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Table of Contents
- QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
- Apple Cider Vinegar
- Apple Cider Vinegar, Cod Liver Oil, Alpha Lipoic Acid
- Apple Cider Vinegar, Lemon Juice
- Apple Cider Vinegar, Onion Juice
- Apricot Kernel Oil
- Baking Soda
- Beta Carotene, Oregano Oil
- Dermal Melasma
- General Feedback
- Glycolic Acid
- Grape Seed Extract, Vitamins
- Grapefruit Seed Extract
- Grapefruit Seed Extract, MSM
- GSE, MSM, Zinc
- Herb Tea
- Hormone Cause
- Horseradish, Grapefruit Seed Extract
- Hydrogen Peroxide
- Kapalbhati Pranayam
- Melasma Creams That Don't Work
- Microdermabrasion Treatments
- MSM, Apple Cider Vinegar
- MSM, Gluthathione, Vit C, GSE
- MSM, Grape Seed Extract
- MSM, Vitamin C
- MSM, Vitamin C, Grape Seed, H2O2
- MSM, Vitamin C, Grapefruit Seed Extract
- MSM, Vitamin C, GSE, H2O2
- Multiple Remedies
- Multiple Remedy Success
- Onion Juice, Hydrogen Peroxide
- Prescription Drugs
- Remedies Needed
- Rosehip Seed Oil, Squalene Oil
- Skin Lightening Remedies
- Ted's Remedies
- The Copper Link
- Vegetarian Diet, Beets
- Vitamins, Prescription Cream
- Website Scams
- White Vinegar, Raw Potato Juice, Vitamin E
Grapefruit Seed Extract
[NAY] 06/11/2009: Vijaya from Hartford, Ct: "Hi Everyone,
I started taking GSE since May 14th 15 drops 3 times a day. I have seen very little change. I am not figting up hope, i will keep trying for another couple of months and keep you all posted. I had mesalma for a long period of time over 15 years. I will start takig mega doses of vitamin c as well. Please any one has advice?..very desperate..thanks."
06/11/2009: Preet from New York, USA replies: "Hi Vijaya,
The lady who originally posted GSE for melasma mentioned taking larger doses (20 drops/ 5 times a day) so may be you should try longer and larger doses. I took it for few days but my die off reaction was so bad that I had to stop it altogether. If you think you have a candida or some other infection, I think this'll help! Just try larger doses and also change your diet. No Sugar including fruits, no Refined products etc. Start a Candida diet! This is all I can suggest but don't lose hope!"
07/27/2009: Pvt. from Eugene, OR replies: "Grapefruit Seed Extract vs. Grape Seed Extract:
Commenters are exhibiting a great deal of confusion about these supplements.
According to Ray Sahelian, M.D., the correct supplement to use for melasma is
******Grape Seed Extract******
NOT Grapefruit Seed Extract.
I suggest that somebody try to clear this up. Maybe it would then help people to clear up their melasma."
08/16/2009: Emma from Toronto, Ontario, Canada replies: "Yes, could someone share their expertise on grapefruit seed extract and grapeseed extract. The postings are clear that some people are using one vs the other.
Does anyone know what the differences are between the two and how they work in the body or on skin? Thanks."
08/17/2009: Tricia from Ireland replies: "I just started looking into this to-day and from what I can gather (in laymans terms) Grapefruit seed extract is anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, anti-viral and anti-parasitic. Grape seed extract is good for cleaning and strenghtening all blood vessels (veins and capillaries). It's late here in Ireland so tomorrow I will try to look up the sites I got my information from and post them.
I would be interested in knowing the difference between grape seed oil extract bought in the 1 oz bottles in health shops and grapeseed oil which is situated next to the olive oil for cooking."
08/18/2009: Preet from New York, USA replies: "Hi Vijaya, Did you make any changes to your diet? That makes a huge difference! Let me know."
07/21/2011: Priya from Alexandria, Washington Dc replies: "Hi everyone, I am new to this post. I truely appreciate helpful tips on this forum. I am too suffering from melasma since 4 years. I have it on cheeks and upper lip. Would also like to add that I have been diagnosed with two small fibroids and my TSH level is slightly elevated. I don't know whats making my melasma resistant.
Presently I am taking grapefuit seed extract, MSM, Vit C, Zinc, Iron, Acidophilus, aloe vera juice. I have also tried putting antifungal cream, aloe vera juice, castor oil, coconut oil, horse radish... on my face. Its 2 months now and I haven't noticed any change in my melasma. I have taken off all bakery products, nuts and sugar from my diet. I don't know if anything could help me with my melasma. I totally feel helpless. I would highly appreciate any suggestions."
12/02/2011: Christina J from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia replies: "I'm 25, female and I've always had hormonal imbalance which affected my menstrual cycle every now and then. My gynae recommended to go on the pill called Yasmin. After few months of going on it, I started having dark patches below my neck, chin and the sides of my jaw.. :( it's really upsetting & I've since stopped taking Yasmin. Right now I'm using 200% concentrated aloe vera gel, and it's definitely taking its time... I would like to know if any of you have any success with anything like acv, epo and such & please be kind enough to let me know how exactly you used it & how long it took you?"
06/05/2009: Rebecca from Sydney, Australia: "I have now got a bottle of liquid GSE extract. For melasma on my cheeks, do I take this internally or apply directly to my skin? Please, if anyone has had success with GSE, let me know how I go about using it for this purpose. Many thanks."Replies
06/06/2009: Fernanda from Modesto, CA replies: "hi Rebecca
in regards to your question on gse i was told to use 15 drops in a glass of water by itself 3 times daily on an empty stomach let me tell you to expect a very bitter taste i have not seen results at all but i was mixing with juice to hide the taste so now drinking it straight and will keep you posted as to the results"
05/07/2009: Karen from Richmond, VA USA: "I have a question about the Grape Seed Extract remedy for melasma. Do you ingest it or use it topically? Does it interfere with any meds? I have a severe case, 60% of my face. Wear 2 sunscreens and a hat unless it is raining. Tried IPL 2 separate times--spent a fortune. Hyperpigmentation came back worse. I paid in advance to have Fraxel and chickened out at the last minute. The not so common side effects were bad enough to keep me from actually going through with the laser. My skin is wrinkle free at 51 with a nice texture, but.....I currently use Retin-A, Dermalogica Night White, Obagi Vitamin C w/o HQ and some Nivea cream that I found mentioned on a different site. I feel self conscious because my face looks so bad. Make-up makes the dark spots look gray. Appreciate your comments."Replies
05/09/2009: Fernanda from Modesto, CA replies: "i am currently using grapefruit seed extract with juice trying to see if it works as for IPL'S i also have tried several treatment with no change in my melasma as for other options also tried Obagi with minimal results what i have found is that you should not use any skin lightners as they can actually make your melasma worse i am using acv on cotton ball daily as a toner and also using fresh lemon juice on my clean skin and it has made some difference on the discoloration as it has lightened a bit will keep you posted on the grapefruit seed extract as i see results"
05/10/2009: Kimberly from Santa Monica, CA replies: "A few months ago an esthetician at a skin care office recommended the obagi system to me a couple months ago for age spots on my cheeks. The program had retin-a, 4% hydroquinone and alpha hydoxhy acids. I didn't have any problems until I applied the hydroquinone. Immediately the lymph nodes in my neck became inflammed. I thought it was a fluke, waited a few days doing just the retin-a and alpha hydroxy, then applied it again. Same thing occured. I tried it ONE MORE TIME after a week's rest. Not a fluke at all, clearly a toxic substance. I then went online, which is what I should have done before shelling out almost $200 for this skincare line and read up on the hydroquinone. Happens to be banned in Europe, Australia and Japan because, quite simply, it's carcinogenic! Tied to leukemia in rat studies. The FDA wanted to ban hydroquinone a few years ago but came under sooo much pressure from dermatologists that so far, nothing. Apparently these skin "specialists" make an enormous amount of $ from selling it in packages like the obagi system. So the short of this story is, please be careful (not stupid like me) and research any products before you are talked into them by your doctor. That said, I am trying the grapefruit seed extract now!"
05/14/2009: Vijaya from Hartford, Connecticut replies: "Hi Everyone,
I have very bad malasma since 1997. I tried dermotologist, plastic Sugeon now after reading the success stories i started drinking GSE (grapfruit seed extract not grape seed extract) for one week now. I want to know how long it took for you to clear? i will definitely let everyone know the result soon.
[YEA] 05/01/2009: Raquel from San Francisco, Ca: "I tried the Grapefruit Seed Extract, to clear my Melasma, 12-15 drops in water three times a day.. It worked, IT WORKED!!!!!! I'm so happy! Thank you Marea from Dallas.. I've spent thousands of dollars on getting rid of it over the last four years. I tried laser removal, Obagi skin system from a dermatologists office, and every expensive treatment you can buy over the counter.. I still can't believe it when I look in the mirror. It's been a month and there is still some but it's no longer noticeable like it was before. I feel so much better and I don't look like I'm a female walking around with a mustache over my lip anymore.. Thank You, Thank You!!!! - R"Replies
05/02/2009: Preet from New York, USA replies: "Hey Raquel, Thats so good to hear that you also have success with melasma treatment. Can I ask you if you did something else besides the GSE, any supplements etc. or any colon cleansing? Also, was your melasma related to BCPs or being pregnant. I'll really appreciate if you can provide the feedback also how long have you had melasma and where on your face?
Thanks a lot!
05/05/2009: Raquel from San Francisco, CA replies: "Preet, I haven't been taking any prescriptions for four years now. I was on BC pills for almost 10 years. I also had taken Prozac for about three years. Both of the prescriptions mess with your hormones. I have not done any internal cleansing but have in the past and believe it could be beneficial. I did a candida cleansing and it helped my flatten my stomach and helped me lose weight and look less bloated.
In addition to the GSE I have also been doing the horseradish mask about three times a week. I was really tired of my spots so I wanted to try both at the same time. My melasma was mostly spots over my lips and two circles, one on each side of my cheeks. Good Luck"
05/24/2009: Michele from Denver, CO replies: "Raquel...along with the GSE remedy you use the horseradish mask. Can you share your "horseradish recipe" or is it just plain horseradish from a jar? How much do you put on and for how long? Thanks!"
09/26/2009: Hayday from Little Rock, Arkansas replies: "Raquel from San Francisco -- I was curious as to if you had dermal or epidermal melasma or both?"
04/16/2009: Michele from Denver, CO: "Marea.....I've read all of your posts and I am happy that GSE has helped you tremendously. I have tried all treatments except for natural remedies. I am unsure the severity of my melasma (I have it on my upper lip- mustache looking). It seems pretty deep and severe especially if the treatments haven't helped. Also, I have olive skin and the melasma appears darker when I get hot, in the sun (I try to protect my face as much as possible), under stress, worry, before menstrual cycle, or when I sweat. A couple of questions for you...1) can you elaborate more on your internal cleanse to flush out your colon and liver -what did you do? and 2) was your melasma severe? Thank you!!"Replies
05/08/2009: Marea from Dallas, Texas replies: "GRAPEFRUIT SEED EXTRACT AND MELASMA ANSWERS
TO MISHA FROM KARACHI, PAKISTAN
I hope your cleansing regimen is going well. You had stated in your previous post that you were having sleep issues, which I believe it could be due to die-off of pathogenic organisms as you are attempting to cleanse internally. I have read further into Dr. Hulda Clark's cleansing protocols, and have learned that sleep issues, she believes, are often times related to ammonia produced by pathogens as their waste product. Ammonia is toxic and causes the body to be acidified. In order to detoxify ammonia, she recommends taking, at bedtime, several capsules of the natural amino acid Ornithine, which is NOT habit forming. You won't need to continue taking it after you are finished with your cleanse.
I would like to add that it is important to stay well hydrated always, but especially during a cleanse in order to flush out toxins as quickly as possible, which will help tremendously in minimizing pathogenic die-off side effects. Try drinking, throughout the day, at least 2 quarts of purified water (no tap water) to which you add the juice of a FRESHLY SQUEEZED LEMON (never from concentrate). Rinse your mouth well (don't swallow) with plain purified water (you can add a pinch of sea salt to the rinse water) after drinking lemon water. The lemon water will help alkalize your body and it is a very healthy natural drink. Best regards, Marea from Dallas, Texas
TO RAQUEL FROM SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA
Hello Raquel, I am very happy for you! I am glad the Grapefruit Seed Extract worked for you. Marea from Dallas, Texas.
TO MICHELLE FROM DENVER, COLORADO
Hello Michelle, I have been traveling quite often, so please bear with me as I am packing for yet another trip and will be gone for a little over a week. Since I did the cleanse a while ago, it will take me some time to look up the products I used specifically before GSE; however, I don't know if I can disclose product information on this site. I will check with Deirdre first and will get back to you with a response when I return.
In the meantime, what you can do is drink A WARM CUP OF LEMON TEA EVERY MORNING UPON ARISING. FRESHLY SQUEEZED LEMON JUICE (not ever from concentrate) in a cup of preferably warm distilled water or warm filtered water is a wonderful, natural liver cleanse! It will do its job over time. Do not add anything else to the lemon tea or you will probably nullify its liver cleansing effect. Also, add the juice of one FRESHLY SQUEEZED LEMON to two quarts of purified water and drink this lemon water at room temperature, never cold, throughout the day. Rinse you mouth well (don't swallow) with plain purified water (you can add a pinch of sea salt to the rinse water) after drinking lemon water. The lemon water will help alkalize your body and it is a very healthy natural drink. Note: never use distilled water from plastic containers for oral consumption, otherwise, you will be drinking phthalates and BPA leached into the water from those plastic containers. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. My daughter reads the posts, and if she can answer questions while I am gone, she will be happy to do so.
I have olive skin also and my melasma was spread in several places on my face - some spots on the sides of my forehead, upper cheeks, upper lips and around my mouth. It would get very dark only in those areas every time I was exposed to sun. I don't use any sunscreen on my skin because I do not like the greasy feeling or the use of any chemicals. So, I use hats, or "fashionable" caps when I am out in the sun for an extended time. I have noticed, however, that now that my Melasma is gone, I can be out in the sun in moderation (early morning hours and late afternoon hours) without any problems. My skin has an even color all over, and I am pleased...Marea from Dallas, Texas
TO LISS FROM FRANKLIN, OHIO
Hi Liss, I share your concerns over mixing Grapefruit Seed Extract with medication. I am not a medical doctor, therefore I can not advice you; however, I have a motto I go by which is "when in doubt, better off without".
My own successful personal experience was with the LIQUID (NOT capsules) of Grapefruit Seed Extract in plain water (nothing else added that would interfere with absorption and assimilation) taken on an empty stomach several times per day, not the Grape Seed Extract, so I do not know if the Grape Seed would work. When I took the Grapefruit Seed Extract between meals on an empty stomach, I waited at least one hour before my next meal. I can not vouch for success with GSE if it is taken any other way.
In response to your question about whether this is a lifelong problem, I believe it is totally up to you. When we have a healthy body ecology (with the right balance of intestinal flora, properly alkalized and oxygenated internal terrain), and support it by eating the kinds of foods that nourish and heal our body, our hormones will naturally be in balance, our immune system and all the organs in the body will function optimally and health problems will not persist. Since you said you were open to recommendations, I will gladly offer some suggestions for you to try that will not be intrusive, as they will NOT interfere with medications, but will be rather natural. I will be out of town for a little over a week, so I will get back with you when I return. In the meantime, please don't allow anxiety over melasma rule over you. Anxiety could exacerbate the problem by further acidifying you. Be calm, and know that you have the power to overcome health issues when you make the effort to correct the UNDERLYING CAUSE of health problems, not just treat symptoms. Marea from Dallas, Texas
TO KAREN FROM RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
Karen, I used GRAPEFRUIT SEED EXTRACT, not Grape Seed Extract, internally, not topically. If you check out the melasma page under ailments, you will find some specific directions. I did NOT apply any treatments to my face. I am also wrinkle-free, and now that I don't have melasma, I am also make-up free - wonderful freedom! Marea from Dallas, Texas"
05/09/2009: Fernanda from Modesto, California replies: "i am currently trying gse mixed with juice because i can't handle the taste i need to know what the mixture should be as i am currently mixing 10 drops of gse with juice and am getting a horrible itchy rash on my body and how often it should be taken at that strength and for how long for my melasma as the health food store that i bought it from said no longer than 3 weeks at a time as it is a cleanse but on your posting it has said for a month before results are seen. thank you so much"
05/12/2009: Liss from Franklin, Ohio replies: "Hi Marea,
Thank you so much for your reply. I went to my OB/GYN yesterday and stopped the BC pills. She said I could go on a different kind but wanted to wait a few months to see what happened since the melasma can have many causes.
I read something about too much copper in the system and it seemed to fit me perfectly...I rarely eat meat not because I'm a vegetarian just don't particularly care for it. I have a very unhealthy diet hardly ever eat breakfast or lunch and an unhealthy fast food or quick fix dinner. (I do drink ensure sometimes) I love chocolate. I read that all of those things contain excess copper and animal protein contains zinc which helps balance the copper. So I eat a lot of foods with copper and almost no animal protein.
I am definitely open to your recommendations. I know I am very unhealthy at this point and would like to do things to change that. I believe this is probably contributing if not causing both the melasma and anxiety but all that I read on the internet concerning both problems is so confusing.
Anything you can suggest I am willing to try. I know the anxiety contributes and I try to remain calm but that seems to be impossible for me! Even with medication I am still anxious pretty much all the time just not to the same extent as I am without medication. It's not really one specific problem I worry about, I am just a worrier period and am anxious a lot mostly for no apparent reason. Before being on medication I was sick constantly. I always thought I just got sick a lot but it was actually the anxiety making me sick with stomach upset, headaches and even fever. I also suffer from migraines with very strange side effects...loss of vision and numbness so I am always worried I will get one even though I get them pretty rarely now. Since being on medication I have been doing much better but I don't want to have to take medication daily for the rest of my life. I would like to control all my health issues naturally as you do. I know I am a very long way from that, but that is my goal to be off all medications and live a "normal" life. Sorry for going on and on. Any suggestions you have would be great and again thank you so much for caring and helping others.
05/14/2009: Fernanda from Modesto, CA replies: "are you familier with the horse radish treatments for melasma and have you tried and had any success with them?"
05/15/2009: Michele from Denver, CO replies: "Marea, thank you for your reply and suggestions on the liver cleanse. I certainly will try the remedy. I understand you travel and appreciate it very much when you can reply. That is great your melasma is gone, you can be out in sun in moderation without problems. I am hoping the same will happen for me.
I went to a dermatologist and I have come to find out that I have epidermis and dermis melasma meaning it is on outer and inner layers above my lip. And, it is pretty deep. My melasma doesn't have spots..its more like a full looking mustache. The dermatologist recommended the Active FX treatment. I have done research on the procedure and haven't found positive news about it. With that said, I am uncertain about the treatment. Though, I am not sure if GSE will work because of the severity of my melasma. Was your melasma deep and severe? It has been a year and half since I've had melasma above my upper lip. Is it safe to say that it may take several to 6 months before I see any improvements with GSE regardless of my severity?
I have read your posts to other people experiencing anxiety and frustration with melasma. I can easily say I am very subconscious of my melasma particularly because it is on the upper lip and very noticeable. And, I become very anxious when I am out in public/work. I know with anxiety, it only makes the melasma worse. It is not an easy battle to fight and remain free of anxiety. Again, thank you for your recommendations and support you have given to everyone on this site. Safe travels."
05/29/2009: Michele from Denver, CO replies: "Marea, how long does the liver cleanse last? Do I still eat throughout the day or just drink the lemon water and tea all day? Thanks! :)"
05/29/2009: Michele from Denver, CO replies: "Marea, how long does the liver cleanse last? Do I still eat throughout the day or just drink the lemon water and tea all day? Thanks! :)"
07/15/2009: Patience from Charlottesville, VA replies: "Hi Michelle, I posted another response in another section I think. This is my first time doing a forum discussion, but I think it's great! I have pretty deep hyperpigmentation caused by laser hair removal a couple of years ago, and since my skin is already freckly, the pigment is accentuated in the epidermis as well. Currently I only use sunscreen and wear a hat when I think of it. My dermatologist gave me 4% hydroquinone yesterday, but I don't think he had any idea what he was talking about. He actually dismissed my claim that it could potentially make it worse! I don't trust doctors or laser people anymore, and I don't think they really care. The girl who did my treatment 2 years ago should have been to look at skin and strongly discourage me from doing it!! Of course she just wanted to make money! I would like to advise people to stay away from lasers!! It always seemed like I was the only one with the mustache problem, and it appears to make everyone else uncomfortable... a subconscious response of a lot of people is to rub THEIR upper lip, anyone know what I mean? At first I thought I was getting hypersensative and overinflating the phenomenon, but I don't think I am. People notice and sometimes even laugh when they think I'm not noticing. It really hurts my feelings and the depression it's causing is becoming unmanageable. Anyway, thanks for all your postings everyone! At least I don't feel so alone. I love the MSM/Zinc/VitC/GSE/Probiotic idea and will start immediately!! It turns out I do in fact eat many of the foods that are the highest in Copper!! Anyone else out there with melasma in the dermis?? I need some support."
07/16/2009: Michele from Denver, CO replies: "To Patience from Charlottesville: You are not alone and I empathize with you. I, too have epidermal and dermal melasma and it is pretty deep. It has been stressful for me and constantly wondering if people are staring at me. To be honest with you, I have not seen any improvements using GSE. Maybe I was not patient enough to continue the GSE treatment. I was on the GSE treatment for a month and half. From the postings on this website and other websites, I noticed GSE works more for people with epidermal melasma. Again, I am not 100% positive and maybe I didn't give the GSE treatment a chance. I have switched over to MSM, Vitamin C, fish oil, and Arnica 30c treattments. In addition to the supplements, I wear sunscreen and a hat. I have been on it for 2 weeks not and no changes, yet. I know this is not sounding too promising but, we have to find a treatment that works for us."
07/17/2009: Patience from Charlottesville, Virginia replies: "Hi Michele! Thanks for writing. I wasn't sure if you checked this forum anymore. Do you know what caused your condition? I think that makes a difference, right? I stupidly went in for a series of laser hair removal treatments and the girl must have used the wrong laser, or my skin is just really sensitive to injury. She told me to wear sunscreen of course, but failed to mention WHY!? She was an idiot. Anyway, can you tell I'm bitter? I will definitely keep you posted on how the MSM/GSE/Vit C/probiotic works. What's Arnica for? You weren't doing MSM and GSE at the same time? Also, how much were you taking? I have a lot of questions!!"
07/17/2009: Michele from Denver, CO replies: "Patience from Charlottesville: I do check this forum often but, there isn't much activity. I posted my email address so we can continue to correspond. To be honest, I have no idea where how I got my melasma. It could have been from birth control pills which I stopped more than 6 years ago, out in the sun all day, stress, hormones, etc. Guess I will never know how I got my melasma!?! I am SO sorry to hear about your procedure and I totally understand your frustration. I would have felt the same way. No, I was not on any supplements when taking GSE. Maybe I should have??? I was taking 20 drops of GSE 3-5 times a day. Arnica is for bruising and swelling. You can find Arnica 30c pellets in the natural food stores. I do hope that the supplements will work for you!! I am glad to have found someone who has both epidermal and dermal melasma. Feel free to email me and we can continue our conversations."
07/25/2009: Emily from Alexandria, VA replies: "Hello everyone I have a similar situation with hyperpigmentation melasma or whatever you want to call it. I went in after having an allergic reaction to a face product to have some peels and microdermabrasion. I got a light peel and the estetician told me to wear sunscreen thats it no big deal nothing. Then when I went in the sun I started to develop some brown spots, this was about 3 years ago, and I was so angry at this woman. So angry that I didn't get to express it fully, when i went back she said oh just use this stuff to lighten the spots. Well that was total crap because I am still suffering today with this and constantly looking for solutions. Right now i am using alpha hydroxy acid and some natural brown spot reducer but I don't seem to think it works very well or very fast. I take msm too. I've done ipl but its only temporary it doesn't last. If I go out in the sun everything just gets worse. I wish I could magically go back in the sun the way I used to. Funny enough initially my goal was to be comfortable in not wearing makeup and now look at me still so very uncomfotable. If it wasn't for makeup I would not leave the house, I don't know what I would do. Luckily I found some great products that cover it all up. The thing is I don't want to hide behind make up anymore and I know there has to be a solution. Part of it is I realize that I have to be patient and that is hard. Its good to see I'm not alone although sometimes I feel like the only one do you know what I mean? Thanks for the support of everyone :)"
04/08/2010: Yvette from Grande Prairie, Ab replies: "Hello I am having all the same problems I have one spot on each cheek one is darker then the other and I was in getting lazer treatments done when the lady told me it was Melasma I never heard of it before I was always told hyperpigmentation or liver spots I am been trying everthing to get rid of these things I use to have it above my lip also but that has lightened not sure what the treatement was that lightened it but I seem to be making my cheeks worse not better with potions and treatments I am at my witts end seriously.I am so glad to find this web page I have been searching for something on the web so I am going to try the herbal/ internal treatments now it sounds like that might be the only good solution to this terrible Melasma. Is GSE does that stand for something are they gonna now what it is in a health food store and what about MsM and were do I find Lacto Calamine for sun screen. hope and thanks."
03/16/2009: Sandra from Seattle, Washington: "I just want to thank everyone for their input on melasma. I've had a stubborn spot right between my eyes on my forehead for five years now. After reading all your posts, I decided to try the GSE. I've been taking it for two days now and can't wait to see the results. I'm very confident that this will be the solution to my problem. I just might have clear skin by my 40th birthday on May 15 2009. I'll keep you posted on my progress!"Replies
08/24/2011: Jen from Small Town, Ohio replies: "Everyone read!!!! I do all kinds of supplementation for my whole family. I have been watching the guts of my children, but I also recently came down with a relapse of melasma, red bumps, horrible fatigue, and some pains here and there (including my ears, toes, and shoulder). I was drinking a lot of Bolthouse Green drink and lots of supplements (not going to list out)... I have never had this and thought I was on the right track. Must have thought I could still get away with ice cream or one of my supplements triggered it. Back to tea and GSE. Read the link above. I wish I had found it long ago. http://www.ninazu.com/tests1.html This is a link to check for candida with saliva. I know this will help someone.
03/05/2009: BILLIE from CALEDONIA, ONTARIO: "HI
I FOUND THIS WEB SITE ON ACCIDENT, AND HAVE BEEN READING IT FOR ABOUT 2 HOURS NOW. I ALSO HAVE BEEN SUFFERING WITH MELASMA FOR ABOUT 6 YEARS NOW (AFRAID IT IS QUITE DEEP) I HAVE USED IPL ONLY TO CREATE MORE PIGMENT PROBLEMS! I HAVE ALSO TRIED THE OBAGI SYSTEM (NO HELP). I RECENTLY HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO A MEDIUM DEPTH CHEMICAL PEEL AND LASER PEELS. THANKS TO THIS WEB SITE, I AM CANCELLING THESE APPOINTMENTS. I WILL BE STARING GRAPEFRUIT SEED EXTRACT ASAP AS WELL AS VITAMIN C AND ACV. I WILL LET YOU ALL KNOW MY RESULTS IN A FEW WEEKS. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT EVERYWHERE I GO I NEVER NOTICE ANYONE WITH THIS PROBLEM! JUST ME! IT IS VERY REASURING TO READ THAT OTHERS FEEL THE SAME WAY I DO, AND THAT I DO NOT STAND ALONE WITH THIS PROBLEM. I TOO FEEL UNATRACTIVE, AND DEPRESSED BECAUSE OF THIS PROBLEM."
05/21/2009: B from Malaga, Spain replies: "Hi I live in Spain and have Melasma on my cheeks, forehead and very noticeable on my upper lip. Ive been suffering with it for about 2-3 years now and its been ruining my confidence, self esteem, and relationship. I'm embarrassed to go out in public and hide away from social events with friends and family. I have tried chemical peels and bleaching creams to no avail..... I use high sun protection but living in such a hot climate its hard to stay out of the sun ... I recently had problems with my ovaries and had a laparoscopy after the operation the melasma dissapeared for a while but has come back with a vengance. I have been so depressed and low that i have considered giving up on myself as i feel so ugly and hideus to look at (im also a performance artist) i cant bring myself to perform and so it is also effecting my work and everything in my life!
I have been reading these articles and am so relieved that i am not alone...i just bought some GSE yesterday and am praying it will be gone soon and i can my life back and be happy again ..Thank you all so much for sharing your stories and experiences :)"
05/24/2009: Michele from Denver, CO replies: "Billie, since your last post has the GSE helped you? I share the same frustrations as you do and I hope the GSE has brought back your self-confidence."
07/15/2009: Patience from Charlottesville, VA replies: "Hello, I too have epidermal and dermal melasma, much like Michele from Denver and Billie from Ontario. Mine started from laser hair removal on my upper lip 2 years ago... I'm not 30. Someone mentioned it was post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation from basically the injury from the laser. Whatever it is, it sucks. I also just found this website! Thank God! Doctors know nothing. So, have either of you experienced changes since starting more internal treatments rather than topical solutions (which don't work, and make it worse, right?). I'm desparate. I'm also leary of posting personal information on websites, so if you guys check this forum again, maybe somehow we could exchange emails. I will keep checking back. Everyone's case is a little different depending on depth of the melanin in the layers of skin. I'm afraid mine is pretty deep. Anyone else?"
02/07/2009: Maria from Pune, India: "dear mam, i have melasma since last one year and tried several lightening creams available in local market. I have read about GSE. can you please tell me where I would get this. i have melasma on both my cheeks and nose. please ..i would like to have the information as I had been told to do chemical peeling but since i heard many regative things about this i do not want to go in for it.
EC: Try a good health food store in your area. If they don't have it, try looking online in the Google shopping section.
Maria from Pune, India replies: "Dear Preet,
Thanx for the reply..but its my bad luck that i saw your comment (grapefruitseed extract) to my question only after a year. In the meanwhile i am still struggling for curing my melasma..i had asked for Meladerm cream from US..but to my bad luck that too did not work for me ..its been a month now and still i did not see any difference. I bought two bottles..quite expensive...am still applying it. Actually i was again trying to get GSE but till date i did not get it..if at all you can help me please do. I am seriously thinking of taking GSE. Also let me know if i have to take anything besides this."
05/02/2009: Preet from New York, USA replies: "To Maria from Pune:
Maria, I am also from India and live in New York now and if you don't find the GSE there, let me know and I'll send it to you! Its not expensive at all so you dont need to worry about paying me and I'll just be happy to send it to you and hope that it'll help!
Let me know
03/22/2012: Dipti from Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh India replies: "CAN ANYONE SEND GRAPEFRUITSEED EXTRACT LIQUID ? AS I AM UNABLE TO GET IT IN INDIA."
01/03/2013: Anupa from Bangalore, India replies: "Hi Preet, I also have melasma for the last 2 yrs, tried with many options, pigmentation did not fade. After reading these sucess stories, wanted to try GSE. I am bangalore, can I get the GSE too? Will pay you online... Please help"
09/15/2008: Ann from Los Angeles, CA: "Hello, Everyone: I just wanted to let you know that I am trying the liquid Grapefruit Seed Extract. So far it's only been about a week, and I have not noticed any change in my melasma. I will post again after 4 weeks have passed and then after 8 weeks have passed."Replies
[NAY] 10/11/2008: Ann from Los Angeles, CA replies: "Well, it's been almost a month since I've been using the Grapefruit Seed Extract, and so far I do not see any noticeable improvement in my melasma.
I have been mixing 25 drops/2 times a day mixed in with juice. This stuff tastes truly awful mixed with water, so I had to mix it with juice to be able to drink it.
Anyway, I will continue using the Grapefruit Seed Extract until I have finished the bottle that I bought. I will write back again in another month or so to let you all know if I have any lightening."
[YEA] 07/01/2008: Joy from Columbia, SC: "Hello Everyone - I have decided to give the Grapefruit Seed Extract/GSE a try also, and have been doing so for 3 days now. It is really too early for me to report on how I think it is doing, but I feel like it is working.
I have been out in the sun, and wear hats/sunscreen and it has not gotten any darker. Last summer mine would get darker no matter how much sun protection I used, I was pregnant then. I have had it for going on 5 years now, prior to my pregnancies.
I wanted to write in about the GSE liquid. The lady at the health food store suggested some Empty Gelatin Capsule's and they are the ticket. The GSE is bitter, and does not taste good at all, so the capsules really make the whole experience much better. I am still taking the MSM -2,000mg once a day, and 2 -Cranberry pills 475 mg twice a day pills instead of Vitamin C. And the GSE 20 drops 3 times a day, and plan to increase as everyone recommends.
I will report back on my results in a week or so, but wanted to let everyone know about the Gelatin Capsule's. Keep posting this wonderful information! I want to thank everyone! It has helped so many people including me.
Mine is so much better than before, not gone, but much, much less noticeable and ALMOST gone!"
07/05/2008: Deb from Albuquerque, NM replies: "Hello, Joy just reading your post and I'm glad to hear that your melasma has lightened, how bad was your melasma was it dark and where did you have your melasma,what is the reason why not vitamin C. has the cranberry helped out with the GSE? Has the GSE really helped out a lot. I have tried so many creams Etc. with no results. Seems to spread at times or get darker."
[YEA] 07/07/2008: Mychelle from Irvine, CA replies: "I've been trying a few of the suggestions and I've noticed a huge improvement using the GSE drops (15 drops in juice and water -because it tastes awful- 5x daily) for about three weeks now. My spots haven't lightened but they've broken up and there are far fewer. I have had melasma on my forehead, cheeks, and a bit in other places and this is the first time I've seen real, I'm-not-imagining-it results. I'm also taking MSM 1000mg 3x a day and Vitamin C. Before this I had tried Cosmelan, IPL, everything! Thanks so much for the great advice, I'm looking forward to when it is completely gone, finally! :)"
07/08/2008: Joy from Columbia, SC replies: "Hello Michelle - I am really glad you are getting good results. I to have tried many, many different things from chemical peels and creams nothing worked, and gave me results like all of the suggestions on this site.
As for the Cranberry I was taking it for other reasons, and it is an Antioxidant so I did not do the Vitamin C for a while. I am back on the Vitamin C instead. I am taking MSM - 2,000 mg, - Vitamin C 500mg twice a day and GSE 15 drops 4 times a day.
My Melasma was on my cheeks, forehead, bridge of my nose, and I had a spot on my chin. My cheeks are clear, except a little on each temple. My chin is clear. And my forehead and bridge of my nose are still where it is dominate. My forehead is almost completely covered, however it is all really, really light where it remains. I have a very fair complexion, and mine was about 3 shades darker than the rest of my skin. Now it is only one shade darker. Mine was brown, not black.
I too am looking forward to the day when it is completely gone as well.
10/20/2008: Joy from Columbia, SC replies: "Hello Everyone - I have not written in a while. After added the GSE to my routine. I did not notice that my melasma was going away completely, and like others it would get darker closer to my cycle. I was trying some oil of olay cream at the same time so I don't know which one was lightning it. I had seen some information about liver cleansing and alternative medicine. I went to an alternative medicine doctor and we worked on getting rid of Candida. I have been on a number of cleanses and now take a multi vitamin called Intramax. My melasma is not completely gone, but I don't notice it at all anymore, and can go with out make up. Which is something that I have not been able to do for years. I feel wonderful!! I still take 1,000 mg of Vit C. Wanted to write in and let everyone know they need to find an alterative medicine doctor and they will help you come up with the right plan to make you look and feel better. Good luck to everyone. I am back to my oldself, and hope everyone finds their path. I would not be on my road to complete healing if it was not for this site. Thank you everyone for posting your stories. Treating yourself from the inside out is what works."
11/16/2008: Vivien from Singapore replies: "I've read the thread on GSE (grapefruit seed extract) helping to clear facial melasma/discoloration. What is it in grapefruit seed extract that clears the discoloration? I read that grape seed extract does the same thing. I'm rather confused between the two GSE. Thanks for your feedback."
10/21/2009: Preet from Ithaca, Ny replies: "To Marea from Dallas:
Hey Marea, Could you please tell me which herbal lover cleanse you used? I'll really appreciate your reply. Thanks, Gagan"
05/30/2011: Sanjay from Kathmandu, Na replies: "Does Fractional CO2 laser help in reducing pigmentation? Help"
[YEA] 05/16/2008: Marea from Dallas, Texas: "I share your sentiments about melasma. I, too, was afflicted with this condition, but nothing you do externally will be of great help or even permanent, unless you also address your internal terrain. I started using an herbal liver cleanse, and it took four months before I started noticing improvements. My melasma was reduced by half by the end of six months. However, when I started taking Grapefruit Seed Extract (the natural citricidal kind) for an unrelated condition, to my amazement, the melasma started dissapering at a faster rate than with the herbal treatment. It took only about four weeks to almost completely dissapear. I believe liver spots, melasma, age spots, whatever they are called are mostly related to an internal fungal condition, which the GSE greatly treated and that is why it acted so much faster. I was taking it five times a day on an empty stomach."Replies
05/22/2008: Deborah from Albuquerque, NM replies: "Hello Maria, Were you taking the pill or the liquid (GSE) what brand and where did your purchase yours? Where did you have the melasma? And is your melasma gone completely? Do you use sun screen? Sorry so many questions but it's so hard to get rid of the melasma. Hope to hear from you. Thank You."
05/22/2008: Debbie from New York, NY replies: "What brand of GSE were you using?"
06/17/2008: Laura from Wichita, KS replies: "Marea, What mg of GSE were you using? I bought the 250mg (the highest potency I could find) and just started taking it yesterday. The directions are to take one 3x's a day with food. Do you think that would be adequate? I'm also taking 1,000mg of MSM twice a day. Been doing this for a week. Any more info you can give would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!"
06/19/2008: Marea from Dallas, Texas replies: "TO DEBORAH FROM ALBUQUERQUE, NM and TO DEBBIE FROM NEW YORK,NY
I don't know if I can mention brands, but I was taking the NutriBiotic original GSE liquid concentrate unfiltered formula (10 drops contain 100mg) which I purchased at a Whole Foods supermarket, to be taken 5-15 drops in 5oz. or more of water or juice 1-3 times daily, with or without meals.
My melasma was on the sides of my forehead, very pronounced on my nose, some on my upper cheek bones and somewhat around my mouth. And, yes, it is all gone, except for one tiny spot on my nose where it was the most pronounced. I had gone on vacation for three weeks and had stopped using the GSE. The Melasma has not returned, but I have started up again on GSE to get that one spot left on my nose. No, I don't use sunscreen. I don't like to use chemicals anywhere on my skin. I use hats during the sun's peak hours. If you decide to try it, I hope it works for you, as well as it did for me. Do remember though, that you would also have to address your internal terrain. Going on an internal cleanse to flush out your colon and liver would greatly benefit your overall health. My best to you.
TO LAURA FROM WICHITA,KS
Laura, I was using 15-20 drops of liquid GSE extract (the natural citricidal kind)five times a day on an empty stomach (10 drops100mg for a total of 750mg-1000mg daily). I started with 20 drops three times a day, for a few days, increased to 20 drops five times a day for a few weeks, then tapered off to 15 drops five times a day. I prefer the liquid GSE because, in my opinion, it is more easily absorbed and perhaps faster acting. If taken on an empty stomach, you do have to increase gradually because otherwise you might experience some mild stomach acidity. I don't know if you will get the same results with tablets or capsules. Just try it and if it doesn't work then switch to liquid and see if it works better for you. Do be aware, though, that the liquid extract tastes bitter. If you do an internet search on the benefits of GSE, you will see that it states it does not affect beneficial intestinal flora; however, I took probiotics at separate times, just as a precautionary measure.
I have never tried the MSM. Joyce from Joelton and Ted highly recommend it, and they are very knowledgeable, so I am sure that would help, too. I wish you the best at resolving your skin condition. I hope it works for you as well as it did for me."
06/19/2008: Marea from Dallas, Texas replies: "To Laura from Wichita: Laura, I was using 15-20 drops of liquid GSE extract (the natural citricidal kind) five times a day on an empty stomach (10 drops =100mg for a total of 750mg-1,000mg daily). I started with 20 drops three times a day, for a few days, increased to 20 drops five times a day for a few weeks, then tapered off to 15 drops five times a day. I prefer the liquid GSE because, in my opinion, it is more easily absorbed and perhaps faster acting. If taken on an empty stomach, you do have to increase gradually because otherwise you might experience some mild stomach acidity. I don't know if you will get the same results with tablets or capsules. Just try it and if it doesn't work then switch to liquid and see if it works better for you. Do be aware, though, that the liquid extract tastes very bitter. If you do an internet search on the benefits of GSE you will see that it states it does not affect beneficial intestinal flora; however, I took probiotics at separate times, just as a precautionary measure. I have never tried the MSM. Joyce from Joelton and Ted highly recommend it, and they are both very knowledgeable, so I am sure that would help, too. I wish you the best at resolving your skin condition. I hope it works for you as well as it did for me."
06/29/2008: Leah from Suffolk, VA replies: "Marea - How long did you have melasma, and the GSE actually worked? I've had it for a few years and nothing has worked and can't believe one extract would work and others don't know about it. Does it seem as if it's permanent. Can you give us an update on your status as of 6/30/08?? Sorry about unsuredness, but if you've had it a long time, you know how stubborn it is. I'm taking 19 pills a day to get rid of it right now and am adding GSE!"
07/07/2008: Laura from Wichita, KS replies: "Marea, Thank you for your feedback. I will keep that liquid in mind. I appreciate your input!"
07/09/2008: Laura from Wichita, KS replies: "Melasma: For those of you reading the posts. I just wanted to update you all on my condition. I had my hormones checked and my progesterone was pretty low. I started the bio identical hormone therapy last night. They put me on 125mg of progesterone dissolve tabs. Part of the month, I will only be taking half that dose. Also, I started yesterday upping my intake of MSM to 2,000mg twice a day along with 1000mg vit C twice a day. I'm also taking the 500mg grapefruit seed extract twice a day. I'm continuing with 50mg of zinc a day to help with any copper overload caused by the estrogen dominance. We'll just see how this goes after a few weeks! I will keep you posted."
07/12/2008: Kristin from Wichita, KS, USA replies: "Laura,
I am also from Wichita, KS. What Dr. are you seeing that has provided you with your hormone level check?
I have lived with Melasma since 1999 when I was pregnant with my first child. The only medication I have used is Triluma. It did have little results but left my skin flaky and dry. I am interested in finding out more about Melasma.
A very good friend of mine found this website and I am certainly thankful for her passing along the information as I have found many interesting facts and remedies to try. Please let me know how you are progressing and what Dr. you have been seeing here in Wichita.
Thank you so much for your information, and I wish you the best of luck.
07/21/2008: Leah from Suffolk, VA replies: "Marea, Laura, others - Any feedback on GSE as of 7/21/08 and how working on your hormone levels might help work against melasma??"
[NAY] 07/23/2008: Laura from Wichita, KS replies: "To Kristin from Wichita KS. Hi Kristin. I see is Azure, she's Dr. Tana Goering's PA. She's pretty well versed in the bio identical hormone therapy. Good luck! I haven't noticed the GSE has helped my melasma either. I'm just hoping this hormone therapy will give me some results for a change. Living with this for 10 yrs now is about to drive me crazy. All I want to do is let the sun shine on my face! Even if it's just for 10 minutes! Good luck to you and sorry it took so long to respond. I've been extremely busy."
08/18/2008: Marea from Dallas, Texas replies: "GRAPEFRUIT SEED EXTRACT FOR MELASMA
TO LAURA FROM WICHITA,KS: Laura, I have been traveling this summer, so I am now catching up on my reading, and noticed your comment on the CURES section for Melasma. You said you "haven't noticed the GSE has helped my melasma either". I would like to encourage you to persevere just a little longer, don't give up too soon. I treated my melasma successfully with GSE, and gave the GSE extract to a friend who also treated hers successfully, but took her a little longer to see results. I can only deduce that the longer you have had the melasma, the longer it will take to see results. I had my melasma for about five years and it took four weeks to see results. My friend had hers for about 12 years and it took her about nine to ten weeks to begin to see results.
Also, I noticed that you were taking several things such as MSM, Vitamin C, Zinc for copper overload, hormone therapy in addition to GSE capsules. I am wondering if perhaps too many things for the same condition are causing system overload. Not only that, but also you were using GSE capsules (or tablets?) which in my opinion, may not be as effective as the GSE liquid extract itself. I had started with an herbal liver cleanse prior to the GSE which addressed my internal terrain, which I believe helped to get things started, but I KEPT IT SIMPLE and used no additional supplements. I used the GSE liquid extract on an empty stomach mixed with plain filtered water, NOT mixed with any juice so it would not interfere with digestion or assimilation. I learned to tolerate the taste.
If your condition is hormone related, perhaps the hormone therapy is what will work for you. Everyone's body chemistry is different, so what may work for some, may not work for others. But we should all be willing to try different avenues until we find what works for us. In many cases, it is also a matter of giving a remedy sufficient time to work. Let me know of your progress. I wish you well in your quest for a solution to you condition. Marea
TO LEAH FROM SUFFOLK,VA: Leah, I had my melasma for about five years, and yes the GSE (GRAPEFRUIT SEED EXTRACT, NOT Grapeseed) worked for me. It took only a few weeks, but it might take longer for those who have had melasma for a longer period of time. So far, I would consider it permanent resolution as my melasma has NOT returned.
TO DENISE FROM BROOKLYN,NY: Denise, you said you were experiencing side effects from the MSM and wondered if Vitamin C and GSE worked on their own to treat melasma. In my personal case, I took NOTHING ELSE BUT GSE. The GSE worked for me all by itself. I had started taking GSE for an unrelated condition after I had finished doing an herbal liver cleanse to address my internal terrain, when I realized to my delight that it was breaking up my melasma faster than the liver cleanse! It cleared it completely, and to this date, it has not returned. I wish you well in successfully treating yours."
08/18/2008: Denise from Brooklyn, NY replies: "To Marea, Thank you so much I am taking the msm and the grapefruitseed extract in pills because I am unable to find liquid. I think I am going to try the GSE alone to see if I get these wonderful results that you have obtained. I am very curious about this liver herbal cleanse can you tell me more and how to do this. My daughter is getting married in June/2009 and my dream is to go to her wedding with a clear face, I know this sounds vain but anyone who suffers from this dreadful condition knows how bad it can make you feel. Looking forward to hearing from you, thanks for the info."
08/19/2008: Denise from Brooklyn , New York replies: "Re Marea's posts: I am a melasma sufferer and I have seen several posts about herbal liver cleanse and how well it removes toxins from the body. I am very interested in this procedure however have no clue how to go about it? Can someone help me here?"
08/27/2008: Irma Louise from Pescadero, CA replies: "Does mixing GSE into my green tea lessen the benefits of either? I've found that when I do this, I don't taste the bitterness of the GSE as I do when I drink it in plain water. Since I want to drink several cups of green tea per day and take several doses of GSE to help with my melasma, I am hoping this combination proves effective."
02/20/2009: Misha from Karachi, Pakistan replies: "Grapefruit Seed Extract
This is for:
Marea from Dallas, Texas
Marea, I have had melasma since I was 14. At 29 it has grown to a disturbing extent. I have tried every medical and herbal/alternative doctor I could find and used every remedy anyone and everyone has advised. (The funniest was when a woman once came up to me at an airport and said to use the inside of a mango seed)
All I have ever noticed is slight lightening of the marks and eventually (due to stress, sun, etc etc) they darken again and grow larger and thicker.
The last medical doctor I saw told me they can ONLY lighten and I have to live with th fungus family and they will get worse if/when I have children,so I should be prepared (life just gets better!). The last herbal doctor I went to told me to be patient. I spent 2 years on her medicine and saw a little peeling after a few months and eventually it all returned...
And then around the end of 2008, I read your thread...
Marea, YOUR GSE remedy is the first time I have SEEN results.
Bless You Marea, I cannot thank you enough. I ordered Grapefruit Seed Extract from America and started with a few drops and as you said, it did play havoc on my stomach. So I was on and off it trying to control the nausea and bloating, and simulaneously I did see breaking up and peeling within the first week. When I increased it to 15 drops in 5oz of water Three times a day, the results have been phenomenal! My back now has huge clear spots where the fungus family had been squatting for years! In other areas I can see dramatic breaking up and watch with amazement every morning as the clear spots get bigger and bigger. (it is on 70% of my back and 30% of my front and sides of my face and scalp..eyuu)
I do get bloated and feel nausea (I wont even get into the ITCHING stories). I have had sleep issues as well. I am thinking it must be the need for an internal cleanse as you had stated. I started taking acidophillus tablets alongside the GSE (but at a separate time of day from the GSE) I now started taking physillum husk in a glass of water (internal cleanse attempt). I could not find bentonite (for a colon cleanse) yet so I have ordered that from America.
After starting the fibre, I felt more nauseous, but the next day my sleep had improved, skin is generally looking fresher (even my under eye bags). Yesterday I felt a strange euphoria. From what I have read, I believe the dead bacteria that was left in my system must have been removed or reduced by the fibre leading to these positive effects.
Do you think you can give some more guidance on the internal cleanse and diet you followed? What kind of acidophillus and how many tablets daily? Can you be more specific on the type of internal cleanse you did and what diet you followed?
Marea, I honestly send you so many blessings everytime I see progress. And whoever founded this forum, thank you!
Clear skin by my 30th birthday..., everytime I think about it feels surreal.
(I must sound like a commercial:))
This is the only place where I found a sincere remedy. Many many thanks :)"
02/23/2009: Marea from Dallas, TX replies: "DEAR MISHA,
BLESS YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO WRITE TO LET ME KNOW OF YOUR SUCCESS WITH GRAPEFRUIT SEED EXTRACT FOR YOUR MELASMA! I AM SO HAPPY THAT YOU ARE EXPERIENCING SUCCESS AND THE REMEDY IS WORKING FOR YOU.
It was almost by accident that I saw your letter. I have been traveling extensively over the last few months as we are seeking relocation to land in the mountains (for pristine soil to grow our own crops, fresh air and sunshine), so my daughter is able to keep up with the reading of the posts much more than I am able to. A few of my friends have now tried the GSE. It did not work for some who gave up too soon, but those who stuck with it and took it as directed in spite of its very bitter taste, were able to see results.
Continue doing what you are already doing - it takes WILLPOWER and RESOLVE. You are on the right track. Taking Acidophilus at separate times and also psyllium and bentonite will all lead to internal cleansing and detoxifying over time. As I had mentioned in my original thread, internal cleansing to flush out the colon, liver and bloodstream will greatly enhance any healing protocol and will benefit overall health. Everything we consume will work that much more effectively if our internal organs are clean and able to absorb; so yes, internal cleansing is of paramount importance, and that is where one should always start if long lasting, permanent results are desired (otherwise, conditions will always eventually recur, when we stop treatment before we address the root or cause of many problems - sluggish, inflamed, clogged or overburdened organs with candida, fungus, bacteria, parasites, etc.)
There are many herbal cleansers on the market. Over the last couple of years, I have used Dr. Richard Schultze's and Dr. Christopher's herbal preparations - they are excellent, and natural. I have heard that Dr. Hulda Clark's herbal preparations are also good. I have followed the _____'s internal cleansing protocol by fasting on distilled water (distilled water is the best solvent of inorganic minerals - I use it for cleansing over the short term) once a week, and three days out of every month by drinking about ten 8-oz glasses of water (in three out of ten glasses of distilled water, I add two teaspoons of Apple Cider Vinegar and a dash of cayenne). For me, short periodic fasts are an excellent way to give the digestive system a rest, and time to fully use energy for regeneration and restoration of cellular function. Once a year (I have now done it two consecutive years), I have done the Stanley Burroughs Master Lemonade cleanse for ten days. His lemonade/maple syrup/cayenne drink (I also add a dash of cinnamon) is surprisingly sustaining.
After the short fasts, I follow with a healthy diet of lots of raw fruits and vegetables and their freshly extracted or blended live green juices. As far as my eating habits go, I eat a variety of foods in moderation (at least half raw or more, the rest cooked). I alternate between organic goat's cheese, free-range organic eggs, wild salmon and free-range organic chicken or freshly made chicken soup in small amounts about two or three times a week. Also, the best way to get your probiotics is through raw, cultured (fermented) vegetables if you can spare about one or two hours once a week (I do it on a Saturday or Sunday). That way I can have a couple of tablespoons of the cultured vegetables with my meals throughout the week (cabbage rejuvelac is surprisingly easy to prepare). I must say that I started following this diet after the success with GSE. I was so thrilled with my new face, that I wanted to make sure I would never again get those spots on my face! It was a great motivation to keeping my internal terrain clean after the herbal cleanse and GSE. By the way, I strongly believe that if you do periodic cleanses to keep your internal system working optimally, and your immune system strong and alkalized by the consumption of plenty of raw fruits and vegetables, you will not have to keep taking any treatments indefinitely (I don't need to continually take remedial herbs, nor take any medications, prescribed or over the counter). I no longer need the GSE. I was thankful that it did a fabulous job, because the cleanse alone was not taking care of the condition fast enough, BUT in conjunction with the cleanse, the GSE accelerated the process along in just a few short weeks, not months. By the way, your internal terrain also includes your emotions. Minimize, or better yet, eliminate continued negative thoughts and emotions such as stress, anxiety, worries, fear, anger, resentments, etc. - they are highly acidifying and conducive to ill health. Yes, in varying degrees, they are part of life, but don't let them control you.
If you have access to a trampoline (I use my children's old outdoor trampoline), soft rebounding is also excellent for the lymphatic system. It works by stimulating circulation of body fluids to nourish the body and bringing vital life and energy to every organ in the body. I have seen a difference in my muscles and skin tone, including facial skin tone since I started using it. At my age, I am limber, in perfect weight and with the body, life and energy of my 20's - I attribute it to the internal cleanses, the diet and the trampoline combined. Once you get into a routine, it really does not take a lot of time, and it is not hard to follow. Once you experience the benefits, the energy and the feeling of well-being, you will never want to go back to old habits. Above all, a positive frame of mind, love and laughter and the power of prayer are great medicine for the body and soul!
Many blessings to you, too, Misha. I hope you get my response to your questions, and my best wishes for your continued success. Many blessings, too, to the beautiful staff at Earthclinic for keeping up this wonderful site, and to those who contribute with their caring responses to the questions aked. Marea from Dallas, Texas"
02/24/2009: Misha from Karachi, Pakistan replies: "Wow, both wisdom and thought provoking ideas in your mail. Thank you for the detailed response Marea. I am going to try to incorporate what I can from your regime and give you periodic updates on my progress as well.
Good luck in your new home search. May it bring you all you wish and desire :)"
02/27/2009: Marea from Dallas, Texas replies: "Dear Misha, Thank you very much for your good wishes. Just keep in mind, as I am sure you know, that chances of success are higher when changes are not overwhelming, but incorporated one or two at a time. Yes, please keep me updated on your progress. May your efforts be rewarded with beautiful, glowing skin! :) Marea, from Dallas, Texas"
05/06/2009: Liss from Franklin, Ohio, United States replies: "TO MAREA FROM DALLAS- FROM LISS IN OHIO
Hi Marea, I developed Melasma last summer but did not realize that is what is was until a few days ago. I believe it's related to BC pills but I have been taking them for a few years now and it just developed last year. I have an appt. with my OB/GYN this Monday to have it checked out.
I have not really been exposed to excessive sun since last June when I developed it. It has faded a lot since then but that is how I realized I had it because I haven't been out in the sun but still have dark spots on my upper cheeks giving me the "racoon eyes look". Last summer I also had a spot on my upper lip and between my eyes but those are hardly visible now.
I want to try the GSE but I have GAD (generalized anxiety disorder) and have to take 3 mg of xanax daily to control it and it has helped me tremendously (I was miserable for 10 yrs before I finally found a dr who took me seriously concerning my anxiety) The xanax says not to take grapefruit products because it increases the absorption in your blood. I have asked my dr. before about herbal/nutritional supplements and he does not seem open to that type of thing but otherwise he is the best doctor I have found in my 13 yrs of searching since I outgrew my pediatrician so I really don't want to get another doctor. I also don't want to take the GSE if it's not safe but it sounds like it works so well and I am scared to death of the other treatments(from the dermatologist) because of what I have read on several posts. I read something on here that said Grape Seed extract could also work.
I know these questions seem technical and may be out of your area of expertise but I really want to have my face back and from what I have read your suggestions seem to work the best for everyone on who's tried it. Any ideas for my situation? Would you suggest seeing a dermatologist or treating it myself? Do you know is this a lifelong problem or once it is cured will it come right back with sun exposure even after the hormonal imbalance is taken care of? Sorry for so many questions this is all new to me and I am very concerned about it. Anything you can recommend would be greatly appreciated! Thank you so much for caring about others and making a difference! I can tell you are a very special person!
05/10/2009: Fernanda from Modesto, CA replies: "how many drops were you using on a daily basis 5 times a day on an empty stomach i am currently using 10 drops 2 times a day and am getting a rash on my body maybe too strong of a dose let me know please and for how long should i be on it to see a difference. thank you for your help"
05/24/2009: Jennifer from Orlando, FL replies: "Thank you all so much for the helpful posts! I recently developed small patches of melasma on both sides of my cheeks and a little bit between my eyebrows from using oral contraceptives. It was like they developed over night! I immediatly discontinued the pill and am now searching for all natural cures. Today I am going to get GSE in the liquid form and MSM supplements. I am a fan of the hydrogen peroxide because it almost fades the spots immediatly but it's not lasting if you go out in the sun. That's when I realized I need something internal as well. So, thanks again for the help and support and I will update on my progress :)"
12/23/2009: Sumita from Akron, Ohio, U.s. replies: "Hi Misha from Karachi, Pakistan,Can you please tell us how is your progress with GSE now? I hope your skin is all clear. Please reply."
07/25/2011: Tina from Fairfax, Washington Dc replies: "Hi Marea, I don't know if you are still active on this forum, I am too suffering from melasma since five years. Its not due to BC but my TSH level is elevated, progesterone level is low and I have been diagnosed with fibriods. My dermatologist says these conditions have nothing to do with melasma and put me on chemical peels and hydroquinone. It helped me in the begining but melasma reappared again. Now I have it on my upper lip and both cheeks. Reading posts I tried GSE in tab form MSM, vit C, Zn, aloe vera juice and acidophilus but nothing seems to be working for me. Its two months now and I feel very disappointed. Only people here on this forum could understand how much humiliation I have gone through because of melasma. Sometimes I feel like commiting suicide. Reading this forum I don't want to lose hope but nothing new seems to be coming my way. Please help me..."
08/08/2011: Zulema from Houston, Tx replies: "Tina, Please be patient with this. I suffered melasma for the first time when going thru some marital issues.... Age 39 at the time... It does get better... It's a constant battle, but I have seen pics of a couple of years ago, and now, and have marked improvements. I have also tried everything topical.. But it comes back... Obagi, chemicals peels, TriLuma, 8% bleaching, etc... I am so ready to try the grapfruit seed extract to see if it works. I used 100 percent sunblock and still have some patches which intensify... I usually have some light orange/red patches now but they used to be so dark and ashy looking.
Please continue to work with this... Do not give up. I used 2-3 coats of foundation and people can't even tell. I am a beautiful woman 42 yrs old, and melasma in my opinion is what is bothering me the most... But I have to put things into perspective. I am taking ACV internally and will start with the Aloe and all the other antioxidants recommended in these blogs."
[BETTER BUT NOT CURED] 08/16/2011: Janet from Washington, Dc replies: "Tina,
I have had melasma all over my face for about 5 years. I have tried all of the expensive topical treatments and peels with only temporary success. I discovered this website back in May and have since tried many of the remedies recommended here. I have also started seeing a Naturopathic Doctor, which has been very helpful (although quite pricey$$). She discovered I have a hormone inbalance and she thinks this is the reason I have the melasma (as well as some pretty bad PMS symptoms). I am taking vitex along with other supplements to correct my hormone inbalance (I am estrogen dominant). I am also taking Vitamin C, MSM, a multi-vitamin, Pycnogenol, Zinc, Copper, Probiotics, Fish Oil, and using ACV topically. I have tried the GSE, horseradish, hydrogen peroxide masks and Kefir, but that didn't do anything for me.
For me the fish oil and probiotics have been key to helping my skin. My melasma has lightened quite a bit, but I think this is also due to shifting my diet. I did a 2 week liver detox and have tried to stay away from sugar, wheat, dairy, red meats, alcohol and caffeine since then. I know that sounds like a lot and no fun, but it has made me feel a whole lot better and I think my skin is getting better. I have been eating mostly veggies, beans, fruits, grains and beans. I am not completely strict on this, and I still like to go out and have pizza and beer on the weekends, but I do notice that my brown spots look darker the next day when I do.
Another thing I have done is to shift my beuty products to all natural ones -ACV, coconut oil and natural makeups and SPF (look up EWG.org to find out if your products have irritating chemicals in them). I recently heard about topical niacinamide (vitamin B3), which is supposed to act much in the same way as Retin A by curing acne, hyperpigmentation, wrinkles, but it is completely natural and is very inexpensive. Just google the natural spray form. I am definitely going to give it a try and I will report on my progress. Good luck to everyone else -this is a difficult battle! (I do have to put things in perspective sometimes and think -things could be a lot worse ;)"
08/26/2011: Tina from Fairfax, Washington Dc replies: "Janet and Zulema thanks for your inputs. I am no longer taking supplements since I got pregnant recently and don't want to harm my baby in any way. Presently I am trying 40% lactic acid peel, I just had two peels and could see some improvement in my melasma. I hope to get some relief after years of suffering. Will keep updating. God bless all you pretty angels out there!"
07/15/2012: Praying4us from Toronto, Ontario replies: "Anyone has a solution for dermal melasma? Feel free to email me."
08/13/2013: Amanpreet Shergill from India replies: "I want to know about what time is the best time to take GSE. As all day we r used to eat something. One has written empty stomach 5 times a day. Plz suggest me when is empty stomach except morning. Need help. Suffering from melasma from last 5 yrs now totally fed up. Plz need help"
Grapefruit Seed Extract, MSM
[BETTER BUT NOT CURED] 06/23/2009: Andrea from Philadelphia, PA: "These postings have been so helpful. I have had melasma for years now and only just learned what it is. I just assumed it was sun damage and that there was nothing I could do about it. It is most noticeable on my upper lip but I also have it above my nose and below my eyes. When I read this information I immediately started on MSM and grapefruit seed extract. I tried to do a before picture but couldn't capture it well so in the first week when I noticed a small clear patch on each side of my upper lip I thought maybe it was my imagination. Now I am 2 1/2 weeks into the process and I have much larger clear patches so I know it is not my imagination. It is by no means gone but it is definitely going away. I was going to wait to post but realized any progress is progress and if my adding that it is working for me could help someone else then that would be a good thing. I take 1000mg of MSM and 250 mg grapefruit seed extract (in pill form) 3 or 4 times a day. So basically with every meal and if I remember I take an extra dose before bedtime. I will check back in. Thank you to everyone who has posted and good luck to everyone just beginning to try!"Replies
06/23/2009: Fernanda from Modesto, Ca replies: "you are using 1000 mg of msm total in a day or 1000 mg of msm 3-4 times daily totaling to 3000-4000 mg of msm please clarify for me as for the grapefruit seed extract i used the liquid for over a month and no results so i'm doing msm and vitamin c 2000 mg currently any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thanks so much"
06/24/2009: Andrea from Philadelphia, PA replies: "I take a total of 3000-4000 mg of MSM per day. I just added vitamin C yesterday (2000-3000 mg per day). I hope you find something that works for you!"
01/15/2011: Jl from Virginia Beach, Va replies: "I started to get melasma on my forehead after using birth control a couple of years ago. I have tried laser treatments, a harsh chemical peel and twice daily Skin lightening Serums/treatment. I also use daily SPF and avoid sun exposure. Nothing has worked thus far. In fact, it seems to be spreading. I am going to Start GSE today and will report back in 2- 4 weeks. I am hopeful, given the comments above!! "
GSE, MSM, Zinc
05/23/2009: alexandra from Blainville, Quebec: "I can't tell you girls how much you've given me hope to finally get rid of these ugly brown spots.I've had it for 10 years now.Started small but now I have it on my forehead,cheeks,chin and upper lip. I tried peels,creams.Nothing seems to help.I truly believe it's a problem from the inside. It obviously got worse after 2 kids. What I don't understand that even if I put on the highest sunscreen it still gets darker. So now I went and purchased GSE,MSM and zinc.
I'm taking GSE 3x a day
Msm 1000mg 3x a day
Zinc 25mg 2x a day
vitamin c 1 x day
If anyone thinks I should take more or less please let know.
Thank you for giving me hope.I think the hardest thing is that it doesn't get better over night (too bad) I look at my face and wonder if it's working.
If anybody has any advice or suggestions please I would love to hear from you"
07/30/2010: Marcia from Uk replies: "I have got the MSM powder, how do you guys actually measure a 1000mg/ 1g of this? I have been taking 3 X MSM (qrtr of a teaspoon, not sure of this is too much or too little), 3 x Vit C, Grapeseed extract, and acidophyllis and also prebiotics, I have also cut any candida/yeast growing ingredients eg, sugar, alcohol, caffeine, and use lemon juice on the spots twice daily and cover up with sun screen 30spf, hope this works. . . Will keep you posted, but please any advice on the quantity of the MSM will be appreciated, thanks."
[YEA] 09/10/2011: Lucia from Mesa, Arizona : "For anyone reading this, I have suffered from melasma for about 4 years now. It all started when I first got pregnant. I've tried the Apple Cider Vinegar which has helped me a lot. I went to an herbal store and bought a tea called Indian tea antibilious. OMG this tea does wonders! I have never seen anything take my melasma away so quickly. Just over night I noticed results. The directions on this says to put 1 tablespoon in 16oz of boiling water, boil for 3 minutes and steep for 15 minutes. Strain and drink a cup one hour before meals. 3 time per day. I really love this tea. Its very bitter but its worth it for the end result. My melasma is very very light and doesnt seem to come back unless I go out in the sun w/out sunscreen."Replies
09/14/2011: Mary from Caracas, Venezuela replies: "Hi Lucia, I would like to know the NAME of the tea or at least the name of the herbs that are included in your mixture. Tea antibilious means only a group of Herbs that help the body to remove excess bile. Thanks"
11/13/2011: Julieanime from Silver Spring, Maryland: "Just found out I have been suffering from a Hyperthyroid... Hmmmmm. I pieced together my Melasma time line with the other symptoms of a Hyperthyroid, zeroing in on a known cause of melasma - increased hormones known to cause and acelerate the condition - it matches the onset of my other Hyperthyroid symptoms. Ladies and gentlemen, just a consideration - this may also be you. Make sure you have a thorough check-up including blood work... melasma that does not go away may very well be associated to a hormone condition caused by a malfunctioning thyroid."