodine/iodide requirement for the whole body.

Posted by Joe
Jupiter, Fl
06/17/2010
34 Posts
Bill: Thank You for explaining things very well. I've been sharing the importance of Iodine with deficiency and havoc it can cause. I also heard that along with the halogens that soy inhibits Iodine too and soybean oil is in all packaged foods. Add chlorine, fluoride, bromine and we got a perfect storm for Iodine being depleted.

When we mix Lugol's 2% Solution -- potassium Iodide 4%, Iodine 2%. I heard that 4 drops would equal the 12.5mg per day suggested dosage. Is this correct ?

When we mix lugol's with Vit c we are only getting the Iodide property benefit b/c conversion of Iodine to
100% Iodide ?

To get both Iodine and Iodide we can just mix Lugol's with warm water and get addtional anti-fungal GI benefits ? Or we can just paint to get both Iodine and Iodide into our system?

You see Bill,I have been taking lugol's with just Vit C and not painting. I just want to cover getting both aspects of Iodine and Iodide into the body.

I have red online from other physicians that they say Iodine painting does not absorb properly because most of it evaporates, so it's not accurate measure of how depleted you are or how quickly the shading is gone?

I'm skeptical of the truth with these guys and our govt (FDA) They seem to want to fuel sickness for various organizational networks that benefit;
health care, population control, food industries makers , ,

Is it ok to mix HP,sea salt,borax,4 drops Iodine in 1 liter jar to drink over 1 day period or could this be to heavy detox? I trying to streamline things for my father. Thanks Again :)

Posted by Bill
San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines
06/17/2010
797 Posts
Hi Joe...Iodine is certainly a favourite -- along with Magnesium, Vitamin C, Borax, Sea Salt, Dessicated Liver and Ted's alkalizing remedies. All these, as a daily or weekly protocol, seem to work well in keeping my own body terrain and immune system fairly strong.

The classic form of Lugol's is 5gms Iodine(5%) with 10gms potassium iodide(10%) dissolved in 85gms water (85%). The original form of lugol's was always at 5% strength. This was discovered or invented by Jacques Lugol in 1829 and is still the best form of lugol's to supplement. But it is getting harder and harder to buy this form. The US govt now does not permit free sale of lugol's in amounts greater than 2 oz. The drugs companies seem bent on making it very difficult indeed for the population to obtain these necessary dietary supplements in order to stay healthy now. And meanwhile, at the other end, the FDA seem determined to ignore all the poisons in our food, soil and water supply. This is a very nasty alliance for sure.

Another example is dietary potassium -- which you can only ever buy now in pills made in less than 100 mg amounts. A recent European study has demonstrated that we need a minimum of at least 3.2 GRAMS of potassium per day as a daily intake for health.

I even saw both iodine crystals and potassium iodide crystals in a shop in Bangkok on a recent trip, so I could've made up my own proper form of lugol's quite easily, but I thought there was no need because I had found aqueous iodine. Later, I discovered this iodine was only 1% strength. Next time, I'll use my eyes..lol

A drop of 5% lugol's solution will contain about 6.3 mgs of iodine/iodide. So 2 drops of 5% lugol's will give you 12.6 mgs. However, the 2% lugol's that you are using will contain less than 3.1 mgs per drop so you will have to use about 4 drops per daily dose to achieve the necessary 12.5 mgms.

When you mix lugol's with Vit C it will turn colorless with no taste because the iodine in the lugol's transforms into iodide. The best methods to supplement both the iodide and iodine forms is to take lugol drops in water or to use footpainting or just use both.

It's OK to mix HP, sea salt, borax, 4 drops Iodine in a liter of water and take it daily -- but remember that Borax should be taken for only 4 days on -- with 3 days off the Borax. The reason for this is that Borax stimulates androgens (male hormone production), and the cycling of 4 days on and 3 days off Borax will prevent over-stimulation of these hormones.

Posted by Bill
San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines
06/17/2010
797 Posts
Hi Joe...Thanks for your questions.

Do we paint in the middle of bottom of foot or just on inside forearm area ?

Normally you would paint a 5 X 3 inch area of the bottom of the foot. I do this just before going to bed. Once you feel that your iodine levels are OK, then paint your feet once every 3 or four days.

When we mix Vit C or ACV with Baking Soda are there any Bicarb benefits (sodium) left or are they used up by the acids intervention?

It's always best to take just sodium bicarbonate with water on its own, because it has a different function to the BS and ACV or Lemon/Lime remedies. Bicarbonates -- on their own -- are necessary for our bodies because they are essential to cell respiration, the bicarbonate ion is used in cell respiration to simultaneously swap out the carbon dioxide for oxygen via the blood. It is also essential to provide proper second stage digestion in the duodenum and bicarbonates also aid in alkalizing the blood. The lemon/lime remedies, when combined with sodium bicarbonates, create citrates and small amounts of ascorbates(Vit C). Similarly ACV and BS produce malates and acetates. Both these forms play a direct role in and enhance the Krebs energy production and utilization cycle within the cell. So bicarbonates play a role to alkalize blood(extracellular), aid digestion and cell respiration whereas ACV and Lemeon/Lime help to alkalize the intracellular cell environment and aid in the production of energy within the cells.

With respect to iodine/iodide intake, the RDA recommendations are sadly inadequate. This RDA is wholly based on what will cure hypothyroidism and goiter but does not account for the much larger amounts that are also critically useful and needed by our bodies.

Here is a breakdown:

*Research by Drs Abraham and Brownstein seems to confirm that the proper minimal daily intake of iodine should be about 12.5 mgms (The RDA recommendation is still only about 150 microgms which, in my opinion, is ridiculous). The proper dose is equivalent to about two drops of lugol's iodine or one Iodoral tablet per day.

*I have also read that in order to satisfy just the thyroid requirement realistically requires about 2-3 mgms of iodide. Any iodine/iodide in excess is then freely utilized further throughout the body.

*The Iodine form is necessary for the mammary glands(women), the uterus and the prostate but the iodide form is necessary for thyroid uptake. All other uptake -- by the endocrine system, the organs and the mucus glands -- can generally utilize both the iodide or iodine forms. So the gist of this is that both the iodide and the iodine forms are necessary for our bodies.

(There is also another iodine form that is taken up -- triodide -- but I'm trying to keep this explanation simple...LOL).

The necessity for the mucus glands to uptake iodine I find very interesting, because these mucus glands are usually the first line of anti-microbial defense for our bodies. They are situated in the salivary glands, stomach, intestines, uterus, prostate, nose, throat and lungs to name just a few. ALL mucus glands in our bodies absorb and utilize iodine.

A 2% USP iodine tincture will kill 90% of all microbes -- including viruses, bacteria and fungus -- in 90 seconds and yet, taken in proper amounts, iodine is very body-friendly and even very necessary for our bodies.

In both the uterus and women's breasts, the formation of cysts and fibroids is perhaps a direct expression of a lack of iodine in the diet. The uterus is an acidic environment, but if it gets too acidic through bad diet then bad bacteria will take hold and problems like fibroids and bacterial vaginosis will occur. The uterus also has friendly bacteria that generate hydrogen peroxide, similar to the lacto-bacillus in the intestines, which also helps to prevent invasion by the bad bacteria. But for these friendly bacteria to survive in the uterus necessitates the maintenance of a healthy acid pH zone. Iodine is also alkaline and, from the uterine mucus secretions, kills the bad bacteria in the uterus as well as helps to regulate the uterine environment by putting it back into a safe and healthy acidic zone. Iodine is also anti-cancer as well as anti-mutagenic. The weird thing is that if you go to a doctor about having uterine fibroids or vaginal bacteriosis -- then they will normally just check for small iodine amounts that satisfy just your thyroid and not the larger amounts that the rest of your body needs -- which includes amounts needed by the mucus glands in the uterus. This is how you can have a normal thyroid but still lack the necessary iodine requirement for the rest of your body which seems to require far more iodine/iodide than the thyroid.

The pre-cancerous cysts that can occur in women's breasts is a similar story and also the result of a bad diet or fluorinated drugs. In an acid body(low iodine), all cysts/tumors will utilize mucus glands and mucus as a cloak or cover against attack by the white blood cells. However if iodine is taken in proper amounts ALL mucus glands will uptake the iodine -- even the mucus glands on the cyst or tumor. And iodine can kill virtually all offending microbes quickly, is strongly alkaline and is also anti-cancer as well as anti-mutagenic. Another significant point is that iodine is regarded by some researchers as the ultimate anti-histamine. Click here for the evidence.. Therefore, by supplementing correct amounts of iodine, these offending fibroids, cysts and tumors are completely de-cloaked as the bad guys, unable to hide or fool the body's white blood cells and so are attacked and are more easily eradicated. And this same argument applies for the prostate gland.

Currenty, I'm also looking into the synergistic relationships between some of my favourite supplements/minerals -- which are magnesium, iodine, vitamin c, hydrogen peroxide, sodium and potassium. I've already discovered that magnesium has a significant enzymatic role in the body's production of tyrosine which is essential for the thyroid to be able to slice off the metallic ion from the iodide molecule and convert and store it as iodine in the thyroid. Therefore supplementing magnesium as well as lugol's iodine should definitely further help hypothyroid problems.

Posted by Joe
Jupiter, Fl
06/22/2010
34 Posts
Bill: You mentioned that bicarbonates play a role to alkalize blood(extracellular), aid digestion and cell respiration whereas ACV and Lemeon/Lime help to alkalize the intracellular cell environment and aid in the production of energy within the cells.

If one has alkaline saliva (cellular) and alkaline urine (blood )thru testing can one still benefit from taking the bicarbs in water remedy and the lemon/lime BS remedy?

I didn't know if it's necessary or overkill if the body is already alkaline ? They say when applying mag oil to body that it's fully absorb in 20 minutes but how do we know the milligrams we took in? I read it's only about 100mg, short of the 400mg we need per day?

P.S. Is Mixing a 15-20 drops of magnesium oil with 1 liter of water plus: Hp,Borax,Sea Salt,Iodine (Ted's dosages) OK ?

Posted by Bill
San Fernando, Luzon, Philippines
06/23/2010
797 Posts
Hi Joe...If both your urine and saliva pH are in a healthy alkaline zone or range then maybe there is little reason to alkalize continuously.

However, even though I'm fairly healthy now, I still alkalize at least once a day, usually I take sodium bicarbonate with water say an hour or so before I go to bed. I find this always helps me to wake up early quite easily the next morning without any fuzz or brain fog. I also still regularly take Ted's Lime/Lemon plus BS remedies every few days to ensure intracellular alkalinity.

Perhaps there is no need to alkalize two or three times a day if your own pH is OK. However, there will be times when you exercise -- this produces lactic acid locally in the muscles and alkalizing will help. There will also be times when you might not eat the right foods or drink too much, say, when you go out to a restaurant.

From my own point of view, the food and drink that we buy are all heavily refined, processed and deodorized now -- all acidic -- including vegetable oils, sugar, dairy, flour, canned goods, meats and bottled drinks. And this does work against our own health by creating more acid in our bodies, thereby encouraging acidity, poor health and illness. This acid must be neutralized otherwise factors like our immune system, hormones or digestion could be adversely affected.

This is why -- for me anyway -- I usually alkalize every day in some way, since I don't always eat and drink the right things.

Magnesium Oil is fairly harmless for the body. If taken in excess transdermally the magnesium will simply be excreted fairly quickly and harmlessly by the kidneys. If you take large doses of magnesium supplement by mouth, the worst that can happen is diarrhea. There are few other side effects with magnesium unless you have kidney problems.

Posted by Al
Alvena, Sk., Canada
10/27/2012
54 Posts
The notes on heavy metals testing recommends testing the hair as the best indicator. I am wondering if heavy metals such as lead, copper, iron, mercury, cadmium, platinum, tungsten, chrome, nickel, zinc and other additives used in steel and other metals and their welding processes as well as in chemotherapy can cause hair to turn gray. I ask this because I started going gray at the age of 29 and my hair got progressively more gray as I got older. I had chemo at age 51 with a platinum based drug and my hair became substantially lighter. I worked in metal fabrication doing lots of welding and grinding full time for twenty years, starting at the age of 18, and then drove truck for twelve years after that.

I am now almost 54 and have been taking alpha lipoic acid for eight weeks to get rid of peripheral neuropathy and have figured out that it is working by chelating at least the platinum out of my system. I started noticing about three weeks in to using the ALA that the natural colour of my hair was returning. Now at eight weeks in to using ALA about 80% of my formerly gray hair is back to its' original natural colour but my beard is becoming darker than it was before. Is this normal? If so, what heavy metals does it indicate that it is removing to allow the hair colour to return? I have been taking 500 mg of ALA, 2000 mg of ALCAR, 50 mg of zinc, 80 mg of benfotiamine and 1000 mcg of vitamin B12 per day(the first two are divided in to two doses). If it is not the heavy metal chelation which of the above is causing the hair colour to return and why is it happening? Can anyone shed any light on this phenomenon? Thank you, Al.

Lead Poisoning Remedies   0  0   

Posted by Gert (Va) on 11/25/2013

As a child, my parents did a lot of remodeling. Sanding paint, removing insulation, etc. So I know I was exposed to lead paint and, very likely, asbestos. I've always been a bit 'slow', so I think that's why. Is there anything I can do about that exposure now, as a middle-aged person? Oh, I also remember playing with liquid mercury from a large thermometer--all us kids played with it in our hands. I've been told glutathione helps detox, so should I take this or just say it's been so long I can't do anything about it now. I'm really having issues with this, because both parents were in the medical/chemist field for work and must have known better than to expose us.

Posted by Mike 62
Denver, Colorado
11/25/2013
Gert: The same thing happened to me. I have tried every brain formula in the entire world trying to get smart. Yes there are some properly prepared products from reputable companies that are effective. The first product you want to take a lot of is sugar. The brain requires 150g glucose every day. Neurons require more energy due to their importance. Adenosine is permitted to accumulate when ATP is low. Adenosine exerts an inhibitory effect on the presynaptic release of excitatory neurotransmitters. Axons require the release and reuptake of ATP. ATP serves as a fast transmitter in the autonomic ganglia. For sugar I take raw wildflower honey and organic whole dried cane. For starch I take activated barley and organic buckwheat flour. Protein makes neurotransmitters. The best protein is raw whey isolate. I get 5lbs. for $60 shipped from ZN_______. Raw cocoa powder increases and balances all the neurotransmitters in the brain. The quinones in raw fermented skate liver oil remove plaque from the brain. I take 3ml daily. This also supplies A, D, and fish oil. 3g cold processed or 12g regular maca stimulate the hypothalamus pituitary axis. Spirulina is good for the front of the brain. Hawaiin is best. The only 2 products that improve the back of the brain are marine phytoplankton 1oz. liquid extract $36 and frozen liquid afa from Lake Klamath. All other preperations of these 2 superfoods are much inferior. These are highly recommended by both Mike Adams from Natural News and David Wolfe from longevity warehouse.
Posted by Mike 62
Denver, Colorado
11/26/2013
Gert: Sulfur both detoxes and energizes. The longest lived animal eats 1/4 the food we do. He eats a food that is very high in a gaseous sulfur that pulsates at very high energy levels, marine phytoplankton. Atoms 8 spaces apart on the periodic table have the some chemistry because the electrons in the outer shell are the same. Sulfur is 8 away from oxygen. The first life got sulfur for energy because there wasn't any oxygen. Sulfur is the mother of all minerals. Sulfur activates all the other minerals. Unfortunately, chemical fertilizers, pesticides, herbacides, meds, irridation, artificial ingredients in processed foods, cooking and freezing denature sulfur. Raw organic and grassfed whole foods contain sulfur. Maca has 4 unique sulfurs that detox and activate the hypothalamus/pituitary axis. Spirulina and raw cocoa are for the front. The only food that detoxes and energizes the back where the emotions are is marine phytoplankton, the 1oz expensive liquid is best.

Master Cleanse, Yoga   1  0   

Posted by Robin (Near Toledo, Ohio, Ohio) on 10/02/2007

[YEA]  Hi. I've been doing a lot of research for my many health problems and decided that an internal cleanse was crucial. I have been diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Immune System Dysfunction, Fibromyalgia, Irritable bowel syndrome with severe constipation, chronic candiditis adrenal fatigue, borderline hypothyroid, sleep disorder, Hormonal disturbances due to a tubal ligation (female castration, it causes the ovaries to just about die within two years of the procedure) iron and b-12 anemia, and possible mercury poisoning from many' amalgam fillings and vaccinations.

I have no energy, I can't sleep, losing hair like crazy, I crash after a stressful event, dark circles, weak thin nails, brain fog and poor memory, a thick feeling in the front of my lower throat, difficulties in reaching climax, dry skin and hair, extremely sensitive to cold, cold hands and feet, low body temperature, hypotension, (low blood pressure) 7 day long, clotted, painful, heavy monthly cycles, lengthy sinus infections, itchy waxy ears, difficulty loosing weight, hypersensitive nervous system, 3.5 cm uric acid kidney stone, (to stick on atkins diet there) heck, I can't even remember all my symptoms, but I know there are more.

I had done one 9 day cleanse already and didn't get the results I wanted, so I tried another. I hit the jackpot this time. It started releasing all the mucoid plaque that was stuck and built up in my intestinal walls, working on the candida and other "wigglies" (parasites) that are common in most of us now too.

What I did not expect was that my normally thin, weak, and easily split or broken nails got thicker and stopped splitting while growing like crazy. The dark circles under my eyes are disappearing, I've lost 10 lbs so far, I use the bathroom several times a day now verses maybe once a day or once a week depending on my stress level, they are quick and easy and I use much less tp. I also don't feel so bloated in my upper abdomen after a meal which took hours to go away. My female cycle is much shorter with lighter flow now too with much less pain the first day or two. I don't get heartburn anymore either.

I know I cannot name the cleanse, but it's recommended that you do it for 3 months. It's 3 simple easy steps a day plus at least 64 oz of pure clean water and no fasting is required. Pills and a fiber blend in the drink of your choice on rising, water throughout the day, and a cup of their tea at night. Plus, it's very gentle and no need to feel you can't be near a bathroom. On the site there are pages and pages of pictures that clients have sent in showing the actual mucoid ropes that have been expelled from their body. Plus the amount of testimonies sent in is amazing, with all number of ailments disappearing. If you don't do the recommended toxin cleansing program this company makes as well, you also should be taking a good quality pro-biotic to replace the yeast that the system is removing from your insides and keep it from coming back.

I believe the stronger finger nails have resulted because where the plaque was removed nutrients can now enter my body and be absorbed. I think the dark circles are clearing up from the toxin removal. I have noticed a toxin headache as I call it usually the day before a section of plaque shows up the next day. Once it's out of the body, the headache disappears. They have ranged from black, hard, and rubbery to light-dark tan, looking like a leg of pantyhose with chicken livers every half inch or so.

I plan to continue on this cleanse until I'm satisfied that I'm clean inside. I then plan to do a cleanse on the other systems of the body to further remove toxins and acid buildup.

I had tried this companies toxin program, but after 2 weeks I broke out in extremely itchy tiny bumps that I thought were spider bites until I poked one with a needle and clear fluid came out. Then I realized I'd had these before, only just one or two at a time on my hands, so I figured it was either an allergic reaction to something in that cleanse or I was having a cleansing reaction and had to stop.

In the mean time, I've recently started taking OR ACV with the mother with OR honey, and I just started the BS molasses. I find that if I miss a dose of the acv/h mixture, my hands go right back to being cold again by the end of the day. I'm suppose to be on the baking soda for the rest of my life due to the kidney stones and I feel another in there now so I'm doing that in my water, along with the celtic sea salt and lugol's solution of iodine for my thyroid. I also just started on the zinc to displace the mercury and want to start chlorella to detox as well. I found an herb supplier that sells cosmetic grade borax and plan to get some of that and try it too. (thank you for all your suggestions Ted!)

A few other things I have done to decrease my toxin overload was to switch to all homemade household cleaners and laundry detergents, eliminated air fresheners, and switched to all organic body products and makeup. I have a well in a area thought to be contaminated so I only drink reverse osmosis water. I plan to get a shower filter eventually.

I've read that dry skin brushing before your shower can help stimulate the lymphatic system, as can rebounding on a mini trampoline. If you've ever read the multitude of health benefits of rebounding you would be sold too. I hope to get one of those soon. There is a famous Dr T who has a web site that just sent out a newsletter stating both were highly beneficial to CFS/Fibro.

Infared saunas can help with the detoxification of yeast die-off.

Another thing that I have done that really helped with me the fibro was doing yoga (before a serious injury I had a year ago that caused me to quit), I had much less aches and pains, felt more energetic and less stressed. I think I'm recovered enough now to try and get back into it. It was the Sivinada style if anyone is interested. I also am a reiki master/teacher and use that on myself, I use flower essenses and essential oils as well.

Anyway, I just wanted to share the things I was doing that was helping and I anticipate helping more as I rid my body of all that toxic, poisonous junk. It's all well and fine to use things to build the system back up, but you must eliminate the contaminates that are causing the symptoms as well. Blessings to all!

Posted by Crista
Pekin, Illinoi
10/06/2009
7 Posts
I have seen others post about this cleanse on this website. I did do reseach about this cleanse because I was looking for a very good cleanse. People have posted on other websites about complaints concerning this particular cleanse. The tea is actually what causes the elaborate bowl movements. There is actually something in the tea that binds it in that pattern making it look that way. One lady talked about how because she had done the cleanse for the length they asked she ended up leakage issues. Please before doing this cleanse look up peoples complaints before acting on it. This cleanse is one of those too good to be true moments. I don't like putting down people's choices, especially since Robin's response sounds so good. Just be leary of buying stuff online from soarces you are not positive are good because since none of this stuff doesn't get FDA approved they can say what they want. I am a firm believer of much of the advice on this website so I am not against it, I just didn't like the comments I found about this particular cleanse.
Posted by Annie
Central Nc, Usa
05/21/2011
11 Posts
Robin and Crista, You talk about a website about this internal cleanse but how do we find it? I'm eager to learn. Why doesn't EC have a means to contact each other without showing our email addresses? If anyone knows this site feel free to contact me. jaevans4939(at)hotmail(dot)com
Posted by C-rock
Georgia
02/13/2014
In reply to..." I have no energy, I can't sleep, losing hair like crazy, dark circles, brain fog and poor memory, a thick feeling in the front of my lower throat, dry skin and hair, extremely sensitive to cold, cold hands and feet, low body temperature, 7 day long, clotted, painful, heavy monthly cycles, difficulty loosing weight..."

This sounds like the classic hypothyroid symptoms. Have your doctor do the T3 thyroid blood test along with the other standard thyroid panel.

Mercury Toxicity   3  0   

Posted by Una (Scotland, Ayrshire) on 03/25/2013

Was poisoned by a dentist in Troon and I am at my wits end who to turn to for help! Blood tests showed low levels of Mercury in system but why afterwards have I all the symptoms agitation anxiety dark thoughts battery mouth poor memory. What scares me is that they say you don't improve till all the mercury fillings are removed I'm terrified to go near a dentist after this experience. Not to mention the awful gastric problems. Could someone advise please.

Posted by Joy
Battleground, Wash
03/25/2013
I don't know much about how to treat the problem and a lot of us are in the same boat as you..... I do know HOW TO KEEP THE WAY YOU THINK ABOUT THE PROBLEM FROM MAKING IT WORSE ON YOUR HEALTH. I was a PANIC button pusher, but getting better at taking it captive when it first hits.

Stress about the problem will cause you to worry and then worry will bring more symptoms and other health problems from tension.

So take some deep breaths --------- lay down and let your abdomen go up as you take in air slowly. Hold for the count of three and then relax as it goes out. Repeat until you feel calm .

Tell yourself this is going to work out good, no matter how long it takes and that you are strong enough and smart enough to find answers and overcome this, one day at a time.

Think through each answer come across in your search and find some other testimonies of success, before trying anything out on yourself.

There are some books about mineral supplements and they say which ones to take to make certain minerals and metals leave your body and not store in your organs. I was googling around about magnesium recently and found one of those sites. Toxic metals stored in the body and how to displace them ------is one heading

Posted by Hotlava
Seattle
08/27/2013
And while you deep breath, take some charcoal capsules with a great big glass of water. :)
Posted by Mark
Newton Abbot, Devon
08/28/2013
Hi, You can chelate the mercury out of your body, it may take a few weeks but can be done with certain supplements and or diet, cilantro is known to be a very effective and a potent chelate medium of heavy metal you can eat the leaves daily in salads or go for the capsules, also Vit C is very effective as a chelate medium, DMSA is another proven remedy, one other product I recently came across is a product that contains sodium aluminosilicate (15 mg) and Magnesium Potassium Sorbate (0.5 mg), it is possibly the most effective and easy to use natural chelate product available, My wife is about to start on it for similar reasons to you, namely mercury poisoning caused by the incompetent dentist living in the dark ages, She now has MS symptoms after long term exposure, these fools do not take the issue of mercury toxicity serious, funny how it's OK and safe to pop it in our mouths but the moment they handle it from storage to mouth and then later remove it its classed as highly toxic waste which by law requires extreme safety precautions to be taken! MS, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's etc. etc. Are all believed to be linked to mercury toxicity/poisening? Say no more! You need to be chelated IMO


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