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Natural Remedies to Cure or Treat Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis
Idiopathic (which means unknown cause) pulmonary fibrosis is a disease of the lower respiratory tract that damages the air sacs and leads to a reduced transfer of oxygen to one's blood. As such, it causes widespread scarring of the lungs. The condition is thought to result from an inflammatory response to an unknown (hence idiopathic) agent.
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[BETTER BUT NOT CURED] 10/10/2009: Red from Edmonds, Washington: "After reading your informtion on different herbal and remedies for Pulmonary Fibrosis, I am willing to share our information to try and help others.
My partner was diagnosed with Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis. Or UPF..The radiologists are not sure which type it is on the catscan and would like him to have a lung biopsy. Which at this time, he is not willing to do. Last November after seeing an M.D., they told him he had Pneumonia (which now the pulmonary doctors say he "never had", but has IPF.. And this November will be a year. 2009
He is taking 2 Chinese herbs, Clear Air (Perilla Fruit) AND Cordyceps PS (Dong Chong Xia Cao) One in the morning and one at night. Also NAC (N-A CETYL-CYSTEINE) 600 MG. one in morn. and one at night.
He perceives that this has improved his breathing, as before he was only able to climb 3 flights of stairs and now can do at least 5 flights of stairs. And the oxygen levels have improved, according to doctors tests.
After reading the testimonils of others on this site and Ted's info, we're interested in pursueing other remidies as well.
Positive thinking is everyones focus. Never giving up!"
Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide
[YEA] 03/05/2008: jimmy vou from DALLAS, Texas: "Pulmonary Fibrosis. For the past 11 days I have been taken 35% up to 75 drops daily. My lungs are in the process of being cured. my ears are begining to open once again. My chest is beginning to feel almost in order once again. Amen! I have additional energy, breathing is coming back in short spans, yet it is coming back... The Doctors reports as of 2 weeks back is Cancer in the Lung... Yet, I mentioned the product to him, and he made another apointment for the 31st of this month. I will let you know."Replies
05/14/2008: Zambo from Sydney, Australia replies: "Pulmonary Fibrosis: Has the gentleman who was taking 3.5% H/Peroxide (75 drops in water daily) reported any further progress in his IPF and is the 75 drops spread over a number of drinks during the day or does he take it as one single does? Would you kindly direct these questions to him, if at all possible. I will be checking daily to see if he has sent a reply, or you could give him my e/m address if you like as I am most interested in his outcomes."
06/14/2008: Lynda Z. from Fort Worth, Texas replies: "I am interested in the gentleman who used hydrogen peroxide for the pulmonary fibrosis. My husband has this -- was diagnosed 3 years ago -- so I am interested in this gentleman's progress. Thank you."
06/17/2008: Patti from Greenfield, USA replies: "6/17 I am also very interested in jimmy you from Dallas's progress with taking Hydrogen Peroxide. My father-in-law is on 24-7 oxygen and would like to give him any information that could/would improve his life. Thanks. PM"
08/10/2008: Lubomir from Surrey BC, Canada replies: "How is Jimmy Vou from Dallas doing with his peroxide treatment doing this days? I am interested to know since I have been diagnosed
With PF just recently. Thank you"
[YEA] 09/14/2009: Jimmy from Dallas, Tx 75243 replies: "My name is Jimmy Vou... I've had Pulmonary Fibrosis since 2005... A little over five (5) years.. February 2008 I can to the point that my chest started to cave in... You could hear my breathing down the street... I thought I was in the pathway of Going Home to meet my Jesus... Amen...! But something told me to start searching the Net for some type of solution that could either help "me" or just say goodbye...
It was about 3 days after I started taking Hydrogen Peroxide 35% Food Grade... that my lungs started to become normal once again... My breathing was starting to open up once again... My throat and face started to feel much better... About 4 months later I stopped, and I believe approximately 30 days later the latter was returning... so I immediately started taking Hydrogen Peroxide 35% Food Grade...
Since then, I have been wonderment to many people including my Doctors... They at first told me to stop taking H.P. 35% Food Grade, that it wasn't any good for me. I asked them if they had the same disease as mine would you at least try something that might help... Each one at different time shut-up... Now they are asking me how I feel. I tell them all... I'm still here doing all I can to strengthen my ability to stay in the condition until I get better then I am today... The last doctor I talked with, he told me that I had about another 3 to 4 years left... I just turned 70. And I feel good... Amen!
If there is any information that could be helpful, please don't hesitate to contact me...
09/22/2009: Becky from Austin, Tx replies: "pulmonary fibrosis - I am confused as to what "food grade" hydrogen peroxide is? Jummy Vu said he used 35%, Ted from Bankok says about 4%.. How much do you take at once and how often?"
EC: Hi Becky,
Food grade is 35% hydrogen peroxide, which must diluted down to (at least) 3% or 4% with distilled water. Read more about it: http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/hydrogen_peroxide.html
11/12/2009: Dileep from Rajkot, Gujarat State, India replies: "I request Mr. Jimmy to advise me the exact dosage of the Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide. I'm sufferring from IPF. Please convey my e-mail id to him and help me get his response.
Thanks and regards."
03/21/2011: Good Samariatn from Simi Valley, California, Usa replies: "New addition to the list of IPF patients, since Jan. 2011. the first thing out from the hospital and I stumbled upon this site (and some others as well) for alternative treatment.
I have been trying many of them especially the ones that have some clear instruction and or logical possibility of helping the lungs. So far nothing proven to be beneficial. I am planning to continue Super bio Curcumin, and licorice root caps twice a day and drop serrapeptase and nattokinase. BTW I am able to get and taking Pirfenidone 200 which is by far the best proven alternative in medical science.
I suggest if anyone wants to be helpful to the sufferers of this dreaded disease, please be specific, detailed in terms of your experience or suggestion. None of the anecdotes here are being specific in terms of preparation and use of the alternative treatment. I. E. Aloe vera, D-Mannose, sodium perborate, Vitamin B3, H2O2 0.5% etc. You could actually cause some harm to those who read and try instead of helping them."
03/22/2011: Maria from Gippsland, Australia replies: "Isn't Pirfenidone a new drug that was fast tracked by the FDA to get approval?"
09/02/2011: Liz from Las Vegas, Nv replies: "The best way to use HP is:
The program outlined is only a suggestion, but it is based on years of experience, and reports from thousands of users. Those who choose to go at a slower pace can expect to progress more slowly, but that certainly is an option. The program is not carved in stone and keep in mind that it can be adapted to fit individual needs. Individuals who have had transplants should not undertake an H202 program. H202 stimulates the immune system and could possibly cause a rejection of the organ.
Day # -Number of Drops/ Times Per Day
1 - 3 / 3
2 - 4 / 3
3 - 5 / 3
4 - 6 / 3
5 - 7 / 3
6 - 8 / 3
7 - 9 / 3
8 - 10 / 3
9 - 12 / 3
10 - 14 / 3
11 - 16 / 3
12 - 18 / 3
13 - 20 / 3
14 - 22 / 3
15 - 24 / 3
16 - 25 / 3
In most situations after the above 21 day program, the amount of H202 can be tapered off gradually as follows:
25 drops once every other day for 1 week
25 drops once every third day for 2 weeks
25 drops once every fourth day for 3 weeks
This can then be reduced to between 5 and 15 drops per week based on how one feels. Those with more serious problems will often benefit from staying on 25 drops three times a day for one to three weeks, then tapering down to 25 drops two times daily until the problem is resolved (possibly as long as six months). Those with chronic systemic Candidiasis may need to start with 1 drop three times a day, then 2 drops three times a day before starting the above schedule. It is important that H202 be taken on an empty stomach. This is best accomplished by taking it either one hour before meals or three hours after meals. If there is food in the stomach, the reaction of H202 on any bacteria present may cause excess foaming, indigestion, and possibly even vomiting. Additionally, some animal research indicates that when H202 given orally combines with iron and small amounts of vitamin C in the stomach, hydroxyl radicals are created (J Inorg Biochem 89;35(1):55-69). The bleach-like aftertaste of H202 can be lessened by chewing one of the sugar-free cinnamon gums. Some individuals taking H202 immediately before bedtime have a difficult time getting to sleep. This is probably due to a sense of alertness triggered by an increase of oxygen at the cellular level. The oral dosage schedule is basically the same for all conditions. There are several points to keep in mind, however.
Some individuals may experience upset stomach. If this occurs it is recommended that one not stop the program, but rather remain at the current dosage level or reduce it to the previous level until the problem stops. (Some patients have been able to solve the nausea problem by taking three or four lecithin capsules at the same time they take the H202. ) During the program it's not uncommon to experience what is known as a healing crisis. As dead bacteria and toxins are released from your body it may temporarily exceed your capacity to eliminate them quickly enough. In some individuals this overload may cause fatigue, diarrhea, headaches, skin eruptions, cold or flu-like symptoms, and/or nausea. One should not discontinue using the peroxide to stop this cleansing. By continuing the program, toxins will clear the body sooner and this healing crisis will pass rather quickly.
If you are not already taking vitamin E and an acidophilus product, I recommend starting them before going on H202. Vitamin E can make more efficient use of any oxygen available and acidophilus will help re-establish the beneficial bacterial flora in the lower bowel and also help in the internal production of hydrogen peroxide."
09/02/2011: Ann from Anywhere, Usa replies: "what percent hydrogen peroxide is this dosage list for? thanks"
09/10/2011: Harry from Ft.lauderdale, Florida. Usa replies: "Do you have to take the 35% food grade HP and dilute to 3% and then take the recomended # of drops directly in the mouth with a dropper or can you add it to water or juice?"
02/26/2012: Carthian from Racine, Wisconsin, United States replies: "My dad has pulmonary fibrosis, he is being treated witht he regular medicines, if some can tell me that there are some successes with h2o2 ? I don't want to give him something that can harm him even further."
02/08/2013: Margaret from Ronan, Montana replies: "The above drop schedule is for 35% into distilled water or juice. A full glass of water (4 to 8 oz.) is recommended. So it would be 3 drops (35%) into glass of water or juice, on empty stomach 3 times a day... etc... as the schedule indicates. So at this dilution it should be well under 3%, to start off with anyway.
If you need to dilute it, recommendations are 1 part h202 to 11 parts distilled water. This will make 3%.
35% can cause discomfort if gotten on skin, so use caution. It will whiten the skin and cause sharp nerve pain, which can be lessened by running under cold water. It usually doesn't last very long.
35% taken orally straight can cause a trip to the doctor, so don't do it. :)
Oh, and I'm not an expert, just relaying what I know from what I've read and experienced."
[YEA] 02/18/2013: Dick from Homosassa, Fl. Usa replies: "I usually don't do this but it may help someone to make a comparison. I am trying the H202 therapy. I reduced the food grade H202 to 3%(per instuctions) & I was given a small compressor (rented through Medicare for another treatment) and I "smoke" the vapors for once a day to start. Iuse about half a thimble of the mixture. I can't tell whether it is my imagination but I seem to feel better and I am producing a more productive cough than with the other meds that I've tried (TV commercials). I'm pretty active with walking giving most of my troubles. I'll be seeing a pulmonary specialist next week and see what he recommends for his treatment and then I'll drop this on him to get his reaction. I'm not too overly concerned about my future but I'll be damned if I don't give it a shot.
03/15/2013: Piyujain from Indore, M.P. India replies: "My Father is suffering from IPF and he is on Oxygen 24 hrs now with a flow rate of 4 LPM. I am looking for Alternative therapy and came to know about Hydrogen Peroxide therapy. Please suggest me whether I should try this for my father and does it have any side effects. Also let me know from where I can get this. Regards"
07/06/2011: Clarence Clemons from Los Angeles, Ca: "What do you know about vilac plus and where can it be purchased. Does it work for pulmonary fibrosis?"Replies
10/11/2012: Weddy from Houston, Tx, Us replies: "Some of my family has gout, so we're quite familiar with medications and alternatives. So when my father with pulmonary fibrosis was given a prescription for a "gout medicine", we were all confused - did Daddy get gout older than other family members? After asking a few of his hospice nurses, one finally knew the actual reason: Protein breaking down produces purines, and lung tissues break down more quickly with advanced pulmonary fibrosis, therefore producing more purines. AND since purines aggravate pulmonary fibrosis, it becomes a snowball/avalanche, so they've found that using gout medications helps slow the avalanche of purines.
Back to gout and alternative treatments. Although vinegar is an acid, it actually alkalizes the body. So when gout sufferers alkalize their body, their blood can hold more uric acid in the blood (as a liquid), so the uric acid crystals in their joints and organs (lungs in Daddy's case) disolve into their blood better. If they're able to clear this liquid uric acid via their kidneys, yay keep drinking vinegar. But not all gout sufferers can clear uric acid as efficiently as others - even if disolved in their blood.
Supposedly anthocyanins helps to clear disolved uric acid from the body. Anthocyanins come from darkly colored foods like blackberries, blueberries, sour cherries, black eggplant skins, turtle bean broth (not the beans, just the liquid after cooking).
So I'm guessing that using both vinegar and dark foods together might help my brother who has gout, but also my father who now has uric acid issues from his pulmonary fibrosis. I'm thinking a drink with mashed blackberries or blueberries in water, with a little apple cider vinegar, and a bit of stevia as needed would make a tasty, medicinal drink.
Thank you for listing other nutraceuticals and supplements - I went through your page and found most on Amazon, so I can send Daddy a package thru them - He loves natural cures (he lives very remotely, so Amazon is nice, since we can't take a plane or bus to visit him, and I'd like to send him the supplements/nutraceuticals before I can arrange to make the trip with our older vehicle)."
04/22/2013: Arpit from Brisbane, , Australia: "Hi, I'm Indian origin and my dad 61 years old was Diagnosed with IPF around one and half years back, we started the treatment straight away which helped him cope the initial stage, but his breathing issue becomes worst in winters overall he was doing alright until recently he was in fever all the time and now the doctors are saying this is because of phenomia prescribed medicines are not working.
I'm new to this site and want to know what are the other natural treatments along with the antibiotics doctors are giving him.
Thanks in Advance, Arpit"
10/31/2011: Guru from Toronto, Ontario, Canada: "Hi
My mother - 70 years of age has been diagonsed with IPF (pulmonary fibrosis) - I saw 2 type of cures on your website.
a) Aloe Vera and Apple Cider Vinegar
b) Hydrogen peroxide.
Can these be done simultaneously? Secondly, do they have any side effects?
11/16/2011: Ani from Singapore replies: "Hi, Where we can find the ALOE VERA OIL? Please let me know asap, as my mother is diagonized with IPF. I'm already giving her the Indian Pennyworth, grinded and extracted the juice. And also Apple cider vinegar(Organic).
Thanks & Regards, Ani"
11/30/2011: Shriekanth from Singapore/mumbai, Singapore/india replies: "Hi Ted & Everyone,
My Mom, 58 was diagnosed with IPF in May 2010. Since then from 8hrs oxygen only at night, now she is on 24hrs Oxygen almost completely bedridden and lung capacity reducing. She had Pulmonary Exacerbation on Dec 31st 2010 and was in ICU for nearly 15 days and had further weight loss of 8kgs and since last 9 months same around 32-33kgs and severely malnourished like appearance even though is on protein rich diet, Pirfenidone (1200mg/day)NAC. Her recent CT scan 3 months back showed disease has progressed and 1 weeks back ABG reads pCo2 at 59 and pO2 at 74 whic is acidosis and Spo2 at 98 at 3ltr/min oxygen through concentrator. She is currently based in Hyderabad, India. Please request to help and share your results after taking :-
-Aloevera Oil; Kindly indicate dosage, method and if available in India
- Apple Cidar Vinegar; dosage and method
- Brahmi leaves
-Hydrogen Peroxide Food grade; Avalaibility in India, ideal dosage and method.
Please feel free to reach me at 65 97906589 anytime or drop an email.
PS: Ani let me know where u are in Singapore and would like to meet you personally and share exp and treatment. Thx"
01/25/2012: Yusuf from Kirishi, Leningrad, Russia replies: "Dear Shriekanth, We have bought Esbriet (Pirfenidone ). My father 67 years old and now is in hospital. He will start to use Esbriet soon. As I understand your mother also used Pirfenidone. Do you think it is not useful?"
03/07/2012: Carthian from Racine, Wisconsin replies: "I live in the US and I bought esbriet as well, at this point I don't care if it does not help or now, I'll give it a shot anyway, my dad has been getting worse by the day, unfortunately not any of the natural medicine works.. I have tried everything, aloe oil, apple vinegar, cerracor x and cerra, I am afraid the day is coming for my dad."
08/11/2012: Andrew from Miller, Sd replies: "My father - 76 years of age has been diagonsed with IPF (pulmonary fibrosis) - I saw 2 type of cures on your website.
a) Aloe Vera and Apple Cider Vinegar
b) Hydrogen peroxide
What have the results been for others who have been using these products for over 2 years and are there side effects. Thanks to everyone for any help.
06/01/2009: Predcoat from Houston, Texas U S A.: "My wife was recently diagnosed with IPF. We are currently doing a series of Hydrogen peroxide IVs and Taking Serrapeptase,MSC and COQ10. She is also on nightly Oxygen. I am concerned that the oxygen may become habitual and may even be a detriment. We are hoping for a cure or at least a stop in progression. What do you recomend? Thanks Jack."Replies
10/05/2009: Becky from Austin, Tx replies: "My mother also lives in Houston and Has IPF. Have you had any success with your treatment(s)? Thank you - Becky"
10/05/2009: Loren from Queens, Ny replies: "This message is for Becky from Austin: I am not sure but I believe I had read a post by Ted somewhere on earth clinic where he had mentioned that using aloe oil/ aloe vera can help with your mom's illness. Maybe earth clinic can help you locate the post. Hope this helps. God bless."
EC: Ted mentions it here: http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/pulmonary_fibrosis.html#TED
09/01/2010: Predcoat from Houston, Texas replies: "Since my letter of 6/1/09 we have been doing a variety of remedies for my wife's IPF. I feel we are progressing slowly with NAC, Enzymes, MSM etc. I can't say it's a cure but we couldn't do nothing. I am hoping for several more years together and am still looking for more methods to make her life better. The cooler weather will be a plus."
09/13/2010: Amarendra from Bangalore, Karnataka, India: "I am thankful to Ms. Deirdre Layne for the information supplied through your website. I have seen three letters from Jimmy of Dallas, Texas who has informed that he has been cured from his pulmonary fibrosis by taking 35% food grade H2O2 in his two letters, at the same time he has written in one of his letter dated 05. 17. 2008 that he has been cured through oil-pulling. Are all these 3 letters written by the same person? In case oil-pulling method, how long Jimmy had been suffering from the disease and how long it took to him for complete healing? Is there any other testimonials on the success of oil pulling method for treating pulmonary fibrosis. Kindly inform. Thanks."
EC: Read all about Oil Pulling here: http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/oil_pulling.html
[YEA] 05/17/2008: Jimmy from Dallas, Texas: "I have pulmonary fibrosis a lung disease that HAS no cure.Yet, since I have been on Sunflower Oil (cold pressed & Unrefined) my lungs within 4 days begain to have a healing effect that even the Doctor's don't quite understand?! What this oil is doing for my Lungs is or has brought back my Breathing as I have never expected. I had Cancer in my right lung and this oil has completely healed it completely... Amen! If you are interested in the healing of your lungs... please go to the health store and purchase one (1) bottle of this oil and place it within your mouth and swish it around until it turns white; spit it out and then brush your teeth and wash your mouth with tooth paste... As well look on the Net for: "Oil Pulling Cure" and learn what it will do for you... Jimmy."
EC: Read all about Oil Pulling here: http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/oil_pulling.html
05/31/2008: Stuart from Ottawa, Ontario Canada replies: "Are there any updates to Jimmy from Dallas re Pulmonary Fibrosis article? I have the same condition, but there is very little user experiences articles to read."
02/21/2012: Alka from Gurgaon, India replies: "Any news from Jimmy of Dallas Texas ? How are you? My husband has pulmonary fibrosis. Have you tried serrapeptase too? Has oil pulling helped you? How are you now?"
08/11/2012: Andrew from Miller, Sd replies: "Any news from Jimmy of Dallas Texas ? How are you? My father has pulmonary fibrosis. Have you tried serrapeptase too? Has oil pulling helped you? How are you now?"
05/17/2011: Sweetdevilwitch from Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei Darussalam: "Good day to you. How are you? I have my yearly x-ray last march, and the result were alarming I got a small pulmonary calcification but on my x-ray last year I dont have any problem. What should I do to get rid this calcification?"
Pulmonary Fibrosis Remedies
04/29/2013: Nikul from Mumbai, Maharashtra: "Dear Ted, My Mom has been diagnosed with pulmonary fibrosis 1.5 years ago. She has been taking Pirfenex and other medicines along with natural supplements.
She is on 5Ltr oxygen concentrator 24 hour with Bipap machine and can only maintain 70% of her oxygen when she is walking... When she is quiet it goes up to 87%... She coughs a lot and she is very exhausted when she does her sputum is very sticky and stuck somewhere in throat."Replies
04/30/2013: Joy from Battleground, Wash replies: "Please read Dr. Batmanghelidj book called ABC OF ASTHMA ALLERGIES & LUPUS. He has some very wonderful information on how the body works and how to maximise your health even if you are dying, come back to life. Water, salt, minerals, nutrients in the right proportions and at the right time for the body to be optimum health.. hope you get to have your mother for years to come ..."
11/28/2008: Ron from 0keechobee, USA: "has anybody had any real success treating idiopathic pulmonary fibrosus with any of the remedys listed on this site? "Replies
03/18/2009: Priya from Bangalore, India replies: "My mom aged 60 is suffering from Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis since 7 years . Has anyone been successful in curing this disease so far? Please let me know."
12/03/2012: Ketan from Oxford, United Kingdom: "Dear Sir/Madam, One of my close family member is recently diagnosed with Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis. I am searching for cure. Most of search showed results which were not in favour of cure. I am very much interest to know if you offer any treatment for above mentioned condition along with risks and benefits, cost and brief mechamism by which treatment works. Your guidance will be of great help in reducing morbidity and prolonging life. Looking forward to hear from you. Sincere gratitude, Ketan"Replies
12/04/2012: Timh from Louisville, Ky, Usa replies: "Ketan: search for Professor Derik Mann at Newcastle University studies on fibrosis. Very promising preliminary results w/ several different pharmaceutical drugs and some naturals or nutritional substances."
09/13/2012: Rahim from El Dorado Hills, California, Usa: "Ted, Jimmie vue, and or anyone who has knowledge of what has been helping (IPF) I had my mother use enzymes serracor nk. & serraptees bundle from (biomedic labs) in the past 6 months. She feels a little better than before but still remains on co2/24 hrs. With out any other changes. Please let me know if there is some thing else I can do to help my mother of 5 yrs. IPF get better. I am planing to replace the above regimens with Neprinol and start using the below new substances I read from the providers of the earthclinic. N-Acetylcysteine, hydrogen proxide, Alovera oil, and the Apple cider vinigar, Please I need your utmost opinion and how else may I help my mother get to walk a little further with lesser need for co2. I would be most greatfull to earth clinic and all of its responding members. Thanks in advance, Rahim from California."
09/10/2012: Rahim from El Dorado Hills, California: "Ted, Jimmie vue, and or anyone who has knowledge of what has been helping (IPF) I had my mother use enzymes serracor nk. & serraptees bundle from (biomedic labs) in the past 6 months. She feels a little better than before but still remains on co2/24 hrs. with out any other changes. Please let me know if there is some thing else I can do to help my mother of 5 yrs. IPF get better. I am planing to replace the above regimens with Neprinol and start using the below new substances I read from the providers of the earthclinic. N-Acetylcysteine, hydrogen proxide, Alovera oil, and the Apple cider vinigar, Please I need your utmost opinion and how else may I help my mother get to walk a little further with lesser need for co2. I would be most greatfull to earth clinic and all of its responding members. Thanks in advance, Rahim from California."
04/04/2012: William from Moscow, Idaho, Usa: "I have pulmonary fibrosis. I need a cure or anything as close as it can get to a cure. Please find out for me everything you can to prolong my life. My doctor says that my case is severe. I am interested in lung stem cell injections. Please get back to me with any information that may have on this. William bearinok1(at)yahoo.com"