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<title>HYDROGEN PEROXIDE</title>
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<description>[YEA] Catherine  from Dublin, Ireland writes: "Greetings from Dublin, Ireland! Woo hoo, my very first EC posting. 

About 3 weeks ago I developed a slight itch on each eyelid. It progressed slowly, and I ended up with dreadful-looking, red, sore, swollen, slightly flakey eyelids. My eyes drooped, and the skin wrinkled up so much I looked like I'd aged 20 years. I have no idea what caused it; I'm healthy and use all natural, homemade products (soap, shampoo, household cleaners, etc), so I was perplexed. But I also got a bit worried, which isn't like me, and I resolved to go to the doctor in the morning. I haven't seen a doctor in 15 years or so, apart from normal, pregnancy-related check-ups, so it was a big deal for me. But I hadn't given up -- I racked my brains to see if I could come up with a solution, and decided to try food-grade hydrogen peroxide, diluted to 3 per cent. Pretty much as soon as I dabbed a bit onto each eyelid, they felt better. Within an hour or so, the flaming look to them had subsided quite a lot. I kept putting more on, and they just looked better and better. When I woke up, my little boy said, 'mammy, your eyes aren't yucky any more'. Two days later, my eyelids are cured. It must have been some sort of a virus that I knocked on the head. I was thrilled! I have the H2O2 in my fridge for gardening, but it is great for all kinds of things.
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<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 12 16:29:58 -0600</pubDate>
<description> Missy from Columbus, Ohio writes: "I need help for my sagging face is there anything cheap that really WORKS for this, It is really making me depressed and I need help, any one have any good advise.
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<title>OVER THE COUNTER</title>
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<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 11 17:17:39 -0600</pubDate>
<description> Mary from Columbus, Ohio writes: "I read that using pepto bismol on your face gives you a glow and gets rid of dead skin cell. I used it and my face had a nice glow all day it is great. However I was wondering if using it for a long period of time will get rid of wrinkles?
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<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 11 23:33:04 -0600</pubDate>
<description>[YEA] Carlos from Barcelona, Spain writes: "Hi everybody. One month ago I started my quest to rebuild my facial skin. After years and years cleaning only the surface of my skin I had developed enlarged pores. Since I have freckles I usually didn't noticed them and nobody did. But one day I started to wonder if it was just a natural thing and wondered if there was somethign I could do. Of course I knew of those famous brands pore minimizers but I wanted a natural and cheap alternative so I never tried those products.

I begin researching and there was a lot on information on how to unclog pores and black heads, but not that much on how to shrink pores. Most websites said it wasn't possible, just make them appear less noticeable. I started to use the Oil cleansing method. I thought I had a clean face and just large pores. But when I started rubbing coconut oil I had to rub it for hours. And still a lot of stuff was coming out. Then I started using sesame oil (cold pressed) and castor oil.

The best way for this I found was as folows:

First wet my face with warm hot water.

Dry with towel.

Apply castor oil massaging for a minute.

Once again wet with hot water so the oil gets in the pores.

Now dry with a towel, apply castor oil right after and rub with your fingers in circular motion alternating clock direction and reverse.

You will see all the nasty stuff coming out your nose. The stuff you can't actually see but its causing the enlarged clean pores you get to see.

You probably will have to do this for a few days/week, morning and night. Spending between 30min and 45min each time. You won't believe all the dirt coming out of your pores.

When you are done with cleaning your skin inside out you will find yourself with a clean face but large pores. Now it's the time for shrinking the pores. If you try to shrink the pores before doing the oil cleaning method you will only make it worse.

So the best things I've found for shrinking your clean large pores are avocado and the best one Sea Salt water.

Honestly I still can't believe how good this works. I just mix a glass of warm water and 2 tbsp of sea salt. I apply it to the skin, massage a little bit, wait 5min for it to dry and wash it away with warm water. It will give you redness at first, but some time later you will see your pores disappearing. I'm amazed that with only 1 aplication its working this good. So my advice for large pores is- Oil cleansing method using coconut, sesame or castor oil for a few days. Sea salt water for minimizing the clean pores. Give it a try and let me know how it goes.
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 11 09:56:59 -0600</pubDate>
<description> Susie from Palm Desert, Ca writes: "What can I put on my face for the brown spots/possible scars after a chemical peel?
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 11 16:18:22 -0600</pubDate>
<description> Shell  from New Lex, Ohio, Usa writes: "I was wondering if ACV will help sagging skin on face and neck, should I drink it or apply it to my face and neck and how long will it take to work?
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<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 11 10:20:06 -0600</pubDate>
<description>[YEA] Carlos from Barcelona, Spain writes: "Dear EarthClinic,  I feel so proud to be the first sharing this wonderful remedy.

The story on how I discovered this remedy started last month. While at the chinese store I saw a product called bird's nest. I came home researched and its a wrinkle remedy used in Asia. Its suposed to reduce wrinkles and give porcelain skin. The science behind this I read it was birds make nest with their saliva that is collagen rich. Ok so I tried it and it worked. I was going to post that remedy here one of these days.

But yesterday I came across a message board where its said its an old grandmother tip to apply your own saliva in the mornings before eating anything. It said a 70 year old woman could look 50. I did research, very little info could be found in english but this seems to be a spanish/latin beauty tip. There were some testimonials in spanish websites. There is also a study conducted independently about Saliva in history, testimonials etc. Few things that I read that lead me to try it were:

1. Lesions in your mouth heal faster than any other part of your body

2.Dogs apply saliva soon as they are hit by a car

3. Cats keep their hair lustrous just by applying saliva

4. Jesus healed a blind man with saliva

I have tried urine therapy so I thought... what do I have to lose? I'm a natural remedy freak and I love the conecpt of "your own medicine" the human body is the perfect machine.

Ok so I cleaned my face, I rinsed my mouth with water til I felt it was cleaned. If you don't rinse your mouth before it will smell bad when it dries. BUT don't use toothpaste or any other cleaner or food. Use this only mornings since the rest of the day saliva becomes acidic due to digestion etc.

RESULTS: Inmediate relax, skin lightening. Dramatic wrinkle diminish. Soft smooth skin. NO oilness, no stinking, not heavy feel. Not dry skin. Just plain and beautiful porcelain skin.

I also felt a mood uplifting, not sure if it was the results that lead to it or the saliva itself. But I could feel a relaxing positive mood like a pineal gland boost (if you are into meditaiton you know what I mean)

I don't think I'm going to use it much cause I already have light skin. It's wonderful for around the eye area, lightens up your eyes.

Be prepare to have a politically correct excuse for your look cause results are dramatic and surely people will stare at you.

This kind of information have been put to secret by the cosmetic industry. I'm sure they don't allow any book to be published with these kind of info. All this traditional remedies would make the cosmetic industry dissapear for good.

If you are using lemon or any other aggressive lightening method, give this a try.

Good thing is it's not as embarrassing as urine therapy and results are remarkable. I can't say better, just different but tis more convenient and if you are looking for light skin this is your best bet.
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<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 11 21:17:11 -0600</pubDate>
<description> Carlos from Barcelona, Spain writes: "Hello,

After many years assuming I just had large pores naturally, I decided to surf the web looking for a natural solution.

I found a lot of people looking for a way to close the large pores. Other websites advised to first open the pores by exfoliation, hot water scrub, etc. and later seal them with cold water, lemon or any other trick.

What I have found thru trial and error is both were right and wrong in some way. If you try to close your pores, using cold water, lemon, eggs whites etc what you are doing is contributing to make them larger.

So I started experimenting. I did the traditional boiled water and towel experiment. Afterwards, I scrubbed with Baking soda, which is a wonderful cleanser I discovered here in Earthclinic. It helped the pores seemed clean but still very noticeable. My skin felt irritated. My skin was peeling but still the pores were large like craters.

I read somewhere in the web to massage really strong coconut oil. SO I started to massage it with both hands really hard. Little black hairs started to come out as I kept massaging. Things that no scrub or mask had dealt before.

I had seen in youtube a doctor explaining how the pore gets large cause it's closed and the sebum gets trapped in the skin making the pore large.

The coconut oil massaging irritated my skin but I decided to give it a few days since I was seeing the stuff coming out. It felt weird cause I wasn't feeling any pain or scrubbing but all those little black hairs were coming out.

I did this procedure 3 times a day, massaging around 10 minutes applying more oil when it got dry. But instead of applying cold water at the end I decided to rinse with hot water and leave my pores open. Pat dry with a towel and that's it. The first morning after massaging at night I woke up with the oiliest nose I've had in my life. I touched it and it felt as if I put a teaspoon of olive oil in my face. I went to the bathroom, cleaned with hot water and baking soda and once again used the coconut oil. To my surprise more black hairs were coming out. The night before I stopped massaging when no more stuff was coming out. So I started to realize all the mess that was going on beneath my skin. And I realized most people clean only the visible part of the skin using scrubs, etc.

So I kept washing with baking soda, massaging coconut oil and ending with hot water. Sunday I forgot to do it all together. Monday I went to the bathroom and washed my face with hot water, it was enough to get rid of some dead cells that leave space to a completely new and soft skin in my nose area. I never thought that I could get rid of those large pores and this fast. I got rid of all the large pores in my cheeks and nostrils I only have some in the tip of the nose but definitely smaller.

At noon, cleansed my skin with hot water just rubbing my fingers and at night I have massaged my skin with coconut oil . Again those litttle black hairs or whatever thay are came out. I spent my 10 minutes. I feel amazed to glide my fingers around my nose area and don't feel any pore.

I forgot to mention that I also took about 2 tbspons of coconut oil daily for 2 days. But I think the massaging is what made the difference.

So people don't focus on your outside skin, baking soda can do a good work removing sebum in the outside and cleaning the enlarged pores but if you really want to get rid of the large pores you need the stuff inside the folicle to come out. And I haven't found anything more effective and safer than coconut oil massaging.

I think some people just apply coconut oil as a moisturizer hoping for it to close the pores. Like I said your focus should not be to close the pores. Your focus should be keep them open for as many hours as you can. Always use hot water. When you do that all the stuff will come out in a matter of days and then the pore will naturally wrink. That's the way to go. The other way you will only make them look smaller temporarily but you are closing the pore which makes all that sebum stay inside the follicle and enlarge the pore further.
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<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 11 01:25:54 -0600</pubDate>
<description>[YEA] Organic Queen from Chandler, Az writes: "I wanted to share my results of the brown sugar scrub for the face. I almost forgot about how powerful this facial is, I did adjust mine by adding 1 tsp. dark buckwheat honey, 1 tbsp brown sugar, himalayan sea salt or you can use any organic sea salt, &amp; a 1/2 tsp of spring water to form a nice liquid paste. Apply liberally to face &amp; neck. I left it on approx. 20 min, and before washing off completely- gave a gentle scrub all over the face, not too rough.. Then wash w/lukewarm water and pat dry. The end results are stunning, its the best natural exfolialtion to remove dead skin cells. The only other item I put on is grapeseed oil-what a combo! But don't overdo it, exfoliate only 2x a week or even once a week to give your skin time to rejuvenate. I wish all the best and good luck.
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<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 11 14:54:50 -0600</pubDate>
<description> Grace from Ternat, Belgium writes: "Home remedy wanted! My skin gets oily and greasy after just a few hours of washing, and this causes acne. Any suggestions please?
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<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 11 21:06:56 -0500</pubDate>
<description> Nancy from Bh, Ca writes: "I am 58 years old and in the last year my skin seems loose &amp; droopy. I have just lost 20 pounds and my body looks like I am a 80 year old woman. What can I do?? I don't drink much water..... Can this be my issue? I am in a state of panic after seeing myself in a full length mirror. Any advice?
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<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 11 19:05:27 -0500</pubDate>
<description> Carla from Cape Town, Western Cape writes: "hi! Read a few articles on using hydrogen peroxide on my face.. I bought a bottle today and the bottle states 6%.. Is it ok for me to use this on my face? Also, how often do use it? Thank you, Carla
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 11 22:07:47 -0500</pubDate>
<description> Olga  from Humble, Tx, Usa writes: "I am 53 years old and I have sun damage on my face, like dark spots, some crows feet on eyes and puffines and around the mouth. I know its my age, I have heard of Alpha Hydroxy with retinol. But I'm lost- don't know what to buy and afford. If anyone can help please!!!! My email: olgatorres0929(at)gmail.com Thanks so much.
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 11 07:37:20 -0500</pubDate>
<description>[YEA] Bear Cary from Halifax, Nova Scotia writes: "I stopped messing around with pricey face washes. I use now: dove beauty bar and sandalwood powder, and tone with rosewater. Best skin in years!
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<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 11 17:23:49 -0500</pubDate>
<description> Jaye from Ogema, Sask. Canada writes: "can I get the formula for external application of Apple Cider Vinegar to the face?
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<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 11 09:55:10 -0500</pubDate>
<description> Becki from Plano, Tx writes: "I have a relatively healthy complexion, but for whatever reason the skin on my legs is very sensitive. Whenever I shave, I always get razor-bumps and it almost looks like my razor is cutting into where some of the follicles are because I'll get tiny dot-like scabs along where the hair is suposed to grow. Is there any way to make shaving easier and to make my skin stop reacting so badly?
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<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 11 18:36:27 -0500</pubDate>
<description> Relish  from Mumbai, India writes: "Hi I am looking for Brown Sugar Face mask recipe but unable to find it through the search Engine. Has it been deleted? Can someone share it? Thanks a lot.
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<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 11 16:36:46 -0500</pubDate>
<description>[YEA] Shine from Gabz, Botswana writes: "My 8 month old daughter had horrible diaper rash that got raw and was peeling and at some point was itching. I tried coconut oil, collodial silver gel from my "toolkit" (Read: Earthclinic) but they didnt work. I also tried some OTC treatments and they worked for a little bit but it wouldn't clear. 

This weekend I decided to try lanolin that I had bought for my cracked nipples that I got when I started breastfeeding. It is working like a charm, her bummy is getting smoother, is healing and not itching at all! I used the type that was intended for cracked nipples and it works so well. So after wiping her bottom during a nappy change, I smear the stuff on and thereafter put on some zinc oxide cream over that. Its working quite well.
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<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 11 00:06:43 -0500</pubDate>
<description> Peggy from Santee, California, Us writes: "For almost a year now I've had some sort of skin irritation on my neck &amp; chest. I'm 59 years old and so my skin isn't perfect by any means but this began suddenly and I thought it could of been stress but it's still bothering me. When it first started it was a SCARLET red large splotch on middle of my neck (of course right where the wrinkles are) and red splotches all over my chest area and some red on my chin. The irritation and itching was almost unbearable. My regular doctor gave me some extra strength cortizone cream and I was desperate to do whatever would give me relief so I used it. It did help and I used it for two weeks.

Since then the horrible scarlet isn't there and it's not unbearable but the RED is still there and it's always feeling irritated. Before I've began my own search for more natural ways to treat these things I made an appt. with the dermatologist. Well that was a big mistake! He really didn't know what it was caused by because every question he asked me..... Did I change any laundry products or foods or vitamins or creams or wear jewelry or..... All were negative answers! I've made no changes to cause this and I'm not constantly in the sun and wear sunscreen should I go in sun and why is it only on this one area of my body? So this dermotologist prescribed a different cream. I tried it FOR ONE DAY and threw it away! The area which was suppose to be treated for redness and irritation because firey red and felt like it was on fire! So I looked up the medication and it was some sort of steriod with tons of side effects! NO WAY am I using that! 

so I'm asking for any suggestions and advice of what this may be and what to use that will help! I live in Southern California and summer is quickly approaching and with two grandsons to care for daily I can't hide in my house!
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 11 22:21:43 -0500</pubDate>
<description> Trudy from Chapin, Sc writes: "Has anyone use CeraVe for cleansing the skin? My doctor recommended this.
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<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 11 18:10:23 -0500</pubDate>
<description>[YEA] Kathie from Houston, United States writes: "The following are some of the things that have worked very well for me in taking care of my skin from youth to now (age 45).

In my youth, my dermatologist prescribed 50,000 I. U. S of VITAMIN A per day for my acne. This worked well, but after a while I began to experience extreem hair loss (too much of a good thing). So I began to apply it topically, I had even better results.

Because my mom practically raised me at our local health food store, we followed the recommendations of the store owner, TEA TREE OIL, applied after cleansing. I loved this stuff and still use it on occasion.

Mom also steamed her face regularly with SENNA LEAVES, I also did this. However, I was young and not that smart... I thought the heat was what was helping my skin so I began to wash my face with extreemly hot water (do not do this! I broke a ton of blood vessels on my face and no, those never went away).

Later, I found facial cleansers with SALICYLIC ACID and this helped a great deal. Look for one that is natural.

Now that I am older (43) I do not have the acne problems, Just wanting to keep my youth. I rarely use cleansers (only when I wear makeup), I just exfoliate with BAKING SODA, then I use an ALGAE EXTRACT solution (this has algenic acid that helps to lightly exfoliate). It is important to exfoliate (we need to get the dead skin off so our skin can better ABSORB MOISTURE). Algae extract is also packed with minerals that also benefit our skin (when our skin is mineralized it can better HOLD MOISTURE). (I have used algae extract for the last 15 years and can truely see a difference in my skin and my girl friends' skin). I follow up with one of three oils: JOJOBA OIL (they say it is most like our skins natural skin "oils"), SHEA BUTTER (I use the unrefined stuff from Africa... this is great stuff for dry winters), or COCONUT OIL.

I am currently experimenting with applying powdered VITAMIN C mixed with a touch of water (Vit. C helps build collegen). And today I am starting to supplement with ASTAXANTHIN. After reading an article on how well it works for wrinkles. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/05/25/sunscreen-and-wrinkle-prevention-in-a-pill.aspx

I also just ordered a book on FACIAL EXERCISES (15 minutes a day... I can do this, I hope! ).

My mom is a HOT MOMA, I owe a lot to her, for her knowledge and her genes.
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<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 11 11:00:04 -0500</pubDate>
<description> Francisca  from Michelbach-le-bas, Alsace, France writes: "To the lady who asked questions about products without glycerin, including toothpaste. I found a moisturizing oil from Weleda which doesn't have any, neither it has lanolin which also seems to dry your skin. No idea whether the rest of the ingredients is safe. I bought it in France so I have no idea what the exact name might be in English speaking countries but it is a harmonizing Rose oil. Nothing else for the moment but I will keep you informed. I haven't used it yet so I don't know whether it works or not.
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<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 11 16:37:45 -0500</pubDate>
<description> Heaven  from Plano, States writes: "i had been experiencing large pores , due to my very oily skin. what i used was very simple and you normally always have in the home. plain ole eggs- i would make sure that the egg is beat very well and apply it on my skin usually every other day. cleanse the skin throughly first i use a soap that is made by black opal which exfoliates- i love it so much i have to refrain from using it daily and it helps with blemishes and oily skin. and , yes u will feel the skin tightening as it starts to dry.
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<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 11 11:44:03 -0500</pubDate>
<description> Rebel from City Street, Ga / Usa writes: "Has anyone had experiences with lye soap for skin conditions? And what results to expect? Any info would be appreciated.
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<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 11 18:26:53 -0500</pubDate>
<description>[YEA] Patrick  from Maspeth, Queens writes: "I cant believe that Americans do not know about 100% natural Irish Peat mask for treating eczema. psoriasis, acne. The Irish Peat mask is the best because Ireland has the only raised bogs in the world. It only takes a little research. There is countless studies in Europe from Labs Professors, University's all over. Peat is one of the most potent natural healing Substances. Its not hard to get it here in America now. I am not in a position to let a lot of people know about this But maybe you are drug Companys will hate you for it Kindest Regards Pat O carroll
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