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Vitamin C Cures and Side Effects Questions

Updated: 09/17/2008

VITAMIN C AND PREGNANCY

VITAMIN C DIFFERENCES: WHICH ONE IS BEST?

VITAMIN C DIFFERENCES

VITAMIN C WITH SODIUM ASCORBATE

INFERTILITY

MISCARRIAGE RISK

MIXING ASCORBIC ACID WITH SODIUM BICARBONATE TO GET SODIUM ASCORBATE

HIGH DOSES OF VITAMIN C

MULTI-VITAMIN WITHOUT VITAMIN C

VITAMIN C ALLERGY

VITAMIN C BETTER THAN ASCORBIC ACID?

QUESTION ABOUT THE ESTER-C

VITAMIN C AND PREGNANCY
09/17/2008: Julitza (jmnieves@care2.com) writes: "I consumed 14000 mg vit C for 3 consecutive days for getting my menstrual period, which is a technique that I have used and works. I learned that I was pregnant and stopped consuming it. How can it affect the baby?"

VITAMIN C DIFFERENCES: WHICH ONE IS BEST?
06/24/2008: Daisy writes: "I have gotten confused while reading Ted's responses about vitamin C. I am finding it hard to find (locally) sodium ascorbate and thought I had figured it out that calcium ascorbate was just as good (PH wise.) One of Ted's posts says that calcium ascorbate is O.K. to use. Then another post of his says that sodium ascorbate is the best. Are they equivalent in the PH sense? Thanks for any insight."

06/30/2008: Teresa from Northern, Indiana replies: "I think another issue is that we already have too much calcium in our diets, and therefore the sodium ascorbate is better. I remember Ted writing about chelation one time, and why using disodium EDTA is much better than the calcium EDTA. So, I use that same line of logic for my Vitamin C. If you google calcium on this site, you'll find more info. I buy my off a popular vitamin/supplment website (not sure I can say the name - but herb is in the name-hint). Very affordable; comes in powder form. Also, after I asked, my local herbal store started selling it. Best wishes."

VITAMIN C DIFFERENCES
06/08/2008: Daisy writes: "I have gotten confused while reading Ted's responses about vitamin C. I am finding it hard to find (locally) sodium ascorbate and thought I had figured it out that calcium ascorbate was just as good (PH wise.) One of Ted's posts says that calcium ascorbate is O.K. to use. Then another post of his says that sodium ascorbate is the best. Are they equivalent in the PH sense? Thanks for any insight."

VITAMIN C WITH SODIUM ASCORBATE
04/29/2008: Susan writes: "I have not been able to find vitamin C sodium ascorbate after searching a health food store, grocery store and 2 different drug stores. What name should I be looking for?"

INFERTILITY
02/27/2008: M writes: "Hi Ted, After researching your website for fertility cures I read that you should take vitamin C in the form of sodium ascorbate. I also read your bio where you mentioned that your mother had a craving for oranges when she was pregnant with you but mentioned that vitamin C is a cure for miscarriage and she ate by the bushels!! Could you please clarify this for me. Thank you."

Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Vitamin C promotes collagen formation which allows the baby to be attached to the mother's uterus preventing miscarriage. Vitamin C also reduces some autoimmunity against the unborn child. If autoimmunity exists, the mother will see the unborn child as a "foreign" tissue and immediately rejects it. However, I think a lot of immunity is always the fungus, mycoplasma (from those vaccines), for example, which may also bring down miscarriage. Basically the woman's eggs goes down the uterus and must attach itself to get pregnant. If it attaches itself not firmly enough the baby develops, then it becomes a miscarriage. The attachement of the eggs or the baby the mother needs sufficient collagen production, in which vitamin C is helpful with collagen, which prevents miscarriage. However, collagen is dependent on dietary collagen such as collagen supplements, from Knox chicken gelatine, sufficient silicon supplements from oatmeal, or water rich with silicon, and others. It should be noted that it is the ability of the body to produce the collagen which protects against miscarriage. But it must also be noted that excess pseudoestrogens (from canned foods), chlorine, fluorine, aspartame, fructose, and deficiency in magnesium can also initiate infertility. Fluorine and chlorine by reduction and mobility of sperm counts, but so is lack of zinc. Aspartame by damaging the neuroendocrine system. If you don't believe me taking aspartame will raise the urine pH to be very acid well below 6, and closer to 5. An ideal urine pH is 6.5 - 7.5, closer to 7, being neutral. Evidence of damages of neuroendocrine is easy to determine (which controls fertility) whenever urine pH suddenly becomes acid after aspartame intake. The long term trends toward sperm counts is at least after the 1960s to the present, comes mostly from fructose, vegetable oils used in high cooking temperatures (a dog or fish can be infertile if given these in their food supply - as a fried food), aspartame, fluoridation, and even vaccination. Certain impurities in vaccinations, such as mycoplasma, (possibly or more frequent yearly vaccination) initiates autoimmunity. Now when autoimmunity happens the mother becomes "autoimmune" against the baby in her stomach, causing miscarriage. All these modern technology may be causing miscarriage and infertility. All my woman friends have miscarriage if they happen to work or use computers. It could be to x ray radiation from those CRT monitors, but I have found testes of men to be damage just by putting the cellular phones in the pant's pockets. The microwave from the mobile phone may damage them, and a woman who place cellular phones in the womb area or blue jeans may initiate miscarriages from radiation of cellular phones too. There is an easy way to determine the extent of this microwave cooking from cellular phones, two cellular phones turn on for about an hour or so facing a raw egg can cook eggs. But a constant use of these can well cook fertilized eggs, ovaries and other things. A mother who doesn't know better might think ultrasound is safe, but the frequency of these ultrasound exists in the microwave frequency just like the oven, and they cause heat, just the same and can go deep with carrier waves they check for the fetus in their stomach. Ultrasound generates free radicals and heat and there are studies to show that it effects the fetus development and possibly miscarriage too. An ultrasound used for humidifiers or create a small fog can easily severely burn the hands (it did with mine!) and hence ultrasound is not safe to use either. There is a lot of risk we do and take for granted for our desire for convenience, but at the same time we are endangering the unborn child. Recently my local news announce that immunization may not be needed by the child in the face of some people finding out babies are getting autistic from MMR vaccines which contain mercury and monosodium glutamate (MSG) which causes holes in brain cells, and now they decided to immunized a pregnant mother instead. That's even worse, since the mercury and high heavy metals will cause an irreversible autism condition. It was easy enough to cure autism by metal chelation from vaccination in a small baby, but it is nearly impossible if term pregnant mother is high in mercury to begin with, as well as the amalgam tooth fillings, which is made of 50% mercury and 50% silver. Therefore, it is best to switch over to composites which doesn't have heavy metals, a year before pregnancy and I think taking iodide and cilantro will remove heavy metals before term pregnancy which might reduce risk exposure to miscarriage. There is also some disinformation on getting pregnant in relation to the woman's cycle...but that's another story altogether. However, a men should avoid testosterone supplements. These reduce sperm counts to nearly 0, especially injection of them, and a woman's estrogen can reduce pregnancy, but what is most interesting is nearly all canned foods has plastic lining which has pseudoestrogens from bisphenol A being created in those canned foods as it breaksdown. I would give more attention not just taking vitamin C, but avoiding a lot of things that is causing them, and authorities "don't know why the sperm counts decreases year by year for the past 40 something years", has got to be pretending to protect private industries major health risk. The risks is pretty well known, but you just have to be around to know some of these things like I did."

MISCARRIAGE RISK
12/13/2007: Kat writes: "Kat from New Mexico writes: just wanted to comment on a reply were you stated that vitamin c can help prevent miscarriage. ascorbic acid (synthetic vit c i believe) is actually and abortificient in early term pregnancy, so you should be sure to note that unless a woman is trying to terminate a pregnancy, she should never take ascorbic acid while pregnant (ascorbic acid is the main ingredient in most off brand and lower priced vit c supplements.)"

Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "

This information was based on large scale research done years ago comparing a woman taking vitamin C and no vitamin C and its abortion rate. However, it should be assume that all other factors remain constant (no OTHER vitamin deficiencies is apparent - 'other things being equal') that found woman who took vitamin C had lower incidence of miscarriage.

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My own mother had miscarriage regularly and the reason why I was born was she ate a lot of oranges by the basket during early pregnancy otherwise I wouldn't be here answering earthclinic questions. The surgical on her abdominal healed very quickly as a result too, from past appendectomy. It was unusual that before I was born as my mother also fell out of a motorcycle on the hill about 20 meters and she should have miscarriage then and there and I wouldn't be alive or perhaps I am just lucky.

 

The type of vitamin C I prefer has never been ascorbic acid. It has always been sodium ascorbate, or sodium ascorbate with some rose hips. It should also be noted that there is a huge differences between ascorbic acid and sodium ascorbate. Ascorbic acid is a prooxidant, while sodium ascorbate is an antioxidant. You can prove this to yourself with an Oxidation Reduction Potential (ORP) meter to test its antioxidant and oxidant level.

 

The ascorbic acid is an oxidant (which causes cellular degeneration from the acidity), while the alkaline (especially with added baking soda) is a powerful antioxidant) which helps cells heal.

 

So the reason for the conflicting information may be, intentional or unintentional, fact that scientist today are ignoring the acidosis issue (lactic acidosis might also lead to heart problems too), which is quite prevalent amongst pregnant mother, which can cause spontaneous abortion.

 

Any acid will cause a collagen and other things to digest itself from the excess acidity from toxins generated by the baby to the mother. That's how our stomach digest foods and in general acids are tend to breakdown the proteins and may be related in someways to problems during pregnancy.

 

In case you want to know what the other factors are that prevent miscarriage, it's likely to be the folic acid and the vitamin B6, which is directly related to fetal development, and lack of it can result in the same problem.

 

It should be also noted that nearly all canned foods and even in plastic containers and saran wrap, today are coated or made with a plastic lining made from female hormone estrogen, called Bisphenol-A, which well known for inducing spontaneou abortion in rat and guinea pig studies. So it's quite possible to fudge the research in giving nursing mothers with vitamin C rich packaged foods, such as tomatoes, and oranges. So while vitamin C is high, the Bisphenol-A induces term pregnancy too, while researchers ignored the estrogen levels high in many packaged foods now being served in supermarkets lined with Bishenol-A, which as an accumulative effects just as well.

 

If you are lost on this information overflow and confusing array of research (whether there is a conspiracy theory) it should be noted that spontaneous abortion are lower in livestock animals that are fed with multivitamins and minerals under the care of veterinarians than in humans under the care of doctors using antibiotics, steroids and x-rays.

 

It is therefore best just to avoid the toxins FIRST as is also true in pseudoestrogens that are found virtually everywhere, in fragrance, canned foods, plus one major issues that present medical practice is avoiding: the issue of spontaneous abortion in acidosis mother, which seems to be the prevalent issue, at least from my own experience, and the avoidance of the fact that ascorbic acid is an oxidant, while sodium ascorbate is an antioxidant. Conspiracy is hard to cover up if you just have a pocket Oxidation Reduction Potential (ORP) meter to measure their antioxidant level and proved to yourself as well as being sure that the body is in an optimum pH that is prefably alkaline rather than acidosis that causes the body to self-digest proteins that just might remotely lead to spontaneous abortion.

 

In case you don't believe in this controversy of fudge research, I take an example of a British Study that says using headphones does not emit EMF microwave radiation during the use of cellular phone. I thought it was true, but of course, I purchased an EMF detector available at a local cellular phone shop just to be sure.

 

As it turns out the headphones on all cellular I tested that connects to mobile phone became a microwave transmitting antenna that emits a large amount of Electromagnetic Radiation (EMF), that using the headphones can damage the brain (an autopsy of rat's brain you can see the morphological damage within a month using normal cellular use), and hence I try to use handfree mode instead, being a safer choice, or perhaps a bluetooth receiver, might at least reduce the microwave emissions to the head. Interestingly you can also cook boiled eggs using two mobile phones within an hour or so.

 

One other thing concernng miscarriage. All the woman friends I know that had miscarriage operates a microcomputer (during the days of CRT), but some study also found the use of microcomputer increases the chance of abortion, perhaps from the stress of using the computer, I don't know, but I am certain of the radiation emissions from CRT can had an effect too.

 

Ted

 

Folic and B6 reduces miscarriage:

 

Title: Preconception folate and vitamin B(6) status and clinical spontaneous abortion in Chinese women. Author: Ronnenberg, Alayne G : Goldman, Marlene B : Chen, Dafang : Aitken, Iain W : Willett, Walter C : Selhub, Jacob : Xu, Xiping Citation: Obstet-Gynecol. 2002 Jul; 100(1): 107-13 Abstract: OBJECTIVE: To assess the association between preconception homocysteine and B vitamin status and risk of clinical spontaneous abortion in women from Anqing, China. METHODS: All women were aged 21-34 years, had never smoked, and were primigravid. Patients (n = 49) were women with a clinically recognized pregnancy who experienced a fetal death before 100 days' gestation. Controls (n = 409) were women who maintained a pregnancy that ended in a live birth. Homocysteine, folate, and vitamins B(6) and B(12) concentrations were measured in plasma obtained before conception. RESULTS: Mean vitamin B(6) concentration was lower in patients than in controls (34.0 versus 37.9 nmol/L, P =.04). In addition, the risk of spontaneous abortion tended to increase with decreasing plasma vitamin B(6) and folate concentration (P for trend =.06 and.07, respectively), although the significance of these trends was further reduced in logistic models that included age, body mass index, and both vitamins. The risk of spontaneous abortion was four-fold higher among women with suboptimal plasma concentrations of both folate and vitamin B(6) (folate less than or equal to 8.4 nmol/L and vitamin B(6) less than or equal to 49 nmol/L) than in those with higher plasma concentrations of both vitamins (odds ratio 4.1, 95% confidence interval 1.2, 14.4). Homocysteine and vitamin B(12) status were not associated with spontaneous abortion risk. CONCLUSION: Suboptimal preconception folate and vitamin B(6) status, especially when they occur together, may increase the risk of clinical spontaneous abortion. Additional prospective studies are needed to confirm these findings and to determine whether antenatal B vitamin supplementation reduces spontaneous abortion risk.

 

Vitamin C and miscarriage:

 

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=345654

 

Vitamin C Causes Sterility  

The proposed hypothesis in the mid-1970's that Vitamin C might prevent conception and thus reduce fertility in women has not been substantiated, and has been refuted by physicians such as Abraham Hoffer(54). In fact, in experiments carried out in Japan and Ireland(54), it appears that Vitamin C may actually INCREASE fertility and aid in conception, in addition to regulating ovulation and controlling spontaneous abortion in pregnant women(166).

 

On the male side, research indicates that Vitamin C may enhance male fertility. A placebo controlled trial with 30 men conducted by Dawson and co-workers(66) indicated that Vitamin C improved sperm in terms of total count, viability, motility and reduced sperm agglutination."

MIXING ASCORBIC ACID WITH SODIUM BICARBONATE TO GET SODIUM ASCORBATE
09/10/2007: Jacqueline writes: "re: Mixing Ascorbic Acid w/Sodium Bicarbonate to get Sodium Ascorbate -- I tried the suggestion for adding a little bicarbonate to ascorbic acid and water, a little at a time until the fizzing stops. Well.. the fizzing NEVER stopped. Every time I added more, the bicarbonate would go thru the same fizzing reaction, upon coming in contact with the vitamin C. I must have added at least 6 tablespoons of the bicarbonate before I finally figured out the fizzing was never going to stop. Did I misunderstand the instructions?"

HIGH DOSES OF VITAMIN C
04/04/2007: M writes: "I took high doses of Vitamin C with some success but I started having recurrent fever blisters that diminished when I stopped the supplement. Thanks again"

Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "It depends on what kind of vitamin C you are taking. Usually it has to be sodium ascorbate vitamin C and some baking soda. Vitamin C is both a prooxidant and an antioxidant depending on whether it is acid or alkaline. Having problems with vitamin C other than the acid issue has more to do with glandular functions that is impaired, usually heavy metals are high and taking coriander will help remove the heavy metals. The body lacks cortisol, so taking peppermint oil a couple of drops will help reduce that blisters."

MULTI-VITAMIN WITHOUT VITAMIN C
04/02/2007: Sara writes: "Hello, My husband gets cold sores on his lips after taking any kind of vitamin c for a few days. I wondered if you knew any multi-vitamin that Does Not have vitamin c in it. Also why would c cause cold sores, even high amounts of grapefruit seed extract will do it, etc. Thanks for your help"

Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Dear Sara: Get a hair mineral analysis to see what is causing the allergy to vitamin C. Quite often an allergy of any kind, even vitamin C is due to heavy metal toxicity buildup or a chemical toxin buildup. Coriander (chinese parsley) will remove the heavy metals and may restore his ability to take vitamin C, sodium ascorbate only. The issue seems heavy metal buildup and vitamin C toxicity is related to the acidosis condition, where urine pH is below 6, while an optimum urinary pH exists at about 7. Vitamin C is both a prooxidant and an antioxidant. It is the acidic body which cannot tolerate any more acidic vitamin C that might be one of the problem.

The reason why heavy metal toxicity is a possibility is that heavy metals is a free radical and tends to block normal glandular functions. In this case, there is a rise, then a large drop in cortisol that is initiated by the vitamin C, but it gets worse if heavy metals are in the way.

Therefore, try to alkalize first, 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda taken twice a day in 1/2 glass of water. Some minerals can be found microminerals, in a good quality sea salts. Then vitamin A, B, D, and E are purchased separately. The dose for sea salt, which is rich in microminerals or trace elements is 1/4 teaspoon of sea salt, with 1/16 teaspoon of baking soda in 1 liter of drinking water. Use that as a drinking water to normalize the micromineral imbalances. Then during that time, get a hair mineral analysis to see what is causing the problems."

VITAMIN C ALLERGY
12/20/2006: Sarah writes: "Vitamin C Allergy? I take high doses of Vitamin C whenever I get a cold. I always get a rash on my abdomen, breasts and underarms afterward. I don't know if the vitamin C causes it, but I wonder now if the two are linked."

Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Sarah: Often the coloring and fillers do cause reaction. The other is vitamin C should ideally be pH balanced. Often it is not. Usually sodium ascorbate is ideally. Usually best way to deal with a cold is moderation and the use of several supplements. For me it is taking baking soda, sodium ascorbate, and some zinc supplements. Most helpful is zinc acetate/zinc gluconate. Colds are often caught by the hands in about a majority of the cases. Usually simple detergents will kill them since they are alkaline and the detergents will dissolve the protein coating protecting the viruses."

VITAMIN C BETTER THAN ASCORBIC ACID?
10/18/2006: Donna writes: "Ted, Is fat soluble vitamin c (C- ester) better than ascorbic acid? If so why?"

Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Very good question to ask. They are both important. Your body has both fats and liquids inside the body which needs antioxidants to protect you.

If you just take only vitamin C water soluble kinds, the benefits antioxidants will only reach the water soluble portion of your body, but I will never reach the part of the body that has oil soluble components such as the cell structure, certain parts where oil is high, such as the liver, or certain portions of glandular systems. Therefore taking both Ester C and water soluble vitamin C would be most ideal. Of course, Ester C where I live is unobtainable, it is potentially an ideal antioxidants for the non water soluble components such as the retina of the eye and portions of fat soluble which will protect against macular degeneration, fatty tissues of the heart and other places. In fact people with high fat, or are overweight due in fact need more Ester C vitamin than most normal weight people. If your body is high in pathogens and heavy metals both which are fat soluble, this implies our body needs more Ester C than ordinary vitamin C, sodium ascorbate. However, in practice, our body needs both kinds of vitamin C, how much of each depends really on the level of percent fat in your body and the hydration level of your body being a rough guide to how much ester C and how much water soluble vitamin C. Assuming the body fats is 35% and level of hydration is about 45%, assuming, I would estimate you need roughly 35%-40% ester C and 60-65% water soluble vitamin C.

The figures of how much ester C falls closer to the figures of percent fat more than the level of hydration since fat ester C are fat soluble. While hydration levels reflect only solids and water, which can contain bones and to use such figures is not nearly as accurate as the use of fat body composition. Most electronic weighing device today do have this giving you a very rough guide on how much ester C you should take. The exceptions do exist that if you are sick or high in heavy metals, then very likely pathogens of fat soluble and heavy metals will be high. In that case ester C might be more helpful. However, I make it easy. I simply double the dose for both in the same portion based on approximate percent body fat as a rough guideline. How important is each depends on the % you allocate to ester C and to water soluble ascorbic acid.

In taking Ester C, it is in my opinion chewing them would help the absorption due to limited solubility or its limited ability to dissolve in your stomach."

MULTI-VITAMIN WITHOUT VITAMIN C
09/17/2006: Sandy writes: "My daughter who is 34 years of age cannot take Vitamin C. She breaks out in a rash all over her body. Is there a multi vitamin she can take without C?"

Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Sandy: Not sure if your daughter is allergic to vitamin C. If she does not break out in rash eating oranges then it may be from the food coloring contained in the vitamin C you are buying. Switching brands to additive free vitamin C or ones without food coloring should solve the problem. It could also be the food preservative. One possibility is if she is sulfite sensitive (easy to get allergy), taking vitamin B complex should solve the rash issues"

QUESTION ABOUT THE ESTER-C
TC writes: "Question for Ted: Dear Ted, what about ester-c, not the real ascorbic acid ester, but the trademarked version of calcium ascorbate? I used this with ACV because the vitamin c, ascorbic acid, is supposedly buffered by the calcium additive so I thought it would buffer the ACV too. Hadn't come across this site yet. I've used ester-c for years now to help with colds viruses etc. it also has added bioflavanoids. Put it in with the H2O2 because c is free radical scavenger and peroxide causes free O2. Your solution citric acid, lemon juice, and I guess maybe ACV same idea. Isn't malic acid an excellent free radical scavenger? I believe so. Also wonder your thoughts on the myeloperoxidase in phagocytosis. Hyper chloride is what kills the bugs I understand. And bromelain for dissolving protein shells of viruses. Thanx, your research confirms much of what I've thought for years. Very refreshing."

Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Yes, calcium ascorbate can act as a buffer for both ACV, ascorbic acid. You can use this as a pH buffer too.

I've used ester-c for years now to help with colds viruses etc. it also has added bioflavanoids.

Both ester-c you are referring to and the bioflavonoids have antiviral properties. They work together quite well.

Put it in with the H2O2 because c is free radical scavenger and peroxide causes free O2.

When you take vitamin C and antioxidants, you will take it at different times of the day with H2O2. Assuming you take antioxidant in the morning and you take H2O2 in the afternoon. They will both kill the virus, but in different ways. Antioxidants act on your body to do the killing, while H2O2, kills it directly without the need for your immune system's help. Just make sure H2O2 and antioxidants are not taken at the same time. If you insist to take it as close as possible, then it is at least about 2 hours apart. Yes I timed it!

Isn't malic acid an excellent free radical scavenger?

You need to get a Redox meter and measure the millivolts. A negative value means antioxidant, and positive means an oxidant. Then you will know it is the alkalinity and the vitamin C can influence this the most. At about 8 pH of ascorbate it is about -100 millivolts or or more. On this basis this is the most antioxidant on basis of millivolts measurements. A simple lemon with baking soda can easily surpass negative -100 millivolts. Malic acid reacted with alkaline bicarbonate is also antioxidant, but not nearly as powerful as an alkaline form of vitamin C (ascorbic acid + baking soda)."

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