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Table of Contents
- QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
- Apple Cider Vinegar
- Banana Stems
- Chanca Piedra
- Cinnamon, Cloves, Ginger, Apple Juice
- Coconut Oil
- Dietary Changes
- Epsom Salt
- Figs, Turmeric
- Gallbladder Cleanses
- Gallbladder Polyps
- General Feedback
- Gravel Root
- Juice Therapy
- Laser Surgery
- Lemon Water
- Lemon, Digestive Enzymes
- Magnesium Chloride
- Milk Thistle
- Milk Thistle, Dandelion, Magnesium
- Multiple Remedies
- Olive Oil and Lemon Juice
- Olive Oil and Lemon Juice, Dietary Changes
- Olive Oil, Hot Milk
- Olive Oil, Supplements
- Phyllanthus Niruri (Quebra Pedra)
- Produce Bile
- Remedies Needed
- Soluble Fiber
- Spring Water
- Swedish Bitters
- Ted's Remedies
- Yi Dan
Gall Bladder Cleanses for Gallstones
For long-term relief from gall bladder attacks, Hulda Clark’s olive oil and lemon juice liver and gall bladder cleanse seems to be the most effective option. However, it is a somewhat complicated remedy, so please find a reputable online source for the cleanse and follow it closely.
[YEA] 09/09/2006: David from Tampa, FL: "MR SARDI IS WAY OFF BASE. I FIRST HAD AN ULTRA SOUND THAT SHOWED MY GALL BLADDER WAS SO FULL OF STONES THAT THE SMALL ONES HID THE LARGER ONES FROM VIEW. I THEN DID THE OLIVE OIL GRAPEFRUIT JUICE EPSOM SALT FLUSH. I PASSED SO MANY GREEN STONES IT WAS UNABLE TO COUNT. YOU KNOW, THE ONES SARDI CLAIMS ARE NOT STONES. WELL, I THEN HAD A SECOND ULTRA SOUND. ALL THE SMALLER STONES WERE GONE EXPOSING LARGER STONES. I SAVED THE STONES FOR THE DOCTOR. HE SAID THEY WERE A FORM OF STONES AND THEY DID NOT MELT. I DID A SECOND FLUSH AND PASSED SOME WHITE HARDER STONES. ON A THIRD FLUSH, I PASSED A HARD WHITE STONE THE SIZE OF A SMALL WALNUT AMONG OTHERS. I WILL SAY THAT I DO USE SARDI'S PRODUCTS EVEN THOUGH HE IS MISINFORMING THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE FLUSH. I AM LIVING PROOF. PLEASE NOTE, IF YOUR LIFESTYLE AND EATING HABITS DON'T CHANGE,YOU WILL CONTINUE TO PRODUCE STONES."
[YEA] 06/28/2006: Chris from Monroe, GA: "A friend's wife did this cleanse and passed over 200 gallstones. He gave it to his father in law in Orlando and he is 72 years old. He passed a bunch and went to his doctor and his gallbladder was perfectly clear. He had another doctor to examine him with the same results. Me, I am using Apple Cider Vinegar the name is _______ and it is organic. This is suppose to soften the stones and dissolve them down so they will not get caught in the bile or pancreatic duct. If they do it can be fatal. My dad had pancreatitis from a blocked pancreatic duct and bile duct. It was discovered so late that he later chose hospice. A stroke was involved also. He would have been a diabetic because the pancreas formed necrosis, and was cut three times which released enzymes that are digestive and they go to the internal organs and start digesting them. Be careful with gallstones. Some are pea size some are marble and some form together and will not go through the ducts."
[NAY] 04/16/2006: Melva from Red Lake, ON: "I tried the gall stone cleanse and couldn't believe the amount of "stones" and "gravel" I passed. I showed the stones to my doctor and he agreed that they were indeed gallstones. Then he suggested that another ultrasound be done and whoops! All the original stones were still sloshing around in there. So we sent some "stones" to a lab and the report came back - "These are NOT gallstones". So I have concluded that the ingredients of the cleanse form the stones, with the oil stimulating the gallbladder enough to add bile for the greenish coloring"Replies
09/02/2009: Lynn from Calgary, Ab replies: "There are stones in the liver as well, maybe you need to do more clenses to remove all the stones. When the liver is purging stones they end up in the gall bladder and then they have to leave the gall bladder."
09/02/2009: T from Maryland, Usa replies: "My father had his gallbladder removed, but subsequently had incidents requiring hospitalization to remove stones from the bile duct. He has serious heart problems (congestive heart failure, a-fib, majorly blocked arteries) and also takes a ton of meds including blood thinners, which makes things tricky when you need surgical procedures on short notice. Months ago the symptoms began yet again. This time I printed out info on the lemon juice/olive oil flush and he decided to do it. Given his existing health problems I was very guarded, so I kept careful watch, ready to whisk him straight to the hospital if needed. The cleanse went off without incident; he passed some stuff and has not had a symptom since! Did he pass "real" stones? I have no idea. All I know is that he definitely was in the same boat he'd been in several times already and was on course for yet another hospital stay - the flush put a fast and clear stop to it, sparing him another dangerous hospitalization and the painful stomach needles he always has to take for days afterwards to thin the blood back out in a hurry.
That cheap and easy remedy spared him a LOT of pain and trouble and potentially dangerous complications. So say what you will - I know for a fact that IT WORKS. And I (and he) have Earth Clinic to thank, as this is the place I learned about it. This site is so truly a blessing, I could never praise it enough :)"
10/08/2009: Sherry from East Alton, Illinois replies: "I am trying to find out about the one that wrote this review- T from Maryland, about her father. Could you please tell me the lemon juice/olive oil recipe that he used and the instructions please. Thank you, Sherry"
10/09/2009: T from Maryland, Usa replies: "Hi Sherry,
I had collated info for my father on the flush from different sources after reading up - there's different protocols out there but they are pretty similar overall. If I recall correctly, the one he followed was this: He drank a lot of apple juice the day before and day of the flush (it's supposed to help soften stones). On the day of the flush he ate light and healthy foods (no fats), and didn't eat anything after about 1 or 2 pm. About 6 pm he drank Epsom salts in distilled water - you mix up about 2-3 tablespoons in 3 cups of water, and drink half that at 6 pm, and the other half at 8 pm. The Epsom salts are to dilate the ducts for easier passage of stones. Sounds really gross but he said it wasn't as bad to drink as you'd figure. You can add some citrus juice to help if the taste is really that bad for you.
At about 10 pm, he drank 2 ounces of olive oil mixed with 2 ounces of FRESHLY SQUEEZED lemon juice (don't use bottled). You need to mix those 2 together very thoroughly - shaking well in a jar with a lid works well - and drink it all down quickly. Go immediately to bed and stay there, and lay on your right side for awhile. At about 6 am, drink some more Epsom salts in water if you can. A couple of hours later you can start taking in some fruit juice, and awhile after you can start to eat again - eat lightly.
You want to take it easy for a day or two and you'll want to be near a bathroom, so do this on a weekend or whenever you have a couple of days off work. I've read that you can repeat it if necessary, but don't do it a third time without waiting a couple of weeks in between. He only did it the one time and has had no problems since, but if he felt any discomfort he'd do it again. As maintenance, he drinks some apple juice regularly and also sips some fresh lemon juice in water. He now takes milk thistle and dandelion root as well, and has cut down on fatty foods.
I'm no doctor and the usual caveats apply here - ask your own doctor about your health concerns, especially if you're on meds or have pre-existing conditions. My dad has serious ones and this didn't harm him a bit (on the contrary, it kept him out of the hospital!), but everyone is different and you need to learn as best you can what is right for you.
I'll add that some protocols I've read have people taking a lot more of the lemon juice and olive oil, repeatedly over a short time. That protocol seems to have more reports of making people vomit (little wonder!). At no time did my dad feel nauseous on the one he did, which uses much less oil/juice. We figured that if it didn't do the whole trick, he could just repeat it. I'd personally rather do it that way than take so much in at once."
[NAY] 02/01/2006: Mel from Philippines: "According the the research of bill sardi, (www.knowledgeofhealth.com), stones removed after lemon-olive liver flush, are 'soap stones". it is the result of the chemical reaction in the digestive system with the olive oil, lemon and epsom salts. i proved it myself after performing the liver flush procedure. in the ct scan result after the procedure, tiny stones still remain in my gallbladder. the allegedly flush stones, which i kept in a sealed container, melts after 3 days. I now conclude that that the procedure touted to remove gallstones only temporarily eliminate the symptoms attack. it will not cure the the problem. For me, the best cure is to dissolve the stones naturally and change your diet that may cause gallstone to form again."
[YEA] Tara McDonald : "Here is a remedy for removing gall stones. I removed over 150 in one session - a few the size of peas, with the rest being small or tiny. Instead of being hard, the olive oil makes them soft like jello.
I did this cleanse just in case I might have any - my only symptom being that I got small sharp pains on my right side just under my ribs (where the gall bladder is located) whenever I tried to go jogging.Others reported eating and then vomiting and/or feeling like they were going to die - the pain so intense as far up as their heart, that they could not call out for help.
Buy really nice extra virgin olive oil (organic) - it will taste better and give you a better cleanse.
Buy lots of lemons.
If you eat meat regularly, stop eating meat for a few weeks / a month before you start the fast.
If you have access to a natropathic doctor, you may want to consult them regarding this cleanse, especially if you have concerns regarding intestinal parasites - they must be dealt with first.
Go on a liquid fast for 3 days of watered down juice and water, making sure your juice is clear juice for the second and third days.
On the evening of the third day, start taking a tablespoon of olive oil every 15 minutes followed by sucking (not chew) on a wedge of lemon, or having a spoonful of fresh squeezed lemon juice. Do this until you have consumed about 2/3 of a litre of olive oil if you weigh about 125 lbs, or a whole litre if you weigh about 225 lbs ( until you cannot possibly take another spoonful). Go to bed.
When you wake up with an urge to use the washroom, your gall stones will come out by the dozen with liquid. You will want to be close to the bathroom for a few hours. If you have a scientific interest, this will be really cool. Some will be red, most will be varying shades of green - some bright like newly sprouted grass.
Eat light meals after the gall stones have finished coming out.
Maintain a diet that includes raw fruit and veggies, and avoids processed and highly processed foods.
The large gall stones come out last, and you may need to do more than one cleanse to get them all out. In a family rampant with gallbladder removal operations, I got all mine out of my gall bladder in one go, and will instead keep my health and my gall bladder because of this cleanse.
Also, another cleanse designed to alleviate allergies and other health problems claims to remove gall stones and their precursors from the liver with only one day of fasting in a cleanse that uses epsom salts. I do not know anybody who has tried it, but it sounds interesting.
Good health to you!"Replies
[YEA] 12/02/2009: Janis from Renton, Washington replies: "Removing gallstones:
Removing gallstones recipe-
3/4 cup virgin olive oil
1/4 cup pure lemon juice
Here is what you do.
Pick a day that you want to do this cleanse. On this day eat and drink anything up until noon only. Do not eat anything after 12 oclock noon, can drink water only. At bedtime, mix together your olive oil and lemon juice, drink it all down. Go right to bed. Lay on your right side with your right knee bent towards
your chest as high as comfortable.T his procedure will cause your gallbladder to contract and expel your gallstones. Your gallstones will start coming out with your next bowel movement.This has helped my aunt and my step father remove gallstones.This mixture doesn't taste real good but it can and probably will work for you.
My disclaimer is that I am not a doctor and I am not prescribing medicine but only sharing the benefits of healthy foods. I am 60 years old and I have done this cleanse myself. Its easy, inexpensive, quick and simple.
My step father experienced a side effect of diarrhea with this but myself and my aunt did not.The diarrhea could happen but not neccessarily, so just be prepared just in case."
[WARNING!] 12/03/2009: Anonymous from Park City, Usa replies: "I would just like to ad a WARNING. I have read alot about gallbladder cleanses and some insist that you must drink apple juice for a few days before the cleanse and also use epsom salt the day of the cleanse. The reasons for this is the apple juice seems to make the stones soft and mushy and the epsom salt opens up or expands the BILE DUCTS so that the stones don't get stuck.
Research this very GOOD, before making that choice. I don't doubt that you or your family has had sucess doing it your way, but just think everyone should really put alot of thought and planning into doing a gallbladder cleanse. So GOOGLE and research several articles, PLEASE! I wouldn't want someone to be rushed to the emergency room, in pain and a hard stone stuck in their bile duct and have to have an emergency surgery. Again, I do believe you, it's just a personal choice of mine."
09/03/2010: Sacredsoul from Charlottesville, Va replies: "Does anyone know if there is a compound unique to lemon that makes this work, or will lime or orange do just as well? I am allergic to lemons (and hate grapefruit). Any alternatives you know of would be appreciated. Thanks!"
08/27/2011: Plozaique from Nassau, Bahamas replies: "I read somewhere that you can use sour apples or sour grapes."
[YEA] Connie from Chino Hills, CA: "I have done the olive oil-lemon treatment about six times. I found it to be very successful in removing the gall stones. EAch time I did the cleanse my stones got smaller and smaller. I probably have expelled between 300 and 500 stones. Unfortunately for me I still have the pain in the gall bladder area. Is it possible that the gall bladder was so stretched and distended that it is permanently damaged in some way. I know I don't have more stones, but do still get some sludge. A side note: I have used the epsom salts with and without the cleanse and find that it relaxes the musles a bit when the stones are being expelled. Doesn't seem as painful."
09/21/2011: Yesi from Washington, Dc: "I have 2 gallbladder polyps that are 6mm and 3mm in size found during an ultrasound because I was having pain on my right side. Laughing triggered the first pain which went away. The second pain felt when I woke up one morning. I have been on a lowfat diet but all I have read and heard is that only surgery is an option for polyps.
However I have also heard of dissolution therapies and would like to know of other natural remedies if any that have helped anyone or if there are any recommendations. I would really like to avoid the risk and post op complications and future risk of other cancers because of gallbladder removal I have heard about. Any help is appeciated."
08/15/2013: Jotay from Mishawaka, In: "I was diagnosed with gallstones today and told I need to get my gallbladder out. They wanted to schedule me with a surgeon. I said no, I want to wait. I don't have insurance, but mainly I don't want surgery!
I have read so much on here and everyone seems to have horrible pain. I haven't had bad pain. All I really have is a miserable icky feeling in my upper stomach. Like I ate a huge meal and it is just sitting there... Sometime feels rancid. It's truly awful. I dont read on here about anyone else experiencing this. So a part of me is wondering if my symptoms are something else, aside from the stones.
I asked the nurse on the phone the if the stones were big and she called me back after talking to the dr and said he didnt say. Gotta love that. So I have no idea.
I have terrible back pain regularly and don't sleep well on normal nights so the cleanse concerns me because I cant lay still or sleep. So how do I do that. Also what if the stones are big? will I be able to pass them?
So many questions.... Any advice?"Replies
08/16/2013: Ed2010 from Canada replies: "Try the following juice therapy in any fashion.
Drink at least 2 litres of juice daily, combination of un pasteurized apple juice, lemon juice, tamarind juice, Apple cider vinegar with water. Drink 1 chanca piedra tea daily, to break the stone. Gall stone pain will symptom in pain starting from right chest to the back. Also, cramp and pain starting from right shoulder till the forearm. Take rest for the whole week as you will be continuously peeing when you are in juice therapy. This is a very safe therapy and you will not loose any minerals as you are replenished with minerals from apple juice, lemon juice, carrot juice. Good Health"
08/16/2013: Mama To Many from Tennessee, USA replies: "Dear Jotay, I will trust others here to answer your questions about a gall bladder cleanse/flush as I haven't done one. However, I have had severe gall bladder pain and sometimes just the general misery and gnawing feeling in my upper stomach, but it is under control and has been for years. I hope to never need the surgery.
Apple Cider Vinegar helps me a lot. 1 T. in water twice a day.
Figuring out what foods bother you is a help too. Fried foods, fast food, coffee, MSG and dairy bother me and I avoid them.
You could try some comfrey leaf tea to heal your general gut misery.
Also, making sure you are getting plenty of water and/or herbal tea (1l2 gallon a day) is important. If your system isn't moving regularly, be sure to get that under control. Adding Blackstrap Molasses (1-2 T. daily) is a help for that, as is the water and lots of fresh fruit and veggies. Juicing is great if you have a juicer and can afford all the veggies for that. In fact, trying a once a week juice only fast may help a lot to clean our your system in general.
Oh, yes, and a castor oil poultice over the pained area. Look up castor oil poultices on this website. I would have a lot of relief from discomfort in 1/2 an hour usually.
Finally, when I hear you say "rancid feeling in the stomach" I think, "charcoal". 1 t. To 1 T. a day may help in cleaning our your system. (take in 8 oz. of water or you could take 4 charcoal tablets a day, just not witin two hours of medication.)
Hope you find relief soon. Let us know what works for you!
~Mama to Many~"
02/05/2013: Dennis from Indianapolis, Indiana, United States: "Several months ago I had a gall bladder attack. After several days I felt a lot of fluild come out of my gall bladder, this helped the swollen feeling. I had an ulta sound that showed a very small stone in my gall bladder and my right kidney was swollen. I have crawling in my intestines and pain in my kidneys, but not all the time it comes in spells. Also I can't gain any weight and have a general weak feeling. Any help would be great. Thanks and God Bless. Dennis"Replies
02/05/2013: Ed2010 from Oakville, Canada replies: "Try the juice therapy for Gall Stone attack and Gall stone removal - http://earthclinic.com/CURES/gallstones3.html#JUICE
It is safe and healthy. Don't repeat the same juice daily, you should alternate. You can drink apple juice in the morning, lemon juice afternoon after a meal, again evening apple juice.
Also, mix 1 tsp apple cider vinegar in the apple juice for additional benefit.
02/05/2013: Bill from San Fernando, Philippines replies: "One of the easiest and most effective methods for gallstone removal is just to take 1000 mgs of organic chanca piedra capsules(or just drink the tea form) three times a day at mealtimes. CP dissolves the stones by making the calcium in the stones more soluble. Chanca piedra will also get rid of kidney stones in the same manner and has a high reputation for clearing excess calcium problems -- like gallstones and kidney stones -- in the body.
Gallstones aren't really a gall bladder problem at all -- they are a liver problem which primarily occurs due to too much calcium(too much dairy) and too much fats and oils(especially vegetable oils) in the diet. So taking milk thistle, ALA and selenium will also help the liver to cope which will also help you to avoid gallstone problems in the future. Taking a teaspoon of granulated lecithin at mealtimes is also highly beneficial for the liver and for gallstone removal and prevention.
The fact that you can't gain weight could also indicate very poor digestion. Taking Betaine Hydrochloride, protease enzymes and alkalizing with sodium bicarbonate and water should help to improve this problem and help you gain weight as well.
* Take betaine hydrchloride tablets with every meal. This will help to supply the necessary chlorides and will address the root cause of your stomach acid problem.
* Take pancreatic enzymes containing bromelain and papain at every meal. This will aid proper protein digestion in both the stomach and duodenum.
* Take Sea Salt(not refined table salt) -- 1/4 to 1/2 tspn with water once per day -- outside mealtimes. This helps to supply chlorides for proper stomach acid production. It also helps to supply minerls to the body.
* Take Magnesium Chloride -- 1/4 teaspoon once per day -- taken at mealtme. This also helps to supply chlorides for proper stomach digestion. It also helps the liver and aids in killing off pathogens in the intestines. Magnesium will also help dissolve your gallstones.
* Alkalize the intestines using Ted's Sodium Bicarbonate and water remedy. Take this remedy 1/2 hr to 1 hour after every meal. This remedy helps to promote proper alkaline digestion in the upper intestine and also addresses a possible lack of bicarbonates in the pancreatic juices.
*(Optional) Kelp Extract -- regular advised dosage -- Iodine is also necessary to help regenerate stomach acid.
Regarding your intestinal crawling sensations, it's also fairly well known that parasites can hide in amongst gallstones and your crawling sensation in the intestines might be related to this. So best to get yourself checked for parasites as well. The Hulda Clark remedy is a good one to get rid of parasites."
02/06/2013: Carole from Bury Village, West Sussex,, England replies: "How long can one take Chanca Piedra? Is the capsule form better than the tincture? I am currently taking the tincture for dissolving gallstone."
02/07/2013: Bill from San Fernando, La Union, Philippines replies: "Hi Carole... I have used Chanca piedra extensively. It was part of my own candida cure to keep both calcium and sugar levels down in my blood. I have also used chanca piedra for other people and I know how good it is at dissolvong gallstones and kidney stones. It even cures gout. The best form is just an aqueous solution -- the alcoholic extract is not as good as the water extract. I live in the Philippines where Chanca piedra grows everywhere and is a weed and I use it alot as a diuretic cleanser for my body to periodically purge and cleanse the blood. CP is also strongly antiviral -- it can cure Hep B and they are currently researching CP for its beneficial effects against HIV AIDs and cancer. CP is a very powerful herb and yet there is no known overdose limit to this herb -- therefore its very safe.
I took strong doses of CP for a whole year non-stop for my candida problem and it did nothing but good and helped and contributed to my own eventul candida cure.
I made the CP decoction directly from picked herbs but the tea or capsule forms are also good ones to use."
02/07/2013: Carole from Bury Village, West Sussex,, England replies: "Hi Bill.... Thank you for taking the time to reply. I am trying an intensive protocol to try and dissolve the gallstone (lots of help from this froum). It will be interesting if the CP also helps keep under wraps the Candida! I am just about to re-order and so will try the capsule formula and also order some herbs to use as a tea. I am also taking Gold Coin Grass - and I understand from my research that taking both at the same time are ok. GCG (l tablespoon) first thing in the morning and then the CP three times a day (20 drops) with food. I just wonder how long it will take with my 2.8cms stone! ?! I have a scan on the 17th to see if there has been any change. I am interested in the Chinese surgery.... But probably mad to consider that! We shall see..... I enjoy this forum as I am learning a great deal. And I (and my dog) are a huge fan of ACV!
12/08/2012: Carole from Pulborough, West Sussex, England: "Hi again! Has anybody actually dissolved a large clacified gallstone and how? Info given was helpful and interesting - but I cannot find anybody/evidence when a large stone has been dissolved.
Thanks. Surgery really only option I feel as although I have been able to get the pain/discomfort under control through diet/acupuncture, I am finding I cannot exercise without setting off discomfort!"Replies
12/08/2012: Louwrence from Rustenburg, North West, South Africa replies: "Hi Carole, I have with liver flushes expelled gallstones as big as my thumb. For your own sake do not go the medical route, I know people who went that route & they had endless problems & had to have more ops. @ developed brain tumors, if you have a look at the meridiams gallblader & brain tumors are on the same meridiam. Have a look on the net how to do a liverflush, it is cheap & painless & you resolve a lot of other health problems, you probably have a lot of headaches, shoulder pain, pain down the side of your leg. Just do it."
12/09/2012: Carole from Pulborough, West Sussex, England replies: "Thanks for your reply. I am working with a Chinese doctor acupuncturist.... However he says there is nothing can be done! You were very brave.... I have been told not to try a flush! Just wish I could find somebody who had done it - local to me - who could 'hold my hand' as it were.
All the best."
12/09/2012: Policychecker from Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland replies: "Who is telling you it will not work I have been studying naturopathic Medicine for the last Five years and had been studying health for 5 years before that, I Have done it and so has my partner on three occasions. I'm in the uk.
Everyone I have spoken to who had surgery has regretted it, absolutely every single one of them.
I suggest you get a book called the Amazing Gallbladder and Liver Flush by Andreas Moritz (sadly not with us any more but this book is very good on the subject of everything you need to know about Flushes. And you do need to know it all before you start. You can get it on kindle
My Partner was instructed to have immediate surgery less than six months ago, No other option given, she had jaundice and was very ill. We did the flush and when she went for her scan her gallbladder was totally cleared, totally. The chap that did the second scan couldn't believe it, and called for the surgeon who was blank faced. His comment "it must of passed by itself. My comment was why didn't you tell us that was an option or possible he said, as he blushed "it was so rare". I said he was talking B*****'s and we left."
12/09/2012: Louwrence from Rustenburg, North West, South Africa replies: "Hi Carole, do not let people influence you not to do the liver flush, maybe they have hidden agendas, it is cheap, painless and quick, it is not rocket science to do a flush, as Isaid if you operate you are going to have a lot of problems in the future. You can not just remove a very im portant organ that is absolutely essential for digestion & not expect to have complications. 2 people developed brain tumors that I know of, how many more that I do not know of have the same problem. It is your body so you must decide & live with the decision."
12/09/2012: Lisa from Thousand Oaks, Ca, Usa replies: "Hi Carole, Upon reading your post, my first thought was, I find it hard to believe a TCM Dr. would say there was nothing that can be done. Today is Sunday otherwise, I'd go to my TCM Dr. immediately and ask him about this for you! So, instead I decided to do some research and found this for you:
"The Chinese name Jin Qian Cao applies to two different herbs capable of dissolving gallstones (One is actually called Guang Jin Qian Cao). However, both are known as Coin Grass. The most popular of these herbs is the Jin Qian Cao herb (Lysimachia christinae). However Guang Jin Qian cao herb (Desmodium styracifolium) is also very effective. Either one works so well it is hard to say which is best. Many formulas use equal parts of both and this seems to be the most efficient."
You can do a search yourself and there is quite a bit of information that comes up on this. I'd either take this info to your TCM Dr. or find a new one! Chinese medicine can pretty much address anything where the body is out of balance. I hope this info helps. Lisa"
12/10/2012: Carole from Pulborough, West Sussex, England replies: "Hi Lisa, You have been exceptionally kind in doing this on my behalf. Dr Sun has been helping with acupuncture. At my request I started on the Gold Coin Grass tea - however at Sensible Health it was suggested that this was not ideal - it should be the tincture which will help more. I have all my research now and the information you have given too. I see Dr Sun (who really is a lovely man! ) again on Monday and it will very much be.... can you help me any more?
The Liver Cleanse book has also been helpful and I read that again last night and it gives dosage for the GCG and also another herb Chanca Piedra.
I had hoped to find somebody who had actually used the herbs and had a positive outcome.
Thank you for taking the trouble on my behalf - much appreciated. I just feel that I cannot exercise without the back discomfort and so am restricted..... Which is frustrating! xCarole"
12/10/2012: Carole from Pulborough, West Sussex, England replies: "I know! That's why I'm hanging in there trying to find the answers as I do not want the gb removed! I read the Liver Cleanse book again last night and see the thinking behind the GCG and Chanca Piedra pre any liver cleanse.
I also have a wonky thyroid and it flipped hyper - probably as a result of stress following my mother's death. So I have been getting that under control - which it now is and, interestingly, gb surgery could not go ahead until thyroid bloods were within range. So I thought that was a very good 'sign' that I should be looking at what else to do....
I had hoped to work with somebody/therapist - rather than do this on my own..... too high anxiety levels to want to do this on my own, I'm afraid to say.
Thanks for answering - I do appreciate the time you have taken. xCarole"
12/10/2012: Carole from Pulborough, West Sussex, England replies: "Thanks for taking the time to reply. Yes I have the book and read it again last night and looked at the Chanca Piedra and Gold Coin Grass again. I am going to give it a try and see if I can at least dissolve the stone somewhat before a flush. I know I want to keep the gb! xCarole"
12/10/2012: Rawfoodenergy from Eb, East Sussex replies: "I'm in East Sussex and I have done many flushes. They do work and they are safe. You can do a small one and see how you feel. Don't eat any fat for a few days before doing one. There are different liver/kidney/Gallbladder flushes. Andrea Moritz has mostly accurate information."
12/11/2012: Carole from Pulborough, West Sussex,, England replies: "Thank you for posting. I have read the Moritz book again and just putting together all the info and still feel I want to try dissolving the large stone if I can. Just getting fit again after the horrid time of the hyper thyroid issues... when my body seemed to go completely out of balance. I think you have given me good advice and try a mini cleanse first. Carole"
06/24/2012: Theherbwitch from Camden, Sc, Usa: "I used to own 3 herb stores, and I have assisted many, many, people (including myself), in removal of gallstones through diet/herb combinations. Not only is it highly probable that you can be successful doing this, you must also realize that rarely does one remove the stones from more than one bile duct at a time using a cleanse. Therefore, it is necessary (and most people do NOT like this) to REPEAT the cleanse once every other month for a few months, in order to get rid of the stones, then go on an herbal maintenance program to address the cholesterol issues one had to have in the first place for the stones to form. The bile ducts are like "fingers"between the liver and gall bladder. When the stones block this opening, this is when an "attack" occurs. Also, cleaning the colon FIRST is not optional, as you can get very sick if you don't. Ihaveseen many, many people do a cleanse, get rid of a JARFUL of stones, then go back to their old dietary habits and change nothing, then are shocked when they have to have a gall bladder removed, on an emergency basis, because it is diseased and dysfunctional."
05/23/2012: Singapore 87 from Singapore: "HELLO. I'M from singapore. And i've just treid my first liver/gallstone flush. omg what I did was just olive oil, epsom salt and apple juice. I first drink apple juice for the first 1 1/2 day. Then I dida colon cleanse at the same time. I mean way before that I did a cleanse already. I'm so excited to do the cleanse! Omg. It taste nasty! FML.. I didn't follow the timing they set.. I just did my own. Lols. Anyway, yeah. I stop eating at 2pm. Was hungry but just drink one cup of apple juice. And waited. I mixed 4tbsp of epsom and 750ml of apple juice toghether. So 4pm I took first dose. And I went to sleep. At 6pm I took other dose.. And waited till 9. 45pm I took the freaking NASTY Olive oil! (about 180-200ml) I threw away abit. Omg.. I almosted vomited and gagged at the olive oil. It makes my stomach nauses.. :( and I coudn';t sleep because of the olive oil. And I was burping olvie oil smell which I can't stand it. Lols. So yeah I lie down for 20 mins. Den change position. ( no difference for me. Lols. Even though I lie straight on my bed. Lols. But I did feel my gallbladder is what ur so call "opening" my stomach was grumbling, growling. Making alot of noise. After that I slept. Around 5am I had a firm yellow stinky stool (floating).. I thought it was gas. Coz before that my stomach was making alot of noise and alot of movement. Lols. And I went back to sleep. At 9am today (22/5/2012) I drank 3rd dose. I'm having daireeha already. So I was camping in the toilet. Omg. Nasty foul smelling stool. I myself cant' stand the smell too.
At 11am. I drank my last dose.. the last dose makes me [defecate] like mad! and i still can smell my diarrhea smell after so long. :( i think after a fews rounds of diareeha, suddenly there' is really liquid diareeah ( like urinating. from rectcum lols) 2x and i pass out stones! is green pea size. first 2 rounds of that, i pass 10 other i dun know how many. lols. i think the first flush was about 60-80? but first round i saw there's 2 or 3 bigs and the rest like sand type. after 6pm i'm still passing out stones but lesser. but still burning rectum.. like maybe 1 or 2 stones. mostly green/ yellow.. but after 3 or 4pm i start passing out. it makes my rectum burning! almost wanna shout.. i'm so proud of myself. lols. i did not mix grapefruit juice and olive oil together. and still get results. lols. but my ass burns like hell. omg..
but 11. 35pm i'm still having diarrhea. how long will this direaah last? is the direeah or toxic causing the burning or the green or yellow pea size causing the pain? but i supect mine is direeah causing the pain?
coz before i was using pyllisum husk i did not hve any buring retcum but musty urnie. lols. now i dun have musty urine but having direeah odor! omg.. how to get rid of dierrah odor?
my main question: when i was having daieerah i was also passing out some white specks stuff.
1) is how many flush can we do within a month?
2) i'm going to change my apple juice brand to marigold is 100%. is still apple juice right? lols.. the one i buy is $7.90.. so ex.. :( is much cheaper. and is 1 little. maybe i will buy a few packets..
i'm so hungry.. i'm going to eat bread tml. lolls.
anyone knows how to get rid of the anus odor?"
02/25/2012: Sadie from Essex, England: "Hi, I had no idea how bad PPIs are until I read an article in a newspaper about them and hip fractures.
I found this great website a few days ago when I was researching PPIs.
I am in my sixties and have painful shoulders, hips and aching muscles, which have got worse over the last year. All of which I have now found can be down to PPIs. Thiis is the only drug I have ever taken.
I have taken them on and off for several years after my husband was found to have heli. pylori so they gave me the combination of drugs as well even though I hadn't been tested! I never had heartburn until then, but my doctor gave them to me again two years ago when I kept getting a very tender stomachache.
I had some investigations and was found to have a small Hiatus Hernia and gallstones.
I stopped taking PPIs last week with the help of aloe, slippery elm and coconut milk ( is coconut milk bad for stones?)
My question is:- can I take ACV and digestive enzymes instead, or as well, or all of them? Also what about milk thistle or vitamins as the PPIs stop your body absorbing them? Also are they all safe to take with gallstones?
Best regards, Sadie"
01/18/2012: Ray from Calhan, Co: "I think I've read about 40 websites related to remedies for gallstones. I don't want to have my gallbladder out, but there doesn't seem to be any general consensus as to 2 or three popular methods that don't turn into prolonged drudgery. Everyone seems to have their own idea or method. This isn't helpful, it's just confusing.
Isn't there some way to vote on the best way ? OMG. I've spent so much time on the internet that I've actually become constipated. Thinking about buying a big bottle of Everclear and drinking the whole blasted thing."Replies
01/19/2012: Mike from Montreal, Quebec Canada replies: "Maybe a gallbladder cleanse might keep the liver clean from excess cholesterol but is it not simpler to use a natural emulsifier such as choline instead?
By ingesting adequate amount of choline surely is much better for the body than having to go through the ordeal of doing a complete gallbladder cleanse which can take up several days to complete.
What if you are very old and already in poor health? The gallbladder cleanse could further damage the body due to excessive amount of stress imposed on it.
A gallbladder cleanse may be like washing a very dirty and greasy floor with just plain cold water compared with using a strong detergent that would cut through grease very easily.
I rather stick to making sure that my body has sufficient amount of choline so that the excess cholesterol in my body which is the source of gallstone in the first place be dissolved naturally.
By the way I have tried this gallbladder cleanse that everybody talks about on the net and in my opinion is a rather very exhaustive approach to cleaning your gallbladder which I did not find particularly very pleasant.
Those who favor a gallbladder cleanse should at least try consuming choline as an alternative liver cleanser. Just my opinion. Mike"
01/19/2012: Timh from Louisville, Ky, Usa replies: "Ray, all the treatments you've read probably work quite well, although some better than others. I was once in bad shape and happened a chiropractor diagnoses me using kenesthesiology. I did a 3 day fast drinking 1/2 bottle Mag Citrate one day and 1/2 the next while living on apple juice. The night before my 3 day I drank the olive oil/grapefruit juice stimulator, lay on bed for a few minutes and pressed my right leg over my gallbladder. I woke about midmorning for a few minutes feeling "lighter" than normal, went back to sleep and woke in the early morning, felt the need to potty and let go a bowl full of green cholesterol gallstones; and all day feeling like someone had lifted a boulder off of me.
At the time of my first cleanse I managed to work at least one of the days and maybe 2 despite having go to the bathroom often. The diet I did was simple and straghtforward and worked perfectly. You just have to brave thru it and once it's over you'll not regret.
Just do a cleanse you're comfortable with and post your results."
01/19/2012: Mike from Montreal, Quebec replies: "If this can help you decide, I did happen to find just the perfect remedy for treating my own gallbladder attacks. I have personally tried it and to my surprise got IMMEDIATE RELIEF from it.
My remedy would apply to only specific cases that may not correspond to yours. I have tried up to more than 7 different remedies and only the last one I tried worked like a charm! So don't give up and just keep trying as this might end up saving your own gallbladder. I think it would be well worth the time and effort involved.
Finish keeping you in suspense as I will now explain what remedy I used and the whole theory behind it after having done a lot of reading over the internet.
The remedy in question is "granulated soy lecithin".
The reason it cured my problem totally is because this remedy contains in very large amount a substance called "choline".
This nutrient is probably the most critical nutrient for the human body especially for the liver which as you know can become the main culprit for gallstone and gallbladder attacks.
In the past, I was the type of person who would consume a great deal of fat. Just to give you an example, I would consume a whole chicken and its fat content all in one meal at least once every two months. Also I would go crazy on eggs and would consume up to 6 eggs in one meal. Over time this caused a very painful gallbladder attack to occur- so painful in fact that I experienced fever, jaundice and white stool. My liver enzymes went right through the roof.
I will never forget the time when my doctor asked me if I was an alcoholic when he saw my liver enzyme test results. I ONLY DRINK AROUND 5 GLASSES OF WINE A YEAR AND DON'T SMOKE!!!!!
After several more attacks but not as painful as my first two, it finally took me 3 years to figure out how to cure this problem once and for all.
You see, the choline in Lecithin can emulsify cholesterol inside the liver. Insufficient amount of choline in the body has shown to be the major cause of a fatty liver which in the end can lead to liver cancer.
The main problem is that choline is abundant only in very limited food. The highest amount found in eggs and liver. The problem is that you would have to consume a total of 4 eggs to reach the minimum daily requirements of choline for adult males which is only about 350mg. You would also have to eat a good portion of liver everyday for the rest of your life.
It so happens that ever since my very first major gallbladder attack I decided to totally stop consuming eggs and restrict the amount of red meat that would also include liver as well. Instead, I decided to consume large amount of fresh fruits and vegetables which unfortunately could not meet the minimum choline requirements that my liver needed in order to process cholesterol in a correct manner.
The results is that my liver had so much buildup of cholesterol inside it and consequently partially blocked the production of bile which kept my gallbladder always low on bile reserve. Any consumption of fat would make matter even worse since it would empty the gallbladder further. This would explain why people experience gallbladder attacks mainly after a fatty meal.
When a gallbladder does not contain sufficient bile then this invites bacteria to attack the tissues which is mainly responsible for the pain we experience during an attack. Similar in principle to the pain experienced during a tooth ache.
Based on having consumed granulated soy lecithin which contains as much choline in one tablespoon as found in 4 eggs, it almost instantaneously stopped my most recent attack. Prior to this attack, I noticed that I had mild diarrhea everyday for two entire weeks.
After the attack because of having consumed choline, I was shocked to discover that the next day my stool became back to its normal consistency again. I could only have concluded that my sick liver was entirely responsible for this diarrhea over such a prolong period of time.
My gallbladder problem now completely solved!!!
I consume 4 tablespoons of granulated soy lecithin everyday and notice that I have more energy than before and absolutely no pain anywhere over my entire digestive system!
I suspect that my persistent diarrhea and also the various dizzy spells I was experiencing during that time was a clear sign that my liver was starting to fail big times!! So I think I may have saved it on time along with my gallbladder.
Just to further reinforce that the granulated soy lecithin did stop my gallbladder attack is that during the attack, I felt like a hard and sharp object was always constantly pushing against my gallbladder. After consuming the granulated soy lecithin I felt as if this object had disappeared completely in less than 5 minutes and had a sensation of just low grade inflammation that was not painful at all.
This object I am referring to might either have been gas from bacterias attacking my gallbladder tissues or the lack of bile fluid inside the gallbladder that caused my gallstones to rub against the gallbladder nerve region. The consumption of granulated soy lecithin must have dissolve some cholesterol inside my liver thereby releasing large quantity of bile fluid into the gallbladder enough to have given me instead relief from the pain.
What really gets me is that choline being one of most important substance for the liver is not that readily available in sufficient quantity in most food.
I believe this might explain why so many people suffer from gallstones and serious liver diseases. In fact, according to many experts, lack of choline over a very long period of time has shown to potentially lead to a fatty liver and eventually cancer. You just have to do your own research on the internet and you will be amazed just how critical is lecithin for proper liver function. Did you know that bile is made up of lecithin ?
Well, that is my story and thank god I saved my liver from further disaster just because I decided to try every remedy against gallbladder attacks I could find on the net.
I could never figure out why eating a mainly raw fruits and vegetable diet would lead to very soft stool and occasionally diarrhea. Why every time I would eat at a Chinese Buffet, I never get diarrhea as I would experience with eating raw fruits and vegetables. Now the answer is quite simple to me, Chinese food contain a lot of soya and red meat which would have the effect of increasing the level of choline in my body. Mystery now completely resolved!!!!!
Keep in mind that Lecithin is absolutely necessary for regulating the amount of bad cholesterol in the liver and if your diet does not contain enough of it, you are likely to experience gallstones that could eventually lead to serious liver disease in the long term.
This explains very clearly why so many have complained about their gallbladder attacks always reoccurring even after their gallbladder have been removed. The answer is that the liver continues to get fatter and thus constantly produces unhealthy bile for the body. Those sufferers in that same position should give lecithin a try and might immediately notice the same results as those who have had their gallbladder removed but never experience any more attacks.
As a rule of thumb when you try a remedy, if it does not bring about relief in 12 hours or less then you move on to another.
There is certainly no lack of remedies on this website to experiment with.
Before having discovered the effect of Lecithin on my gallbladder, I tried ACV, raw apples, pure olive oil, beet juice, raw beets, turmeric, ginger, yogurt, almonds, lettuce and even HCL Betaine. None of these gave me immediate relief as with consuming just a few tablespoon of granulated soy lecithin.
Could a long term Choline deficiency in the body be responsible for the vast majority of liver and gallbladder disease ? Perhaps the natural health community has totally missed the important healing power of this product on the liver. Well worth investigating this theory for the future ...
01/19/2012: Joni from Cleveland, Ohio replies: ""The Liver and Gallbladder Miracle Cleanse: An All-Natural, At-Home Flush to Purify and Rejuvenate Your Body" by Andreas Moritz. Follow the directions to the letter. The book is available on Amazon. Read the reviews. Also check out this youtube of a young woman who did that gallbladder cleanse after being told she needed surgery. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbrNbGl1-vA"
01/20/2012: Timh from Louisville, Ky, Usa replies: "Mike, I echo your opinion as the procedure is a stress and exhaustive; but if one has GB trouble and has never done the cleanse, I would recommend it. After my acute phase of GB and Liver trouble, I have faded to 1 day mini, and eventually dropped the cleanse in favor of easier methods.
And may I suggest a Dr. Murry prescription for gallstones other than the flush ---therapeutic oils like Menthol and Peppermint by mouth. I have only gone so far as using Menthol cough drops 12 per day for three days with noticeable results. I can actually hear & feel the "flow" of bile in my abdomen during this treatment. Peppermint Oil Extract Softgels are supposed to be the preferred method for dissolution. I actually did an experiment after I captured stones from a flush and poured some menthol mouth wash (also some alcohol in there maybe affecting the outcome) in the gallstone containing jar and they literally melted before my eyes.
Now I am holding good w/ Soy & Sun Lecithin and extra Choline/Inositol, as Mike suggests."
01/20/2012: Timh from Louisville, Ky, Usa replies: "And to also mention the fact that Choline or the natural form --Lecithin is VERY important for the nervous system and Brain health (helping to curb the bad amyloid plaques). Also Choline acts similar to Methionine in detoxification reactions. My first toxic liver episode got resolved (even during drinking beer regularly) by taking up to 6 Soy Lecithin Softgels daily. This might help explain Mike's rapid negative symptom removal. Now Foods make the "Triple Strength Lecithin" which would be very beneficial."
01/20/2012: Mike from Montreal, Quebec replies: "I am not sure whether it is a good thing to consume too much Choline.
It's better not to go much beyond the minimum recommended dose of 350mg and let nature takes its course through the slow healing process.
I consume no more than 4 tablespoons of granulated soy lecithin a day and already I feel the difference especially when I get up in the morning. My head is so clear and I have a lot of energy. I guess a sick liver can place quite a burden on the human body."
01/21/2012: Robyn from Melbourne, Australia replies: "I got some choline vials and had the doc inject me as my absorption is so bad. Yes it helped with the pain. Perhaps I should get some more."
01/22/2012: Timh from Louisville, Ky, Usa replies: "Robyn, Dandelion Root taken as tea is supposed to be very good for cholestasis as it is high in Choline. It also is good for the digestive as it is high in natural Beta Carotene."
03/13/2012: Laura from Turtletown, Tn replies: "Hi Mike, your post was very eye opening, I am curious as to the dosage you would recommend for the HCL Betaine. I have acid reflux, along with the gallbladder and liver elevated readings, will be getting the soy lechitin, peppermint oil supplements, the HCL Betaine and just started today with Chanca Piedra. Not really wanting to do the flush, but I know the stones are present from a ultra sound two years ago, and pain under my ribcage, right side, that follows most meals I eat. Any clarification on doses would help a lot, and thanks sooooo very much for the alternative route."
12/06/2011: Mike from Montreal, Quebec: "Hi Robert,
Yes and no. I did go to through the process of removing the stones using olive oil with lemon juice but I realized how so misleading this can be.
That is because some people would be led to believe that gallbladder stone is a normal occurrence and it happens to everyone. Just like using a pill to cure an ailment, they think that the process of removing the stones must be applied on a regular basis while at the same time continue to poison their liver which by the way is the main source of gallstones as a result of poor eating habits.
Gallstones are a definite sign of a liver disease and the solution is not to constantly flush the reoccurring stones but rather cure the liver so that it will never produce any more stones. The only way to cure a sick liver is to feed it with healthy food. That is why some people continue to pass stones even after their gallbladder has been removed.
Use common sense and just eat plenty of healthy food in the form of fresh raw fruits and vegetables, plenty of whole grains, nuts, only fish or chicken and the list goes on.
Healthy food will thin out your bile and eventually help release you gallstone over time as long as they are not too large to begin with.
Also you may need to determine if your gallstones were produce as a result of very low stomach acid production which can cause a liver to become diseased in the long run. That was my problem and so I had to consume large amount of HCL Betaine for a while.
There are very important reasons to consume large amount of vegetables. (1) remove excess cholesterol in the body (2) maintains high PH level so critical for overall health.